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General Discussion  » This pretty much sums up why ffa pvp mmo's fail.

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  Hrimnir

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12/05/12 5:22:26 PM#61
Originally posted by Azoth
So UO was not a success ?

Not until it changed a crap ton of its "harder core" pvp rules.  Even then it only garnered at its height about 60% of where EQ1 got.

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  Southpaw.Gamer

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12/05/12 5:25:02 PM#62
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by Azoth
So UO was not a success ?

Not until it changed a crap ton of its "harder core" pvp rules.  Even then it only garnered at its height about 60% of where EQ1 got.

Just because another "easier" game has more players than another doesn't mean its a better game.  Just as just because EQ1 had more players doesn't mean UO failed in the marketplace.  

 

People have different tastes in their games... if you don't like what Darkfall has to offer go to one of the other 50+ themepark games out on the market right now.

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  Kyleran

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12/05/12 5:29:36 PM#63
Originally posted by Axehandle
Rule #1 Cardio

I prefer Rule # 1 (Double Tap)

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  Hrimnir

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12/05/12 5:34:32 PM#64
Originally posted by stragen001

The reason FFA full loot PvP games fail is the players pure and simple.

The people that play these games do so because they want to behave like douchebags and the ruleset allows them to behave like douchebags, which for some reason they get a perverse kick out of. 

 

This then turns everyone else off of the game, you are just left with a small core of douchebags being douches to each other, this is not attractive to new players, game fails.

Ding ding ding ding ding^

Why do you guys think EVE's growth has been so insanely slow.  Its not friendly to new players, and you have to have a certain mentality to participate in the game's "main" feature, which is basically low or nullsec PVP battles.

Any time you have a full loots, FFA PVP game, you invariably get some griefer douchebag who spawn camps carebear n00bs, or you get some roaving pack of imbeciles who beat their chests and think they're super fuck awesome because they can 8v5 a group of new players.

The only people who like FFA PVP games are people who don't like fair fights, which are cowards, at least as far as a game is concerned.  IN real life its a diff ballgame, take every advantage you can get.  But then, we don't play video games to be like real life.

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  Thoric485

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12/05/12 5:53:52 PM#65
Originally posted by Hrimnir
  Ding ding ding ding ding^

Why do you guys think EVE's growth has been so insanely slow.  Its not friendly to new players, and you have to have a certain mentality to participate in the game's "main" feature, which is basically low or nullsec PVP battles.

Any time you have a full loots, FFA PVP game, you invariably get some griefer douchebag who spawn camps carebear n00bs, or you get some roaving pack of imbeciles who beat their chests and think they're super fuck awesome because they can 8v5 a group of new players.

The only people who like FFA PVP games are people who don't like fair fights, which are cowards, at least as far as a game is concerned.  IN real life its a diff ballgame, take every advantage you can get.  But then, we don't play video games to be like real life.

 

And yet it marks consistent growth every year. Is there any other MMO on the market right now that can boast with that?  Most theme parks start with 500k-1mil pre-orders and then tumble down to 100k or freemium in a year. Hell, even WoW is past its 12mil heyday.

 

If accessibility and player safety is all it's about, why doesn't any theme park grow like EVE?

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  JCBN

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12/05/12 5:54:14 PM#66

I loved Ultima Online before trammel... and i did not like Ultima Online that much after trammel.

I loved Shadowbane... keep tracking sir!

But... i actually loved DAoC the most... and i would still play it, if it was popular... but alas, it is for some reason not. :(

By far the best PvP/RvR i have had in any game... good old frontiers... going out there was just frightening, and super rewarding fun when you did NOT get whacked by some evil Archer named Blood!

So... i like full loot/half full loot mmorpgs.... but i actually like DAoC's system even more. Nice safe PvE realm, but with lots of nice interesting goodies outside in the PvP frontiers.

  ellobo29

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12/05/12 11:04:18 PM#67
Originally posted by Siveria

So in case your wondering why I say Darkfall: uw will be dead after 3 months, its because of the rules below and the fact that its been proven that in todays mmo market ffa full loot pvp games just do not survive anymore sadly, Now you might argue about Eve Online, but that game was near death till Plex came out and people could play for free on someone else's dollar.

Read the general mmorpg rules below. Especally number 3, because this is where games like mortal online and darkfall failed. Also before you say I dislike pvp, i don't, I don't mind if its forced, what I do dislike is the full loot aspect of it, well that and the fact max lv chars can pick on lowbie/newbies and get away with it.. usually, there are sometimes other players who will take time out of their day to protect said lowbies. Take the full loot away from darkfall UW and i'd defentally play. Don't mind so much about picking on lowbies, its not something I do and i feel people that do that are cowards who can't handle a real/even fight.

Here are the rules below, and for the most part they are true. Number 3 is one of the major reasons why games like MO, DF etc fail. That and what I mentioned earlier.

Rule#1 - MMORPGs are PVE games with PVP elements, not the other way around.
Rule#2 - Any MMO that forces PVP fails.
Rule#3 - Enticing PVEers to PVP is different than forcing them to. NO scenario/idea that forces it has succeeded.
Rule#4 - The same as Rule#3 can be applied to RP - you cannot force it.
Rule#5 - Before you get lippy, remember Rule#1.

This post is weird.... Its weird because i actually enjoyed DF and didnt see it as a fail. And if i liked it there must be a group of people that would like it too....

And if we can get enough of those type of people playing it then.... see where im going with this?

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