Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I played DF for a little over a year. While it was decent PvP the rest of the game really wasn't that great. I mean it kept my attention for over a year with just PvP alone, but that even got stagnant after a while.

So my question is about this hype. What the hell is this game getting so much hype for? Its the same game "re-made" which tells me its gonna be the same PoS it was before aside from PvP. Am I gonna play it? Yes, but I doubt I will stick around long if it sucks as much as DF did.

for starts the origional was an awesoem game and i spent many years playing it..

Also this is a new game they have changes a lot in the game not just the graphics.. but yeah if you didnt like DF then you probally wont liek DF:UW..

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I played DF for a little over a year. While it was decent PvP the rest of the game really wasn't that great. I mean it kept my attention for over a year with just PvP alone, but that even got stagnant after a while.

So my question is about this hype. What the hell is this game getting so much hype for? Its the same game "re-made" which tells me its gonna be the same PoS it was before aside from PvP. Am I gonna play it? Yes, but I doubt I will stick around long if it sucks as much as DF did.

for starts the origional was an awesoem game and i spent many years playing it..

Also this is a new game they have changes a lot in the game not just the graphics.. but yeah if you didnt like DF then you probally wont liek DF:UW..

He stuck with it a year before, so nothing to say he wouldnt get another out of it really.

With his apparently stinking attitude towards the game though in general, who knows?

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Originally posted by Serignuad

AV is rereleasing their game that they have rewritten from scratch

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I highly doubt DFUW comes anyway near to "rewritten from scratch" but if so, Aventurine must be the dumbest developer in history to re-release exactly same title. Because let"s be honest, if you did not like DF, you won't like DFUW either.

But hey, they call it features...

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Serignuad

 

AV is rereleasing their game that they have rewritten from scratch

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I highly doubt DFUW comes anyway near to "rewritten from scratch" but if so, Aventurine must be the dumbest developer in history to re-release exactly same title. Because let"s be honest, if you did not like DF, you won't like DFUW either.

But hey, they call it features...

Except they are resolving the core issues and there is a clear interest in the games concept.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm a big PvP'er, I have many games on my desktop that I just play for PvP alone. DF was one of them. I'm not saying I played it all the time for a year, but I did have it installed for a year.

I just don't get the hype being so high for this game. DF didn't have that much hype. Just very shocked that this game outhypes every other new game coming. I just don't understand where it's all coming from. What is getting peoples attention this time around?

full loot sandbox, there is no other like it. great game with a great set of features. PvP really isnt the only thing that keeps it going. Try joining a clan

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm a big PvP'er, I have many games on my desktop that I just play for PvP alone. DF was one of them. I'm not saying I played it all the time for a year, but I did have it installed for a year.

I just don't get the hype being so high for this game. DF didn't have that much hype. Just very shocked that this game outhypes every other new game coming. I just don't understand where it's all coming from. What is getting peoples attention this time around?

Have you seen the design/quality of recent MMO's delivered to us for the past 8 years or so?  People are just so very tired of playing the "same ole thing" they're desperate to try anything else, in the hopes of a new/more interesting experience.

I'm a great example, I suck at PVP, dislike full loot PVP yet I'll be playing DF:UW because even with those two issues I mentioned it still might provide more entertainment than I got from 3 other titles in the past year.

Good enough for me.......

Let's state this right - HARDCORE PvP'ers (gankmeisters) are tired of the same ol'/ WHy? because games recently try to balance PvE and PvP rather than just PvP.  Played the original DF and it was such a poorly thoughtout and designed game that nothing but totally redoing the game could fix.  I doubt they spent the time on that.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
 

Let's state this right - HARDCORE PvP'ers (gankmeisters) are tired of the same ol'/ WHy? because games recently try to balance PvE and PvP rather than just PvP.  Played the original DF and it was such a poorly thoughtout and designed game that nothing but totally redoing the game could fix.  I doubt they spent the time on that.

Those people bored of the current "same ol'", well they come from a cross spectrum of play styles. As do the people quite happy with the current mainstream games.

The people interested in the DF concept, well no they are not all "gankmeisters".

People are clearly interested in the concept and are clearly interested in the mechanical changes being made. Whether the product actually manages to meet expectations is another matter.

If they plan to aim for the general gaming audience and not just the niche, they will really need to do two things:

* crack down early on cheaters

Nothing kills a competitive game more than the perception it is overrun with hackers, exploiters and cheaters.  Like it or not, DF got a reputation as a game that didn't police itself.

* start modding their game forums better  

A lot of people when they start a new game go to the forums for first questions.  And that is where first impressions are often made of the game community they are about to join.

The old DF forums were a cesspool.  I am sure it was a minority of the players, but they ran rampant and made it their playpen with all sorts of profanity, slurs and nonsense.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm a big PvP'er, I have many games on my desktop that I just play for PvP alone. DF was one of them. I'm not saying I played it all the time for a year, but I did have it installed for a year.

I just don't get the hype being so high for this game. DF didn't have that much hype. Just very shocked that this game outhypes every other new game coming. I just don't understand where it's all coming from. What is getting peoples attention this time around?

Have you seen the design/quality of recent MMO's delivered to us for the past 8 years or so?  People are just so very tired of playing the "same ole thing" they're desperate to try anything else, in the hopes of a new/more interesting experience.

I'm a great example, I suck at PVP, dislike full loot PVP yet I'll be playing DF:UW because even with those two issues I mentioned it still might provide more entertainment than I got from 3 other titles in the past year.

Good enough for me.......

Let's state this right - HARDCORE PvP'ers (gankmeisters) are tired of the same ol'/ WHy? because games recently try to balance PvE and PvP rather than just PvP.  Played the original DF and it was such a poorly thoughtout and designed game that nothing but totally redoing the game could fix.  I doubt they spent the time on that.

they did  redo the game

It is at best an expansion.

They aren't selling it again to people who bought Darkfall.  So it is an expansion not a seperate game.

They are, however, marketing it as a new game for purchase to people who have never played Darkfall.  This is misleading.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

It is at best an expansion.

They aren't selling it again to people who bought Darkfall.  So it is an expansion not a seperate game.

They are, however, marketing it as a new game for purchase to people who have never played Darkfall.  This is misleading.

Will people from Darkfall be able to carry over their toons to UW? No.

Do people need the original to play UW without losing any other content? No.

Will everyone start on an even playfield on launch day? Yes.

I never played Darkfall and consider it a new game, it looks, acts, sounds different. Nothing misleading about it.

They did a very brave thing taking their game offline to put some hard work into it. I applaud them for it.

The videos they have made make the game seem to look much better aswell and more appealing to a wider audience.

And yes imo it is a relaunch as the guy up says... full character wipe.

Originally posted by D_TOX

Originally posted by kadepsyson

It is at best an expansion.

They aren't selling it again to people who bought Darkfall.  So it is an expansion not a seperate game.

They are, however, marketing it as a new game for purchase to people who have never played Darkfall.  This is misleading.

Will people from Darkfall be able to carry over their toons to UW? No.

Do people need the original to play UW without losing any other content? No.

Will everyone start on an even playfield on launch day? Yes.

I never played Darkfall and consider it a new game, it looks, acts, sounds different. Nothing misleading about it.

I'm reminded of a few other games that had a relaunch.  You know the whole wipe the characters, change the name, fix bugs, start fresh kind.  They were the same game really, and their failed attempt at financial success didn't lead to dev riches through the magic of a do-over.

Maybe some form of Darkfall will break the trend though.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Originally posted by D_TOX

Originally posted by kadepsyson

It is at best an expansion.

They aren't selling it again to people who bought Darkfall.  So it is an expansion not a seperate game.

They are, however, marketing it as a new game for purchase to people who have never played Darkfall.  This is misleading.

Will people from Darkfall be able to carry over their toons to UW? No.

Do people need the original to play UW without losing any other content? No.

Will everyone start on an even playfield on launch day? Yes.

I never played Darkfall and consider it a new game, it looks, acts, sounds different. Nothing misleading about it.

I'm reminded of a few other games that had a relaunch.  You know the whole wipe the characters, change the name, fix bugs, start fresh kind.  They were the same game really, and their failed attempt at financial success didn't lead to dev riches through the magic of a do-over.

Maybe some form of Darkfall will break the trend though.

Thats the thing though they arent doing this for magical riches it was a niche game anyway and the company seem to be surviving nice enough. Infact tasos went against what the whole market seems to be running towards in his interview IE instancing.

Let me ask this.

If the developers needed to fix bugs, required character wipes, added a few features, and wanted a name change... do they need to call it a new game to do this?

Or could they just do that and call it a relaunch?

Is it just marketing?

In any event, based on the hype surrounding this... thing that's coming soon, I'd say their marketing team is the most competent part of the studio.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

Let me ask this.

If the developers needed to fix bugs, required character wipes, added a few features, and wanted a name change... do they need to call it a new game to do this?

Or could they just do that and call it a relaunch?

Is it just marketing?

In any event, based on the hype surrounding this... thing that's coming soon, I'd say their marketing team is the most competent part of the studio.

Excuse me if you think I am wrong but I have yet to come across a piece of marketing hype for DF.  At best what I have done is talk to a friend who used to play the game and is about to again, I didnt even know it was relaunching next week.  Yes I watched Taso's interview as well but there was more content in what he was saying than any of the interviews leading up to the launch of planetside 2.

One last thing.

If I were making a new game, I wouldn't start making my game by looking at a different game and deciding to fix that other games bugs.

I'd make a new game instead.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

It is at best an expansion.

They aren't selling it again to people who bought Darkfall.  So it is an expansion not a seperate game.

They are, however, marketing it as a new game for purchase to people who have never played Darkfall.  This is misleading.

It's not really.

Square Enix are doing the same thing for FF:ARR (FFXIV 2.0). Because FFXIV 1.0 turned out to be quite disappointing, players who had already bought the game won't have to buy the new game (FF:ARR remade entirely from scratch using a new engine). It's a way to "apologize" to the players that purchased the game and ended up being badly disappointed, as well as to invite them to give the game another shot. It's still a completely new game that will be sold to future customers, but selling it to the people who supported them initially from the box sales as well as the subscriptions would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

Originally posted by kadepsyson

One last thing.

If I were making a new game, I wouldn't start making my game by looking at a different game and deciding to fix that other games bugs.

I'd make a new game instead.

You would if you were making a sequel. Derp.

Virtually every aspect of the game has been changed. No expansion does that.