Originally posted by Laughing-man

Yes to all the questions, even the loaded ones that clearly are only there to inflame.

I'm guessing you don't raid, and never have, tried recently and failed at it?

Something along those lines.

Yes, it is an acomplishment to do something that requires team work and effort and co-ordination.  If you weren't the first it IS still worth doing, why bother sky diving if you aren't sky diving for the record?  Oh wait, cus its fun?  Yeah, thats why.

Sounds like some OP is jaded.

Have to agree, raiding do have some problems though and I dont play it at the time but my greatest problem for the last few years is that it takes so much time to do it well. I just cant book that much time to be in a full raid guild and PUGing raids is no fun.

Other problems is standing and waiting for slow players and the fact that you often have to do the same raid more times than it is fun, doing the same raid over and over usually stop being hard pretty soon.

I do think raids can and should become better, for one thing I would love to see scaling raids with 10-40 players, and bosses with random skills to make things more unpredictable.

But the bad part is really the time investment you need at set times, when you raid you need to do them on a regular basis and the time I play is rather unregular now. Being forced to play 3 times a week 4 hours each is fine for people with time for it, but it gets harder the older you get.

Raids can be a great fun and should be a part of most MMOs but it shouldnt be the only endgame, there are other good parts including some more sandboxed endgame types and the more types of endgames a MMO have the better for us players.

This guy has no idea what MMO PvP is all about, or MMO's in general. Its a we activity not a me activity. 

As an avid gathcraftsplorer I think both of your communities are funny. Trying to show off the biggest epeen in any game is the funniest passtime I've seen in any community online and it definitely happens in both.

It's fun just being in the game doing open world stuff (if designed properly) but most games seem to be this dungeon only lobby style thing and that's boring.

Unfortunately it really hasn't changed with WoW because even with their version of LOTRO's skirmishes it's still a dungeon that you have to lfg for.