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  Deewe

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Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

11/29/12 9:23:32 PM#61
Originally posted by furh98
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or fe dailies.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

Last stance being:

17. How are we holding to our six week promise for game updates?

Jeff: I think it is going great right now. If you have being watching in the past 4-5 months we talked pretty aggressively about keeping to a 6-8 weeks schedule for updates and I think we hit that pretty darn good. It is diffcult, let me just put it that way. The development process to stay at quality can be very diffcult in that short amount of time.

We might have a 9 week over the holidays just because we actually let our guys spend a little time because last year we were all here. I think we will have a 9 week between the next update before the holidays and the update after that. But we should be back to 6-8 week updates after that. I see no reasons in the future that we won’t stay on that. We will keep trying to 6 but for the sake of quality go to 8 if we need to. 

We will be doing another one of these closer to our next Game update so we will be back!

 

BTW please allow me and the investors to disagree with your statement. TOR failed very hard on most people expectations. Seems to me the right word would be: deceived ;)

 

TOR development in short: 

  • 6 years: started in Dec, 2005 
  • 200ish millions:  3+ times Rift budget, 5+ ttimes AoC
  • 800 people vs 200ish for other MMO
 
All that and they were bleeding subs even faster than SWG and had to go F2P even before the first year.
To my knowledge none game whent that low that fast.
 
 
 
 

[mod edit]

Hate? Why for?

 

These are just facts.

 

BTW check AoC and WAR...

  Sevenstar61

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1475

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 9:51:46 PM#62
Originally posted by furh98
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by furh98
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or fe dailies.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

Last stance being:

17. How are we holding to our six week promise for game updates?

Jeff: I think it is going great right now. If you have being watching in the past 4-5 months we talked pretty aggressively about keeping to a 6-8 weeks schedule for updates and I think we hit that pretty darn good. It is diffcult, let me just put it that way. The development process to stay at quality can be very diffcult in that short amount of time.

We might have a 9 week over the holidays just because we actually let our guys spend a little time because last year we were all here. I think we will have a 9 week between the next update before the holidays and the update after that. But we should be back to 6-8 week updates after that. I see no reasons in the future that we won’t stay on that. We will keep trying to 6 but for the sake of quality go to 8 if we need to. 

We will be doing another one of these closer to our next Game update so we will be back!

 

BTW please allow me and the investors to disagree with your statement. TOR failed very hard on most people expectations. Seems to me the right word would be: deceived ;)

 

TOR development in short: 

  • 6 years: started in Dec, 2005 
  • 200ish millions:  3+ times Rift budget, 5+ ttimes AoC
  • 800 people vs 200ish for other MMO
 
All that and they were bleeding subs even faster than SWG and had to go F2P even before the first year.
To my knowledge none game whent that low that fast.
 
 
 
 

To my knowledge yours and others obsession to post hate about TOR is the saddest attempt I have ever seen at bashing a game.   

Hate? Why for?

 

These are just facts.

 

BTW check AoC and WAR...

Hate=obsession to post negative comments on a game you no longer play or like

Fact=there are still a lot of people who enjoy SWTOR.  Why do you care so much if people enjoy a video game you hate? 

The fun part is, that most of the haters are so obsessed with SWTOR that they actually still sub so they can post negative posts on SWTOR forums /grin


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Deewe

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

11/29/12 9:56:21 PM#63
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
** sarlacc ingested stuff **
The fun part is, that most of the haters are so obsessed with SWTOR that they actually still sub so they can post negative posts on SWTOR forums /grin

We both know i'm no hater, just want the game to be much better ;)

The game won't improve if people keep praising BioWare when they keep half delivering.

 

(edit: half being generous)

  Sevenstar61

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1475

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 10:01:04 PM#64

We both know i'm no hater, just want the game to be much better ;)

The game won't improve if people keep praising BioWare when they keep half delivering.

And it will improve a lot if all you hear is: don't bother even to play it because it sucks and it' will  die soon or it's already dead.

/sarcasm

Constructive criticism is good. Mindless hating and bashing game is not going to make it better, it's going to discourage potential players to even try it. If company does not have money to invest in game, you won't see any improvement.

You can criticize the game and give a feedback and suggestions - that's welcomed. Nobody is going to disagree with that.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  mcburly

Novice Member

Joined: 5/05/08
Posts: 251

11/29/12 10:03:29 PM#65

I was a pretty big fan boy for SWTOR but eventually the shine wore off and I realized the sad truth..... the game was just terribly designed at its core. Unfortunately I dont think the game can improve enough to climb out of the giant hole that Bioware dug themselves in.

I havent played in about 3 months and watching the pace of the updates and the terrible implementation of F2P just tells me that this games going into maintenance mode, I wouldnt be surprised if it is shut down a year from now. Especially with Disney buying the IP, they may want better representation in the MMO scene.

For those that still enjoy it, congrats I guess.

Ive pretty much lost all hope that a good MMO will ever get released. I just play skyrim now lol. If only somehow that game was an mmo...

  erictlewis

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/08/08
Posts: 3057

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

11/29/12 10:06:40 PM#66
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by furh98
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by furh98
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or fe dailies.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

Last stance being:

17. How are we holding to our six week promise for game updates?

Jeff: I think it is going great right now. If you have being watching in the past 4-5 months we talked pretty aggressively about keeping to a 6-8 weeks schedule for updates and I think we hit that pretty darn good. It is diffcult, let me just put it that way. The development process to stay at quality can be very diffcult in that short amount of time.

We might have a 9 week over the holidays just because we actually let our guys spend a little time because last year we were all here. I think we will have a 9 week between the next update before the holidays and the update after that. But we should be back to 6-8 week updates after that. I see no reasons in the future that we won’t stay on that. We will keep trying to 6 but for the sake of quality go to 8 if we need to. 

We will be doing another one of these closer to our next Game update so we will be back!

 

BTW please allow me and the investors to disagree with your statement. TOR failed very hard on most people expectations. Seems to me the right word would be: deceived ;)

 

TOR development in short: 

  • 6 years: started in Dec, 2005 
  • 200ish millions:  3+ times Rift budget, 5+ ttimes AoC
  • 800 people vs 200ish for other MMO
 
All that and they were bleeding subs even faster than SWG and had to go F2P even before the first year.
To my knowledge none game whent that low that fast.
 
 
 
 

To my knowledge yours and others obsession to post hate about TOR is the saddest attempt I have ever seen at bashing a game.   

Hate? Why for?

 

These are just facts.

 

BTW check AoC and WAR...

Hate=obsession to post negative comments on a game you no longer play or like

Fact=there are still a lot of people who enjoy SWTOR.  Why do you care so much if people enjoy a video game you hate? 

The fun part is, that most of the haters are so obsessed with SWTOR that they actually still sub so they can post negative posts on SWTOR forums /grin

Actually the free to play guys can post on the forums as well.  It let me log in there today without a sub to my surprise so this is no longer true. 

  Sevenstar61

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1475

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 10:28:06 PM#67

The fun part is, that most of the haters are so obsessed with SWTOR that they actually still sub so they can post negative posts on SWTOR forums /grin

Actually the free to play guys can post on the forums as well.  It let me log in there today without a sub to my surprise so this is no longer true. 

No they can't. You have to have sub to be able to post on forum. It has to be glitch. 

You can log in to forum, but you cannot post.

 

Edit: there were few people who claimed they were F2P and could posted, but it was isolated incident and I think after they posted they access was cut off /grin


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1281

11/29/12 10:51:12 PM#68

for me im no lover of swtor , i never had these high expectations that a lot of players here carry. So therefore i see the game as fine and a good game to enjoy a story and some okay pve. Its nowhere near as bad as people on this site make it out to be and i can agree with seven , if you want to really see it grow and become good or make it something entirely different the last thing people here are doing is promoting anything to do with fixing it. All senseless bashing without anything constructive at all said about it.

Ive been on this forum for years , on other older screen names and can tell you this has been going on here since wow was just out of beta . People destroy content as fast as possible then turn around and bash the games they played saying they should of added this or that. SWTOR is no different other than they spent more money on the budget and made bad design decisions on where the money went to . If people here really care about the game like they need to express whats wrong with it on the bioware forums and see what direction they take. Obviously people who created this had ego's and blame issues , but they are long gone and there seems to be content on the way and they seem to be receptive now to player suggestions. Space off rails is coming , they hinted at more factional pve and wars , and they already said illum is being redesiged months ago. So it sounds honestly like they are listening more now and people are coming back to play.

Also i agree content isnt that great for the quick releases but either was rifts fast patches , they tweek a few things add a raid or a chronicle and call it a day so how is it any different than other games. Hell to be honest if you want to talk about shakeup on content and making things decent for patches go look at the new lord of the rings patch on the public test server. While its raid content lite , its got tons of quality of life improvements to the game taken from other games .

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2757

11/29/12 11:14:07 PM#69
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

I'll be honest, I stopped reading based on the title myself.

 

Both SWTOR and GW2 failed to triumph.

  muffins89

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Joined: 10/15/12
Posts: 1253

11/29/12 11:24:12 PM#70
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

 

Edit. If the author was wrong about credits, his creditability went down the sink imo.

the Op quoted the guy who wrote the article.  and the guy who wrote it didn't even work for EA in 2010.  op just trying to stir the pot.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  erictlewis

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11/29/12 11:27:03 PM#71
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

The fun part is, that most of the haters are so obsessed with SWTOR that they actually still sub so they can post negative posts on SWTOR forums /grin

Actually the free to play guys can post on the forums as well.  It let me log in there today without a sub to my surprise so this is no longer true. 

No they can't. You have to have sub to be able to post on forum. It has to be glitch. 

You can log in to forum, but you cannot post.

 

Edit: there were few people who claimed they were F2P and could posted, but it was isolated incident and I think after they posted they access was cut off /grin

Yep they fixed the glitch.  I can log into the forums, the new post button is there, but now when I click it it says yada yada yada you must have an account to post.  So it was glitchy for previous subscribers.  I also noticed that my thread from today is no longer there lol.  I guess free to play players are second class citizens as well. 

  User Deleted
11/30/12 4:05:20 AM#72
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

And it will improve a lot if all you hear is: don't bother even to play it because it sucks and it' will  die soon or it's already dead.

Because they need hard lesson and weve all witnesses that unless you hit em where it hurts (pocket) nothing will change.

SInce they decided to spend lot of resources on F2P instead fixing the game they need more hard lessons.

And if they dont learn it will die (which how they handle things is pretty possible, within next year).

Just look at this:

Short while ago: "We will release some update every 6 weeks"

Now: "We aim to release some update every 6-8 weeks with next being 9 weeks proabably"

And 6 weeks for MINISCULE updates is still SNAIL pace.

Yah, its that simple.

 

  LoverNoFighter

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Joined: 9/05/12
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SWG pre cu > all

11/30/12 4:24:20 AM#73
Originally posted by Tiller

It’s like swg all over again

People who dislike swtor: state their case

People who like swtor: defend it.

Thing is no other game since swg has lost players so fast, accept swtor

Will history repeat itself lol?

 

Time will tell.

 

As for GW2, it will do just fine since it seems to retain it's following from GW1, even if some outsiders still prefer WoW over it.

except SWG was a much more fun game and its potential was gigantic compared to SWTOR.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/30/12 4:58:50 AM#74
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
Originally posted by Tiller

It’s like swg all over again

People who dislike swtor: state their case

People who like swtor: defend it.

Thing is no other game since swg has lost players so fast, accept swtor

Will history repeat itself lol?

 

Time will tell.

 

As for GW2, it will do just fine since it seems to retain it's following from GW1, even if some outsiders still prefer WoW over it.

except SWG was a much more fun game and its potential was gigantic compared to SWTOR.

Yep, and SOE focussed on updating/improving the game instead of server merges. Even with the NGE it took over 3 years from that to start merging servers.

Server merges may solve things short term, but not long term.

 

  kitarad

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11/30/12 5:02:58 AM#75

Has there ever been a single soul who has watched star wars and seen the name star wars ever disassociated it from Lucasarts ?

 

I am also very curious when people say most people or everyone or a majority exactly what statistic they are using.  By all accounts WoW would be much hated and despised and should have a population of a few hundred based on this site anyway , yet it thrives. Of course that is because Blizzard lies and cheats but their stockholders seem happy.

 

What one player enjoys is personal to them. As is evidenced games many others would not touch are enjoyed by others. Same with SWTOR there are people who love it even if many here are unable to grasp that and continue to shake their heads in disbelief that anyone can like SWTOR . There are players out there continuing to enjoy the game.

 

Games can also continue to make money even if they do not have a large number of people playing if they are making a profit and only EA knows what that is even if we would like to speculate we are not in a position to know what that figure is and if indeed the game has been considered by EA as a complete loss. However SWG was shut down that is a fact. So even if it had more potential or what have you that game had a very small population playing it and in the end it was shut down.

 

City of X was shut down eventhough it was still making money. So what keeps games up or whether EA has every intention of shutting down SWTOR is all up in the clouds. I do not see any credible post here about SWTOR or the success of its F2P or failure all we have are disgruntled exfans who have a bone to pick with the game and cannot get over the reality that others may have a different interest from their own . Well hardly surprising when you see the number of insults flung at WoW players questioning their intellect and earning capacity to lodgings.

 

Someone mentioned Age of Conan's budget ,can you link a source for it as well as a link to the budget for making SWTOR. No rumours please let's deal in facts.

  Methos12

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Joined: 9/05/08
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Its better to be quiet and perceived as stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

11/30/12 5:16:57 AM#76


Originally posted by kitarad City of X was shut down eventhough it was still making money. So what keeps games up or whether EA has every intention of shutting down SWTOR is all up in the clouds. I do not see any credible post here about SWTOR or the success of its F2P or failure all we have are disgruntled exfans who have a bone to pick with the game and cannot get over the reality that others may have a different interest from their own . Well hardly surprising when you see the number of insults flung at WoW players questioning their intellect and earning capacity to lodgings.   Someone mentioned Age of Conan's budget ,can you link a source for it as well as a link to the budget for making SWTOR. No rumours please let's deal in facts.
I don't know what AoC's budget was, but one can make a safe assumption that TOR won't be shut down any time soon because EA has a ton of money invested into it that they need to get back, not to mention actually make a profit. What this sadly means is that they'll put the game on skeleton crew in order to invest as little as possible into it since it didn't turn out to be a multimillion subscribers deal, as evident by the fact that in almost a year since its launch TOR has had miniscule content updates spread out over that time period.

I can only assume it's the Star Wars brand itself that's keeping the game from going down the Warhammer Online route which it has zealously mimicking so far otherwise. It's both ridiculous and sad.

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  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/30/12 5:36:48 AM#77
Originally posted by kitarad

Has there ever been a single soul who has watched star wars and seen the name star wars ever disassociated it from Lucasarts ?

 

I am also very curious when people say most people or everyone or a majority exactly what statistic they are using.  By all accounts WoW would be much hated and despised and should have a population of a few hundred based on this site anyway , yet it thrives. Of course that is because Blizzard lies and cheats but their stockholders seem happy.

 

What one player enjoys is personal to them. As is evidenced games many others would not touch are enjoyed by others. Same with SWTOR there are people who love it even if many here are unable to grasp that and continue to shake their heads in disbelief that anyone can like SWTOR . There are players out there continuing to enjoy the game.

 

Games can also continue to make money even if they do not have a large number of people playing if they are making a profit and only EA knows what that is even if we would like to speculate we are not in a position to know what that figure is and if indeed the game has been considered by EA as a complete loss. However SWG was shut down that is a fact. So even if it had more potential or what have you that game had a very small population playing it and in the end it was shut down.

 

City of X was shut down eventhough it wass till making money. So what keeps games up or whetehr EA has every intention of shutting down SWTOR is all up in the clouds. I do not see any credible post here about SWTOR or the success of its F2P or failure all we have are disgruntled exfans who have a bone to pick with the game and cannot get over the reality that others may have a different interest from their own .Well hardly surprising when you see that number of insults flung at WoW players questioning their intellect and earning capacity to lodgings.

 

Someone mentioned Age of Conan's budget ,can you link a source for it as well as a link to the budget for making SWTOR. No rumours please let's deal in facts.

I just do not see a future in SWTOR. According to EAs reports the subs have lost about 75% of players from launch, that is aboyut 1.5 million people who do not want to carry on playing.

SWTOR has now received merges and gone F2P, but what would have been better is them adding the content that it was supposed to have. They said they had enough story for SWTOR from KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. So where is it?

They have layed off staff, and the game has pretty much jumped straight to NGE status in 2006. At least with SWG they tried with CU and NGE, but I guess they are not doing a CU or a NGE because of the history with SWG, but the difference, for those who like each game, is SWTORs has an attention span of a few months whereas SWGs was infinite. There are plenty of things to keep you entertained in SWG, I do not see what keeps people playing SWTOR, it is just monotonous repetitive gameplay after a couple of characters, because EA/Bioware do not enhance the game at all.

The only bone I have with SWTOR is that they have given up on the game, and we are now not getting all that promised content. Also the way they handled the merges caused me to delete characters as being on the same server stuffed up my Legacy trees. SWTOR is what it is. Games like STO, WOW, TSW, Rift, LOTRO and all other MMOs are expanding and evolving all the time, with content first and mostly, with merges/F2P last

SWG and COH did shut down, and both had more positive aura about them staying active. Paragon Studios themselves were shocked by the fact NC Soft chose to shut it down. It went F2P only last year, and there were was more updates to come.  SWG had several pieces of major content in the pipeline and both SOE and LA stated that SWG would still run alongside SWTOR as both games were different enough to co-exist, but then it shuts down on the day SWTOR starts early access? Too much of a coincidence to ignore the fact that SWTORs release caused SWGs shutdown - In with New, Out with the old, and leaves only one Star Wars game to go to, cutting out the cometition. If SWG had stayed active, SWTOR would be a lot deader than it is now. Convenient huh?

Add in the fact they still say the game requires the equivalent of 500K subs to break even.  So unless they get this figure how can they make a profit on it?

The game has a boos nowt in population with F2P but History has proven that people do not stick with the game, and the game has not changed in any way to make people want to stay with the game, so in about 3 months time, it is quite safe to say that people will start leaving the game again.

SWG closing was far from nice, and for those loving SWTOR should just accept that, and get the most of it while it is active.  If you think it is going to last for years and years and then it shuts down before 2014, then it will just hurt tonnes more.

Basically NOTHING coming from EA/Bioware is positive at all about SWTOR, unlike there was SWG and COH, but yet these 2 still shut down. I do not see the point in bothering with a game that has no future, and a company that treats players like scum. EA/Bioware are far worse than SOE

  laserit

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11/30/12 5:48:51 PM#78
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by kitarad

Has there ever been a single soul who has watched star wars and seen the name star wars ever disassociated it from Lucasarts ?

 

I am also very curious when people say most people or everyone or a majority exactly what statistic they are using.  By all accounts WoW would be much hated and despised and should have a population of a few hundred based on this site anyway , yet it thrives. Of course that is because Blizzard lies and cheats but their stockholders seem happy.

 

What one player enjoys is personal to them. As is evidenced games many others would not touch are enjoyed by others. Same with SWTOR there are people who love it even if many here are unable to grasp that and continue to shake their heads in disbelief that anyone can like SWTOR . There are players out there continuing to enjoy the game.

 

Games can also continue to make money even if they do not have a large number of people playing if they are making a profit and only EA knows what that is even if we would like to speculate we are not in a position to know what that figure is and if indeed the game has been considered by EA as a complete loss. However SWG was shut down that is a fact. So even if it had more potential or what have you that game had a very small population playing it and in the end it was shut down.

 

City of X was shut down eventhough it wass till making money. So what keeps games up or whetehr EA has every intention of shutting down SWTOR is all up in the clouds. I do not see any credible post here about SWTOR or the success of its F2P or failure all we have are disgruntled exfans who have a bone to pick with the game and cannot get over the reality that others may have a different interest from their own .Well hardly surprising when you see that number of insults flung at WoW players questioning their intellect and earning capacity to lodgings.

 

Someone mentioned Age of Conan's budget ,can you link a source for it as well as a link to the budget for making SWTOR. No rumours please let's deal in facts.

I just do not see a future in SWTOR. According to EAs reports the subs have lost about 75% of players from launch, that is aboyut 1.5 million people who do not want to carry on playing.

SWTOR has now received merges and gone F2P, but what would have been better is them adding the content that it was supposed to have. They said they had enough story for SWTOR from KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. So where is it?

They have layed off staff, and the game has pretty much jumped straight to NGE status in 2006. At least with SWG they tried with CU and NGE, but I guess they are not doing a CU or a NGE because of the history with SWG, but the difference, for those who like each game, is SWTORs has an attention span of a few months whereas SWGs was infinite. There are plenty of things to keep you entertained in SWG, I do not see what keeps people playing SWTOR, it is just monotonous repetitive gameplay after a couple of characters, because EA/Bioware do not enhance the game at all.

The only bone I have with SWTOR is that they have given up on the game, and we are now not getting all that promised content. Also the way they handled the merges caused me to delete characters as being on the same server stuffed up my Legacy trees. SWTOR is what it is. Games like STO, WOW, TSW, Rift, LOTRO and all other MMOs are expanding and evolving all the time, with content first and mostly, with merges/F2P last

SWG and COH did shut down, and both had more positive aura about them staying active. Paragon Studios themselves were shocked by the fact NC Soft chose to shut it down. It went F2P only last year, and there were was more updates to come.  SWG had several pieces of major content in the pipeline and both SOE and LA stated that SWG would still run alongside SWTOR as both games were different enough to co-exist, but then it shuts down on the day SWTOR starts early access? Too much of a coincidence to ignore the fact that SWTORs release caused SWGs shutdown - In with New, Out with the old, and leaves only one Star Wars game to go to, cutting out the cometition. If SWG had stayed active, SWTOR would be a lot deader than it is now. Convenient huh?

Add in the fact they still say the game requires the equivalent of 500K subs to break even.  So unless they get this figure how can they make a profit on it?

The game has a boos nowt in population with F2P but History has proven that people do not stick with the game, and the game has not changed in any way to make people want to stay with the game, so in about 3 months time, it is quite safe to say that people will start leaving the game again.

SWG closing was far from nice, and for those loving SWTOR should just accept that, and get the most of it while it is active.  If you think it is going to last for years and years and then it shuts down before 2014, then it will just hurt tonnes more.

Basically NOTHING coming from EA/Bioware is positive at all about SWTOR, unlike there was SWG and COH, but yet these 2 still shut down. I do not see the point in bothering with a game that has no future, and a company that treats players like scum. EA/Bioware are far worse than SOE

I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory...

 

You should call up Georgy boy OOps I mean Disney and ask them how much for a license, then do the math.

I think a more plausible theory...  Would be that the license expired and SOE didnt feel it was profitable to renew.

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  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2251

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/30/12 6:06:57 PM#79
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by kitarad

Has there ever been a single soul who has watched star wars and seen the name star wars ever disassociated it from Lucasarts ?

 

I am also very curious when people say most people or everyone or a majority exactly what statistic they are using.  By all accounts WoW would be much hated and despised and should have a population of a few hundred based on this site anyway , yet it thrives. Of course that is because Blizzard lies and cheats but their stockholders seem happy.

 

What one player enjoys is personal to them. As is evidenced games many others would not touch are enjoyed by others. Same with SWTOR there are people who love it even if many here are unable to grasp that and continue to shake their heads in disbelief that anyone can like SWTOR . There are players out there continuing to enjoy the game.

 

Games can also continue to make money even if they do not have a large number of people playing if they are making a profit and only EA knows what that is even if we would like to speculate we are not in a position to know what that figure is and if indeed the game has been considered by EA as a complete loss. However SWG was shut down that is a fact. So even if it had more potential or what have you that game had a very small population playing it and in the end it was shut down.

 

City of X was shut down eventhough it wass till making money. So what keeps games up or whetehr EA has every intention of shutting down SWTOR is all up in the clouds. I do not see any credible post here about SWTOR or the success of its F2P or failure all we have are disgruntled exfans who have a bone to pick with the game and cannot get over the reality that others may have a different interest from their own .Well hardly surprising when you see that number of insults flung at WoW players questioning their intellect and earning capacity to lodgings.

 

Someone mentioned Age of Conan's budget ,can you link a source for it as well as a link to the budget for making SWTOR. No rumours please let's deal in facts.

I just do not see a future in SWTOR. According to EAs reports the subs have lost about 75% of players from launch, that is aboyut 1.5 million people who do not want to carry on playing.

SWTOR has now received merges and gone F2P, but what would have been better is them adding the content that it was supposed to have. They said they had enough story for SWTOR from KOTOR 3-9 and beyond. So where is it?

They have layed off staff, and the game has pretty much jumped straight to NGE status in 2006. At least with SWG they tried with CU and NGE, but I guess they are not doing a CU or a NGE because of the history with SWG, but the difference, for those who like each game, is SWTORs has an attention span of a few months whereas SWGs was infinite. There are plenty of things to keep you entertained in SWG, I do not see what keeps people playing SWTOR, it is just monotonous repetitive gameplay after a couple of characters, because EA/Bioware do not enhance the game at all.

The only bone I have with SWTOR is that they have given up on the game, and we are now not getting all that promised content. Also the way they handled the merges caused me to delete characters as being on the same server stuffed up my Legacy trees. SWTOR is what it is. Games like STO, WOW, TSW, Rift, LOTRO and all other MMOs are expanding and evolving all the time, with content first and mostly, with merges/F2P last

SWG and COH did shut down, and both had more positive aura about them staying active. Paragon Studios themselves were shocked by the fact NC Soft chose to shut it down. It went F2P only last year, and there were was more updates to come.  SWG had several pieces of major content in the pipeline and both SOE and LA stated that SWG would still run alongside SWTOR as both games were different enough to co-exist, but then it shuts down on the day SWTOR starts early access? Too much of a coincidence to ignore the fact that SWTORs release caused SWGs shutdown - In with New, Out with the old, and leaves only one Star Wars game to go to, cutting out the cometition. If SWG had stayed active, SWTOR would be a lot deader than it is now. Convenient huh?

Add in the fact they still say the game requires the equivalent of 500K subs to break even.  So unless they get this figure how can they make a profit on it?

The game has a boos nowt in population with F2P but History has proven that people do not stick with the game, and the game has not changed in any way to make people want to stay with the game, so in about 3 months time, it is quite safe to say that people will start leaving the game again.

SWG closing was far from nice, and for those loving SWTOR should just accept that, and get the most of it while it is active.  If you think it is going to last for years and years and then it shuts down before 2014, then it will just hurt tonnes more.

Basically NOTHING coming from EA/Bioware is positive at all about SWTOR, unlike there was SWG and COH, but yet these 2 still shut down. I do not see the point in bothering with a game that has no future, and a company that treats players like scum. EA/Bioware are far worse than SOE

I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory...

 

You should call up Georgy boy OOps I mean Disney and ask them how much for a license, then do the math.

I think a more plausible theory...  Would be that the license expired and SOE didnt feel it was profitable to renew.

Both actually, the licence expired in 2012, not 2011, so closed down a few months early, but it all lined up neatly with SWTORs release. LA / SOE / EA all worked together to make it all happen. Plus if SOE  was 100% (without LA or EA )with the closure then they would not have given 6 months notice, but only the usual 2 or 3. The whole  SWG shutdown and SWTOR launch was all planned

There is no conspiracy theories just crappy mutual business decisions

  tiefighter25

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11/30/12 6:45:21 PM#80
Originally posted by Chieftan
[mod edit]

 

I can't tell if you are being serious.

You provdie links to a site we aren't supposed to link to.

The links show a B2P MMO still holding #5 behind WoW's #4.

B2P depends more on boc sales and xpac sales then anything, cash shop is bonus.

The second link shows a P2P game which took longer, and much more money to develop, only at #11 after a FTP conversion.

I know that the site you linked to isn't for directly compring one game to another, just to identify trends.

That said, even if I would use that site's analytics to compare the two games, I'd say your evidence was less then compelling for your argument.

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