Originally posted by Devvholic
How long do you expect this game to last for? Does it have a bright future or will it die in the next year?

Will probably keep it going for as lng as possible to recoup as much of the losses sustained as they can.

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by Xirik

Since its the second largest Sub based MMO probably a very long time. Meridian is still alive so is EQ. I really don't understand how people think Swtor is going to die.  They aren't bleeding out subs anymore and are stable around 500k-750k subs.  They found a base that likes this game.

just because its not the game you wanted it to be doesn't mean it should die. Thats a VERY childlike mindset.

 

Since 500-799k would be well above their quoted 300-500k required they wouldn't have need to go f2p.  Before going f2p torstatus had roughly the same server stats as rift probably putting it much closer to 100k.  Only question really is wether or not they were below their operating costs before or after the 6 month bundles ended.

I don't think this statement is correct.  I looked lately at rift population on servers and there are only 3 servers in US and 3 in EU that have decent population after SoL was launched.  SWTOR before F2P had heavy or very heavy on most of servers with exception of  PvP servers and Oceanic.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Worfi

Originally posted by Jonoku
Playing SWTOR F2P version is almost unplayable even casually playing it......

This is maybe truth but look at that this way: You pay 15$, you get unlimited access for 1 month, cartel points and prefered status. IMHO that is a lot of solid game content for that price. Read GW 2 forums. The biggest argument for GW2 was - "I don't play it annymore but it was worth 60$" (i actually never get that point because you get free month with every sub MMO too and most people played GW2 less than that). 

At the end you get to try the game for free and if you don't like it don't play it. If you like it you'll get game without box price.

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR.

The latter is a much better deal. 

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR or infinite play time of STO and $60 still in the bank

The latter is a much better deal

But, you see, SW > ST.

Look at WAR....That game is so dead I dont even know why Its still around. Its like kcking a dead horse.

SWTOR will be around for years.

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by Devvholic
How long do you expect this game to last for? Does it have a bright future or will it die in the next year?

Will probably keep it going for as lng as possible to recoup as much of the losses sustained as they can.

Not if the losses keep escalating due to not enough subs and not enough shop spending. i do not see how they will make a profit if they can not get their 500K subs

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by Devvholic
How long do you expect this game to last for? Does it have a bright future or will it die in the next year?

Will probably keep it going for as lng as possible to recoup as much of the losses sustained as they can.

Not if the losses keep escalating due to not enough subs and not enough shop spending. i do not see how they will make a profit if they can not get their 500K subs

It's a long term investment at this point.  I don't see them just shutting down this game.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Worfi

Originally posted by Jonoku
Playing SWTOR F2P version is almost unplayable even casually playing it......

This is maybe truth but look at that this way: You pay 15$, you get unlimited access for 1 month, cartel points and prefered status. IMHO that is a lot of solid game content for that price. Read GW 2 forums. The biggest argument for GW2 was - "I don't play it annymore but it was worth 60$" (i actually never get that point because you get free month with every sub MMO too and most people played GW2 less than that). 

At the end you get to try the game for free and if you don't like it don't play it. If you like it you'll get game without box price.

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR.

The latter is a much better deal. 

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR or infinite play time of STO and $60 still in the bank

The latter is a much better deal

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Worfi

Originally posted by Jonoku
Playing SWTOR F2P version is almost unplayable even casually playing it......

This is maybe truth but look at that this way: You pay 15$, you get unlimited access for 1 month, cartel points and prefered status. IMHO that is a lot of solid game content for that price. Read GW 2 forums. The biggest argument for GW2 was - "I don't play it annymore but it was worth 60$" (i actually never get that point because you get free month with every sub MMO too and most people played GW2 less than that). 

At the end you get to try the game for free and if you don't like it don't play it. If you like it you'll get game without box price.

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR.

The latter is a much better deal. 

$60 = GW2 or four months sub of TOR or infinite play time of STO and $60 still in the bank

The latter is a much better deal

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

I haven't tried STO yet.

But I like SWTOR quite a bit.

I did not really care for SWG all that much.   I still played because it was Star Wars and I had friends playing, but after the friends left, the game became very very very boring.

SWTOR is not boring for me.  It is worth the sub.

Originally posted by Jonoku
At launch they said 200k is enough to be profitable.....

In Aug 2012, along with the details of F2P, they said:

The President of EA Labels Frank Gibeau said the Star Wars game would still break even so long as it maintained 500,000 subscribers, but admitted that its current performance was "not good enough".

With  F2P being succesful with other MMOs, they are hoping to get that with subs and F2P purchasing. It is the reason why it went F2P, the game was tanking hard and had no time left to add content, to try and attract players back, so called for drastic measures - F2P

Well I guess they exaggerated the numbers to be "profitable." Like they exaggerated everything else in their advertisements.

For example: "Oh yea, wait until you get to llum, great open world PvP." *Everyone gets there and laughs and unsubscribes*

Exaggeration must of played a role in false advertising some info or have no knowledge in gaming and just throwing out there whatever "positive" to say.

Originally posted by Jonoku

Well I guess they exaggerated the numbers to be "profitable." Like they exaggerated everything else in their advertisements.

For example: "Oh yea, wait until you get to llum, great open world PvP." *Everyone gets there and laughs and unsubscribes*

Exaggeration must of played a role in false advertising some info.

Every company exaggerates their numbers.  You have to take everything with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

space game is a minigame inside of SWTOR imo. SWTOR has all other aspects of MMo, unless you choose to play it solo. But that is your choice.

Edit: People who say SWTOR is a single player game, overlook it's MMO aspect. This is a great game to group, you just have to do it.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

It is matter of opinion true, but for me both of those games are simialr in this.  STO is also like Swtor highly intanced / zoned game.  Sure space part is better, but that does not make enough diffrence for me and overally both of them feel like some mix of single player and co-op game rather than mmorpg.

There is also thing with business models which both are bad.  Star Lockboxes Online.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by superniceguy 

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

space game is a minigame inside of SWTOR imo. SWTOR has all other aspects of MMo, unless you choose to play it solo. But that is your choice.

 

Edit: People who say SWTOR is a single player game, overlook it's MMO aspect. This is a great game to group, you just have to do it.

People overlook it because they want more, they don't find 8/16/24 player ops/teams that massive. They want unlimited, I do too but its engine limits everything we'd want to feel massive. It's missing the massive part in MMO so its more like MO-Multiplayer Online Game.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

Take this PoV:

I would subscribe to a game in MMO space that actually has awesome stories (single player stories) and that incorporates some aspects of MMO.

One of most important aspect of MMO: regular content updates with continuation of awesome stories.

Other aspects: optional co-op missions, sandpark style PvP (need war in star-wars), crafting and auction house...

Too bad SWTOR has none of that, it adopted worst MMO aspects (instanced raiding/group farming/PvP for gear which is one of most anti-social thing you can have in MMO). Uh not just gear, ironically, they managed to make social points grind in anti-social event.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by superniceguy
 

But, you see, SW > ST.

Maybe but STO space > SWTOR space

STO is worth the sub, SWTOR is not, SWG is worth 100s of subs

Playing KOTOR repeatedly is more enjoyable than SWTOR

No it is not.  Both Swtor and STO are not even worth playing, not even talking about sub.

That is a matter of opinion of any MMO, but STO is more worthy to be called a MMO than SWTOR is, which is like a single player game (especially the space game), and you do not sub to single player games.

space game is a minigame inside of SWTOR imo. SWTOR has all other aspects of MMo, unless you choose to play it solo. But that is your choice.

 

Edit: People who say SWTOR is a single player game, overlook it's MMO aspect. This is a great game to group, you just have to do it.

Please don't even try with the tube shooter.

It's a full finger in the face for all space sim fans and not even a good shooter. 

Worse is they have a full team working on the new heroics missions for months, wasting $$$ in a... minigame?