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  GreenishBlue

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12/02/12 6:04:56 PM#21
First thing I did when I found out the Necro would be a class in GW2 was to check its minions. I didn't even bother in beta. I tried a ranger and didn't like the pets. I like the Mesmer though. So I guess I am good to go.

  Dibdabs

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12/02/12 6:58:19 PM#22
Originally posted by tank017
 

Got as far as 17 before I got terribly bored.

 I think the only Necro Ive ever loved in an MMO was EQ's

I presevered with mine up to lvl 30 and decided to delete it tonight and make a Thief.  I was bored with it too, but stuck with it in the hopes it would interest me more.

I also loved the Necromancer in EQ1, and it pretty much defined the class for me.  It fit the bill perfectly.

  MurlockDance

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12/03/12 3:59:02 AM#23

Agreed that the necromancer in GW2 is a far cry from the one in GW1, but I still rather like it.

I realized quickly that the minions were pretty bad, but I do use two at a time: the healing demon and the demon that blinds. The one that heals you with its attacks is the best one in my opinion, but the other is useful when it does decide to work. Otherwise, I use my other spells. My dps is not as good as an elie's but I have hardly died on my character and I think the balance between dps and self-healing makes a decent, survivable character.

I see the necro as a weak swiss army knife that ANet has pretty much nerfed because they are afraid his native abilities will be so powerful that no one else would be able to compete. It is a shame, because I do think that they could see some love and  not be totally OP.

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  xposeidon

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12/03/12 7:27:24 AM#24

I main a necro and it is a pretty broken class. Forget about pets in general for the necro, they just don't work and are a waste of time for the most part. I'm dissapointed by the incompetence of Arenanet in fixing the Pet AI and the 50 or so other bugs that surround this class. The bonus from traits in soul reaping had been broken since beta and just been fixed which was it increases life force pool by a %

Good builds for necros are well builds, power builds, and condition builds, and even then they are sub par but at least better than before, Any other class can do this better though. The thing that necros have going for them the most is that they can transfer conditions and spread conditions, but tbh most of the condition attacks from necros are AOE's you're less likely to want to use epidemic and use somthing more useful that can be used in more situations.

Lich form makes you a giant target, plague is just a tanking tool for 30 secs to stall a point or run some enemies, this elite is actually pretty great. And the Golem is good but the AI is terrible again.

Utilities are just ok, Pets are ustupid so that's 4 skills you won't use if going competitive. All necro signets have a long ass cooldown and a passive/active condition not worth going for it, except for signet of undeth which comes handy in very specific situations. Corruption skills are much better, BiP gives 10 stacks of might which is awesome, epidemic is good in some situations, corrupt boon is great also. Wells are also pretty good and give the most team support out of all necro utilities, but some of their cool downs are too much.

Healing skills are some of the best of all classes actually, well of blood regenerates health every sec, covers an area, and can be comboed with, consume conditions gives amazing healing with a lot of conditions and it has a short cooldown, and the pet recently has been buffed so it's also pretty good but only if it decides to work.

Weapon skills are fine except for axe, staff is usually a most, the utility it brings is far too great to not take it. Daggers are ok but getting close as a necro may not be a good idea, fine for PvE. Scepter is great for conditions and Axe is pretty weak atm, the vulnerability it inflicts is not worth the crap damage, if only minions worked fine this would make sense but they don't.

As for death shroud, it's mostly a panic button, #1 is too slow and boring, 2 is ok, 3 fear is great, 4 is also pretty good but with a long cool down, can't stomp or rez in DS, can't see utilities or buffs/debuffs you still have. Staying too long in DS really doesn't serve much purpose.

I really love the necro, but it could've been so much better.

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  Roin

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12/03/12 10:23:29 AM#25
Maybe they should call them Warlocks instead? Oh and I agree with the guy a few post above.  EQ1 Necro's were great.   I also loved DAOC's Bonedancer.

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  botrytis

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12/03/12 10:30:35 AM#26
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by Loke666

The necro pet AI is indeed bad, but you arent supposed to have all of them out at the same time.

If you want a pet class you should make a ranger instead, for necros pets are just some utility slots that are so-so and you rarely see any necro with a full pet collection past the first few zones.

Necro is not a bad class with the right build, but it sure aint a real pet class. Hopefully will they better the AI but even if you would have same pet control as a ranger you would get hell everytime you enter Orr, because mobs will aggro on pets and a necro with pets take a lot larger space then just a player.

Then again, one can wonder why exactly the undead in Orr aggroes on other undeads...

Played GW1? the Minion Master build was awesome, huge damage. In GW2 the necromancer is a support/tank class...and the support abillities is not even that good.

The MM build in GW1 was OP, WAY OP. I mean, I remember winning HoH with 5 MM's and 3 sacc'ers - 2 monks. They said that GW2 would be different. Necro's depending on minions alone is what many do. I am not using any minions on my Necro in PvE so far.

 

I, for one, am happy they made the Necro this way - there were some great builds that did not use minions in GW1 but people use them as a crutch for over-aggroing everything.

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  pedrostrik

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12/03/12 11:37:48 AM#27
Originally posted by Shaike
Originally posted by Goromhir

As Minions i describe all Pets a Necro get

> Standard Minions always out of Health

> Minion dont regenerate HP but one which comes to late in game...

> Minions AI is broken, stuck , not attacking etc etc

> Minions are on a endless long cooldown after they died

> Traits are chaotic designed and often useless

> To many skills to few to use at same time

> Weapons skills like Staff, axe and Scepter are boring. dagger could be fun without the endless running to mobs

and and and

 

If you love pets come from another mmorpg and think necromancer in gw2 is could be fun then you better stay away frm this class for now...

 

 

Try this build i made as a lvl80 a while back - should be very pro-minion!!!!

http://en.gw2codex.com/build/17401-shaike-s-necro-build-daggers-only-and-staff 

Only thing i can think you can change is if you prefer an axe in main hand use that instead of two daggers.... i found you get better damage with daggers - even though you have to be closer...

 

i was looking on yours but mine for pve its better (i think), and the A.I. from minions are still failing but not so much as before the last patch, and those minions really hurt a lot

 skills underwater: plague (the only elite available) ,bone minions on place of spectral walk and consume conditions on place for the well of blood.

staff with vit+conddmg+healing, all the rest of the gear carrion (power+vital+conddmg), 

trick its to use mark of blood as more as possible near the target your melee minions are, and try to use the well of blood with staff (bonus healing), usually i use a dagger with superior sigil of corruption till i get 25 stacks then i change for the dagger with superior sigil of hidromancy: try to start with chillblains on the targets, and keep them as more as possible chilled (with this build its 4 skills to chill), and 30% more on chill duration, try it.

  Masa1

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12/03/12 11:43:02 AM#28
Originally posted by Goromhir

> Traits are chaotic designed and often useless

So true.. You have to rely on gw2 wiki or google if you want to get a decent set of traits. They are also boring as hell because 99% of traits just increase "numbers".

 

I remember them promising that trait system would alter weapon skills, like shooting 2 fireballs instead of 1. In the end we got a half assed trait system, where there is just one trait for each weapon (decreasing cooldown + other mini bonus).

  pedrostrik

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12/03/12 12:03:05 PM#29
Originally posted by MurlockDance

Agreed that the necromancer in GW2 is a far cry from the one in GW1, but I still rather like it.

I realized quickly that the minions were pretty bad, but I do use two at a time: the healing demon and the demon that blinds. The one that heals you with its attacks is the best one in my opinion, but the other is useful when it does decide to work. Otherwise, I use my other spells. My dps is not as good as an elie's but I have hardly died on my character and I think the balance between dps and self-healing makes a decent, survivable character.

I see the necro as a weak swiss army knife that ANet has pretty much nerfed because they are afraid his native abilities will be so powerful that no one else would be able to compete. It is a shame, because I do think that they could see some love and  not be totally OP.

its true that minions are still bugged but the best its bone fiend, its the less bugged and always criple with its hits, the blood fiend its good but well of blood or even consume conditions are far away better, and well of blood heals your best minion (bone fiend). Flesh golem does a lot of dmg and even bugged its (i think) one of the all best elites available for now on the game, by himself he can tank a lot and keeping mark of blood on him he can tank a vast of majority champions around (least the meta chain ones). i rarely die with my mmaster build, and with some twiks its still playable on pvp (on pvp minions are less bugged).

 

  Goromhir

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OP  12/04/12 12:49:06 PM#30

dont ask me how but i made it to level 35 and took this FLESH GOLEM as elite skill. 

i couldnt wait to try him out.

the first thing i had to learn was that this awesome ELITE FLESH GOLEM often does NOTHING !

Hes just standing there while MOBs bash on my character. He is even worse than the other minions.

 

Anet completly failed on the Pet and Minion Artificial Intelligence. I wonder why they arent fixing the horrible Pet behaviors.

 

Necromancer as PET class could be awesome if ANet wouldnt be so incompetent.

ANET loves to add nice things for Halloween and i am sure also for Christmas but they fail in fixing bugs and repairing classes that players have as 1st priority.

ANETs Priority is the look and shine of the game. maybe because so many females work at ANet ?? My wife loves the colored and good looking GW 2 world. But i as male would prefer if ANET would work on the bugs and  technical problems with GW2 instead of bringing new make up every month.

My>

L80 Ranger needs some Fixes but hes good for PvE 

L35 Necromancer needs urgend help, PET AI, Trait rework, AXE range, Scepter range should be 1200 etc etc 

L80 Thief isnt great but works as cluster bomb farmer in ORR

L48 Guardian could use some changes (scepter etc etc) dunno what to do with him honestly

L37 Mesmer is just boring, i probaly delete him soon

L20 Warrior , my wife plays this character and seems to have fun

 

I tried and decided to never play these classes again >

Elemenatlist 3 times and deleted this class everytime around level 10-15 because its slow and boring

Engineer same as elementalist , static towers with long recast cooldowns are no fun for me.

 

 

  MurlockDance

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12/04/12 2:21:19 PM#31
Originally posted by pedrostrik

its true that minions are still bugged but the best its bone fiend, its the less bugged and always criple with its hits, the blood fiend its good but well of blood or even consume conditions are far away better, and well of blood heals your best minion (bone fiend). Flesh golem does a lot of dmg and even bugged its (i think) one of the all best elites available for now on the game, by himself he can tank a lot and keeping mark of blood on him he can tank a vast of majority champions around (least the meta chain ones). i rarely die with my mmaster build, and with some twiks its still playable on pvp (on pvp minions are less bugged).

 

I have the French client so I am having a hard time with figuring out which minion is the bone fiend one. Is that the one that is ranged and immobilizes targets? I have used him with well of blood. However, the immobilzing abilitiy is rather slow to recharge. With the demon that blinds your target, if you use your staff's #2 ability that does some dps and heals in a small radius around the target, I can usually keep him alive for a while and his dps is not too bad.

I really like the blind effect, except when someone uses it on me

I also play with just the healing demon, kiting, and a bunch of field abilities that I can use to spark off combos. However, I will definitely take your advice in consideration and try out the other abilities.

So far, I must be doing something right because I have died only once on the necro and that was when my client lagged out.

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  User Deleted
12/04/12 2:26:12 PM#32

At least you get responses to your problems, they already stated they are looking at the AI for pets because they understand that it's a problem not just from necros but for all professions.

Engineers have had the miss problem with the FT/EG/Blowtorch since BWE3 and we STILL haven't heard anything from the devs/community managers/moderators saying anything like "yeah we know we'll have something soon"! At least necros get responses to their problems. Ele's get instant fixes to theirs seriously go look in their forums they had someone push thru a fix for dec 3rd.

  Vannor

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12/04/12 2:27:17 PM#33

Necro is not a pet class. Pets are situational just like all the other utilities. If a necro is summoning pets 'after' a fight and running around with their pets out, they are doing it wrong. You are meant to use the pets when you need them.. not have them out in case you need them. They will be dead by the time you actually need them.

Get rid of the idea that you think it's a pet class and start using the pets when you 'need' them instead of when you want them. You'll thank me after you've got your head round it cos it's much more effective.

You should be doing things like landing a load of debuffs and vuln and then getting out your minions, so you make the most of them.. keep the aggro on yourself whilst keeping the debuffs up and the pets won't just die all the time. They are not there to take the damage off you, that's why they die so easily and can't be resummoned instantly.

If you don't like the way that works, that's fine.. but that's how the class has been built. It isn't broken (the AI is a bit obviously), it's intentional.

  MurlockDance

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12/04/12 2:31:41 PM#34
Originally posted by Goromhir

dont ask me how but i made it to level 35 and took this FLESH GOLEM as elite skill. 

i couldnt wait to try him out.

the first thing i had to learn was that this awesome ELITE FLESH GOLEM often does NOTHING !

Hes just standing there while MOBs bash on my character. He is even worse than the other minions.

 

Anet completly failed on the Pet and Minion Artificial Intelligence. I wonder why they arent fixing the horrible Pet behaviors.

 

Necromancer as PET class could be awesome if ANet wouldnt be so incompetent.

ANET loves to add nice things for Halloween and i am sure also for Christmas but they fail in fixing bugs and repairing classes that players have as 1st priority.

ANETs Priority is the look and shine of the game. maybe because so many females work at ANet ?? My wife loves the colored and good looking GW 2 world. But i as male would prefer if ANET would work on the bugs and  technical problems with GW2 instead of bringing new make up every month.

My>

L80 Ranger needs some Fixes but hes good for PvE 

L35 Necromancer needs urgend help, PET AI, Trait rework, AXE range, Scepter range should be 1200 etc etc 

L80 Thief isnt great but works as cluster bomb farmer in ORR

L48 Guardian could use some changes (scepter etc etc) dunno what to do with him honestly

L37 Mesmer is just boring, i probaly delete him soon

L20 Warrior , my wife plays this character and seems to have fun

 

I tried and decided to never play these classes again >

Elemenatlist 3 times and deleted this class everytime around level 10-15 because its slow and boring

Engineer same as elementalist , static towers with long recast cooldowns are no fun for me.

 

 

No offense, but it sounds like GW2 is really not your cup of tea. If you tried all of those classes and didn't really like them, I think it is a pretty good sign that the game is not really for you.

So far, I have liked the necro and engineer the most, but I have not tried a few of the other classes. Yes, the necro does need some fixing, but I actually find him pretty fun despite his issues.

Out of curiosity, what spec did you make your elie and how did you play him? I made mine a fire spec, and played with two daggers out, and found it to be a quick dpser, not slow at all. I also had to kite constantly, because as a dps spec, only two hits from any mob pretty much killed him.

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  Goromhir

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Joined: 1/06/09
Posts: 302

 
OP  12/09/12 1:06:09 PM#35
Originally posted by MurlockDance
Originally posted by Goromhir

dont ask me how but i made it to level 35 and took this FLESH GOLEM as elite skill. 

i couldnt wait to try him out.

the first thing i had to learn was that this awesome ELITE FLESH GOLEM often does NOTHING !

Hes just standing there while MOBs bash on my character. He is even worse than the other minions.

 

Anet completly failed on the Pet and Minion Artificial Intelligence. I wonder why they arent fixing the horrible Pet behaviors.

 

Necromancer as PET class could be awesome if ANet wouldnt be so incompetent.

ANET loves to add nice things for Halloween and i am sure also for Christmas but they fail in fixing bugs and repairing classes that players have as 1st priority.

ANETs Priority is the look and shine of the game. maybe because so many females work at ANet ?? My wife loves the colored and good looking GW 2 world. But i as male would prefer if ANET would work on the bugs and  technical problems with GW2 instead of bringing new make up every month.

My>

L80 Ranger needs some Fixes but hes good for PvE 

L35 Necromancer needs urgend help, PET AI, Trait rework, AXE range, Scepter range should be 1200 etc etc 

L80 Thief isnt great but works as cluster bomb farmer in ORR

L48 Guardian could use some changes (scepter etc etc) dunno what to do with him honestly

L37 Mesmer is just boring, i probaly delete him soon

L20 Warrior , my wife plays this character and seems to have fun

 

I tried and decided to never play these classes again >

Elemenatlist 3 times and deleted this class everytime around level 10-15 because its slow and boring

Engineer same as elementalist , static towers with long recast cooldowns are no fun for me.

 

 

No offense, but it sounds like GW2 is really not your cup of tea. If you tried all of those classes and didn't really like them, I think it is a pretty good sign that the game is not really for you.

So far, I have liked the necro and engineer the most, but I have not tried a few of the other classes. Yes, the necro does need some fixing, but I actually find him pretty fun despite his issues.

Out of curiosity, what spec did you make your elie and how did you play him? I made mine a fire spec, and played with two daggers out, and found it to be a quick dpser, not slow at all. I also had to kite constantly, because as a dps spec, only two hits from any mob pretty much killed him.

L67 meanwhile. I found the secret of getting 100% agro over the minions. running a + Toughness +Vitality build with all minions out if i need them all. So the secret is to Taunt the MOBs on your char while the Minions hit like DoT´s. 

As L66 i soloed Level 75 singles Mobs without loosing to much HP (354+1052xp= per kill) . Minions heal me, Minions take conditions off me. I use dagger , scepter or Axe. Sometimes Staff but i hate this weapons skills. i can kill any veteran and take on lower level champions but all Minions must attack and hit for that or the heals arent enough. I also use the SIGNET that pulls conditions of allies, that way i pull all negative things off my minions and they then neutralize them.

Bone Minions, Flesh Golem and Shadow Fiend are the minions that are bugged. The scorpion and the Blood fiend usually work.

I also use 40% chance for lifestealing + 50 precicion food and main aweapon with 30% chance to steal life on hit 2sec coolodown for harder pulls.

I see many green numbers and my HP isnt going down usually. 

If i want the bugged minions to work i have to pull the enemies into them, that often helps. 

 

I still hope Minions AI gets fixed because this all just works for PVE .. in PvP i will be dead before the Minions attack because of their slow AI and bugs.

I am slowly becoming burned out from GW 2 tough and my wife takes over my account with her Warrior and Ranger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  User Deleted
12/09/12 1:12:14 PM#36

- as an engineer I have to laugh at this because at least your class isn't nerfed to oblivion or constantly missing in every weapon set you have you CAN still do damage to enemies while it takes us 30 bullets or 30 grenades to kill anything (yeah literally 30 grenades, try it. 3 grenades per throw ten throws...weird huh -

 

- secondly, the AI for the players minions are the problem nothing more and this issue isn't class specific, I'm saying this as someone who plays a ranger (because all I've played in every game are the leatherwearer scout classes) -

 

- and finally, why post this here? shouldn't this be in their forums for the class? People have said worse things then what you've posted here so I can't imagine that you've received a ban of somekind for what you've said in this post on this site, what happened to get the word across to the devs on their site? -

 

  Goromhir

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Posts: 302

 
OP  12/10/12 2:23:17 AM#37
Originally posted by itgrowls

- as an engineer I have to laugh at this because at least your class isn't nerfed to oblivion or constantly missing in every weapon set you have you CAN still do damage to enemies while it takes us 30 bullets or 30 grenades to kill anything (yeah literally 30 grenades, try it. 3 grenades per throw ten throws...weird huh -

 

- secondly, the AI for the players minions are the problem nothing more and this issue isn't class specific, I'm saying this as someone who plays a ranger (because all I've played in every game are the leatherwearer scout classes) -

 

- and finally, why post this here? shouldn't this be in their forums for the class? People have said worse things then what you've posted here so I can't imagine that you've received a ban of somekind for what you've said in this post on this site, what happened to get the word across to the devs on their site? -

 

you sound  a little offensive but its ok.

ANets Moderators removed and still remove postings like this on their forums. A good friend of mine was about to buy GW2 just to play the Necro class because he saw the commercial movie about the necromancer class. i told him to come to my home and watch the necro in action. 10 minutes later he said its better to wait a few month and keep the cash for something else.  i think possible new players deserve to see what they will get after they payed for this game and Necromancer is the class many want to play without knowing what they get at the end. 

ANets Moderators ban and remove to much on their forums thats why people like me  post here...

 

 

 

 

 

  cptndunsel

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 118

12/10/12 10:55:55 AM#38

pretty much agree with most of this.

 

Necro was my first toon and has been leveled to 80, full exotics, etc. The necro pets are pretty squishy and I use them en masse now for situational encounters only - those where you need as much distraction as possible. As a condition build I need my wells so only typically run with the bone minion and thats purely as a distraction tank-type pet.

 

I am not enamoured by the design of necros nor their pets and the restrictions (no way to heal, no way to siphon their health for your benefit etc) not found in other games.

 

I still view this as my "main" but leveled a ranger to 80 and have more fun playing it as I can at least control the pet to some extent.

 

As was pointed out elsewhere - you write critical remarks (even when stated kindly) about any part of the game to the anet forums and risk infractions and suspension from their forum, so its not worth it. I did post some suggestions awhile back and the response was that was not their view for the class, so... its not going to change. I'd likely have started with a different class had I known, but starting at pre-release there was not a lot of intel out there to base decisions on. I like magic classes, but ELE has been nerfed/gimped so many times and is a chore to level (since you need to unlock and level all element skills) that it was necro or nothing.

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1225

12/10/12 12:04:53 PM#39
Originally posted by Goromhir

L67 meanwhile. I found the secret of getting 100% agro over the minions. running a + Toughness +Vitality build with all minions out if i need them all. So the secret is to Taunt the MOBs on your char while the Minions hit like DoT´s. 

As L66 i soloed Level 75 singles Mobs without loosing to much HP (354+1052xp= per kill) . Minions heal me, Minions take conditions off me. I use dagger , scepter or Axe. Sometimes Staff but i hate this weapons skills. i can kill any veteran and take on lower level champions but all Minions must attack and hit for that or the heals arent enough. I also use the SIGNET that pulls conditions of allies, that way i pull all negative things off my minions and they then neutralize them.

Bone Minions, Flesh Golem and Shadow Fiend are the minions that are bugged. The scorpion and the Blood fiend usually work.

I also use 40% chance for lifestealing + 50 precicion food and main aweapon with 30% chance to steal life on hit 2sec coolodown for harder pulls.

I see many green numbers and my HP isnt going down usually. 

If i want the bugged minions to work i have to pull the enemies into them, that often helps. 

 

I still hope Minions AI gets fixed because this all just works for PVE .. in PvP i will be dead before the Minions attack because of their slow AI and bugs.

I am slowly becoming burned out from GW 2 tough and my wife takes over my account with her Warrior and Ranger.

Thanks for the post. I have a different playstyle for sure.

I admit though, like you I feel a bit meh about what the classes have to offer so I am not sure that GW2 is entirely my cup of tea either (referring to one of your earlier posts). I doink around a bit every now and then on the necro, but I am waiting to see mainly how ANet will shape this game up.

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  botrytis

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Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2537

12/10/12 12:23:01 PM#40

http://www.killtenrats.com/2010/08/27/guild-wars-2-necromancer-interview/

 

Not once do they mention pets. They do mention weapon switching. I think the pets were added after and I think they should take them out totally can give necros more conditions and control damage.

 

I don't like necro pets - I feel they are a crutch. Go aggro mobs with pets, go for coffee, mobs dead.

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