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  TheCrow2k

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11/29/12 8:06:49 PM#41
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.
  User Deleted
11/29/12 8:12:20 PM#42
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no arguments left.
  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
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11/29/12 8:18:23 PM#43
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

  erictlewis

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Posts: 3047

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results.

11/29/12 8:20:47 PM#44
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

 

Edit. If the author was wrong about credits, his creditability went down the sink imo.

Ah but Madame, that is as illogical as to assume your statements are not credible, because you have a SWTOR signature. Why should someone make it so blatant and simple? No. If someone was to lie, I'd assume he would be elaborate as to say something so easy to check.

It is exactly this sort of what seems to be a small error which makes me believe the poster IS from EA and DOES report the truth. And it would be no means a surprise given how SWTOR fared, nes pa? And by all means we know nothing that EA meddled a lot in SWTOR, not Lucas. No, by all we know Bioware had the MAXIMUM of freedom, so there is only one culprit to blame and that is NOT EA but Bioware and Bioware alone. The entire SWTOR has all the good and bad sides all their previous RPGs since KOTOR had. Great character stories but horrible dull world design, and all the rest of the good, the bad and the ugly other Bioware single player RPGs had. SWTOR is the clear child of Bioware and not some evil influence of EA.

I honestly believe she works for ea, after all just look at her post history and how well put together her posts are done. I would almost believe she works in the pr department.  Any time  I see her post; I take witha grian of salt. 

 

  karat76

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Joined: 8/22/06
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Greatest threat to society is letting casualties of puberty reproduce.

11/29/12 8:23:28 PM#45
I really wanted to like it but after getting my Jedi Knight to 50 and finishing the story I could not bring myself to finish leveling my other toons. I think if I had more leveling options instead of same zone and quest lines and please open up tatoonie enough with the invisible walls.
  Airwren

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Joined: 5/12/08
Posts: 652

11/29/12 8:23:28 PM#46
Originally posted by BlueLantern

and EA had little faith in it as well.

 

"When I was in EA we were deeply concerned about how boring SWTOR’s gameplay was. And that was back in 2010. They finally realized the truth and decided to delay the game for another year to try to fix it. The final build was more fun by several orders of magnitude than the previous, but it was still not enough. It felt like another WoW. They failed to innovate in any sensible way. They bet everything on the franchise, the VO and Bioware’s signature narrative (which if you have played Mass Effect 3, you’ll know it’s not what it used to be anymore). Lucasarts realized the game was going to fail and forced a new deal in 2011 that would remove them from the production credits. George Lucas may be a bad moviemaker, but who can doubt he is a terrific businessman."

 

since some people still to this day claim EAlouse was discredited somehow, here's a revealing quote from a guy who worked there up until a few months ago.

Interesting, and if I had a bit more time I'd search around to verify that the 'deal' was altered.  I'm hearing Vader in my head, "pray I don't alter the deal any further." lol  The reality is LucasArts is still getting paid even if the game sucks balls, what do they care?  And now that Disney is the owner of the company they can care even less.  This business deal was pure gold for LucasArts from the get go.

  User Deleted
11/29/12 8:23:33 PM#47
Originally posted by cronius77

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

Really?

They spent 300-500m$ and lost 2,3m+players in 6 months?

Dont think so.

Originally posted by Airwren

Interesting, and if I had a bit more time I'd search around to verify that the 'deal' was altered.  I'm hearing Vader in my head, "pray I don't alter the deal any further." lol  The reality is LucasArts is still getting paid even if the game sucks balls, what do they care?  And now that Disney is the owner of the company they can care even less.  This business deal was pure gold for LucasArts from the get go.

How do you know LA gets paid?

Maybe they get only cut of the profit, and is game is losing money...

Many, many unknowns.

LA afaik was also investing their own money with BW.

  Airwren

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Joined: 5/12/08
Posts: 652

11/29/12 8:26:34 PM#48
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

Not even close.  You could combine the production costs for both those games and they still would've been cheaper to make than SW:TOR was.  You could also combine the number of subs they lost and it would still be lower than those SW:TOR lost.  And no, the F2P issue is not the reason (or the only reason) the game is a flop.

  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1234

11/29/12 8:27:28 PM#49
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

Really?

They spent 300-500m$ and lost 2,3m+players in 6 months?

Dont think so.

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2227

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 8:29:51 PM#50
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

It lost over 75% of its population (that is over 1.5 million people) in a very short time frame, Did the other games you mention  lose that many? Do they require the equivalent of 500K subs to break even?

It is the game that failed, no mention there about the company failing.

  User Deleted
11/29/12 8:32:43 PM#51
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or few dailies. So aproper update every 6-8 MONTHS.

Thats VERY different than "1 UPDATE/MONTH" from launch.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1234

11/29/12 8:33:16 PM#52
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

It lost over 75% of its population (that is over 1.5 million people) in a very short time frame, Did the other games you mention  lose that many? Do they require the equivalent of 500K subs to break even?

It is the game that failed, no mention there about the company failing.

im not arguing with you man you are like the largest hater on this site for swtor , there is nothing at all anyone on this site can say to make you ever change your mind about the game so there is no point in even getting into this with you seriously.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2227

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 8:35:01 PM#53
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

Really?

They spent 300-500m$ and lost 2,3m+players in 6 months?

Dont think so.

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

History has proven that SWTOR loses players fast, and I do not see many people paying after a few months, unless some awesome changes are done to the game. F2P will not save SWTOR, awesome content will.

  cronius77

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Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1234

11/29/12 8:35:02 PM#54
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or fe dailies.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 8:37:17 PM#55
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

It lost over 75% of its population (that is over 1.5 million people) in a very short time frame, Did the other games you mention  lose that many? Do they require the equivalent of 500K subs to break even?

It is the game that failed, no mention there about the company failing.

im not arguing with you man you are like the largest hater on this site for swtor , there is nothing at all anyone on this site can say to make you ever change your mind about the game so there is no point in even getting into this with you seriously.

There is nothing hateful I have posted, just pointing out the truth. I just want Bioware to actually expand / enhance SWTOR, into something worthwhile, as do 1.5 million other people

You are the ones who will do more damage to SWTOR, as it just stays stale, and drive people away, as history has proven

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11/29/12 8:37:36 PM#56
Originally posted by cronius77

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

Its been a year and they still didnt fixed stuff from beta. How many YEARS do you have to give it a chance lol

By this pace they will fix it around 2015-2016 lol

They went F2P without fixing what made people left in the first place. How smart is THAT?

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11/29/12 8:39:09 PM#57
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

How come that there is so many posts in GW2 forum, how this game sucks and how boring it is:) Almost like SWTOR forums /grin. Mind, that I do not play GW2 so I am not going to make any comments about it, but I saw many posts stating that GW2 is a big failure /grin

Edit: Why you can't understand that what is boring for you might be exciting for other person and vice versa?

Because the simple fact is people now a days deal or can only think in absolutes.

They either love GW2 or hate GW2

They either love ToR or they hate ToR

They either love WoW or hate WoW

 

It really is childish, either their opinion is all that matters if not everyone else is an idiot.

 

Ive seen you defend ToR on here, and Ive seen people attacking your opinions not because they believe what they're saying but because you dont agree with what they have to say.

I totally salute your tenacity when trying to talk to these people. Because I equate trying to talk to them to an adult in a 2nd grade classroom trying to have an intelligent conversation with a bunch of five yearolds.

Adult (7star61) "Greenbeans are good for you."

Class "Eewwwww...!"

Kid 1 "Greenbeans are yukie!"

Kid 2 "Yeah, greenbeans dont taste good, they taste yukie!"

Kids 3-10 "Yeah, they are yukie" (the parrot brigade)

Adult "No I said greenbeans are good for you."

Kid 1 *shakes head* "Nunt-uh, you said they were good!"

Kid 2 *shakes head*  "nunt-uh. They are yukie."

Kids 3-10 *turning it into a chant* "NUNT-UH!", "NUNT-UH!", "NUNT-UH!", "NUNT-UH!"

 

Thats how I see 90% of topics on this website start out as, turn into and, continune on as. People cant talk about a subject with the understanding that there is more than a single view on that topic. Its like actual thinking is beyond them, and all the can understand are absolutes, yes and nos, wrong or rights.

 

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  Sevenstar61

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11/29/12 8:54:50 PM#58
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Nukewrk
Originally posted by TheCrow2k
Most people who knew it would bomb were drummed out of the official forms by staff & fanbois who had convinced themselves it would be the second coming.

 

Well at least they had forums open at launch unlike other second comings.

And its still biggest failure in MMO history.

Guess they used it as decoration.

Originally posted by Nukewrk

[mod edit]
Wow, you really have no aruments left.

lets see warhammer online and age of conan flopped way worse than swtor so not sure how its the largest failure in history. Why because it went free to play? You are seriously hateful because people do not agree with you . The game may not be some grand thing but its not failing Bioware is hiring for multiple positions on the EA site so not sure how a failing company would hire on new people...

It lost over 75% of its population (that is over 1.5 million people) in a very short time frame, Did the other games you mention  lose that many? Do they require the equivalent of 500K subs to break even?

It is the game that failed, no mention there about the company failing.

im not arguing with you man you are like the largest hater on this site for swtor , there is nothing at all anyone on this site can say to make you ever change your mind about the game so there is no point in even getting into this with you seriously.

There is nothing hateful I have posted, just pointing out the truth. I just want Bioware to actually expand / enhance SWTOR, into something worthwhile, as do 1.5 million other people

You are the ones who will do more damage to SWTOR, as it just stays stale, and drive people away, as history has proven

Actually that would be a noble goal. So far though what I see is that your and others posts drive even more players out of trying the game and that theoretically decrease chances for improvements.

That's my 5c


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  Deewe

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11/29/12 8:57:29 PM#59
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by cronius77

the game is still going and the population is not bad at all now free to play or not , its not the largest flop in history yet , it might be later down the road but they are pushing out patches once every 6 weeks now and promise to live by it so it has plenty of time and playerbase to turn it around and make it a solid game. People enjoy it , its not the largest flop in history of mmorpgs and how do you know 6 months from now EA might make its money back or more? I know players spending 100s of dollars just on gambling boxes in game so in a business standpoint its not flopping. I understand you obviously truely hate the game and have a bone to pick obviously , but just because they spent 300 mil on it and it lost players doesnt mean its a flop with EA hiring now all over their company site for devs for bioware austin.

Get your facts straight, they are NOT pushing patches every 6 weeks, its now altered to every 6-8 weeks. lol Last one WASNT 6 weeks.

And, just to note, those are miniscule updates, WZ, or OP or FP or fe dailies.

Ypu mentioned AoC and WHO in contest of biggest flops and SWTOR is bigger flop than those. Im sure there are people that enjoy AoC and WHO still. Its beside the point though.

And we shall see how it works out, but knowing SWTORs history...its not promising.

the last thing i seen on the forums from hickman was still every 6 weeks and thats all im saying to you man is wait and see , they are trying to fix major issues with the game that people are complaining the loudest about . Be optimistic instead of just being negative here and give it a chance.

Last stance being:

17. How are we holding to our six week promise for game updates?

Jeff: I think it is going great right now. If you have being watching in the past 4-5 months we talked pretty aggressively about keeping to a 6-8 weeks schedule for updates and I think we hit that pretty darn good. It is diffcult, let me just put it that way. The development process to stay at quality can be very diffcult in that short amount of time.

We might have a 9 week over the holidays just because we actually let our guys spend a little time because last year we were all here. I think we will have a 9 week between the next update before the holidays and the update after that. But we should be back to 6-8 week updates after that. I see no reasons in the future that we won’t stay on that. We will keep trying to 6 but for the sake of quality go to 8 if we need to. 

We will be doing another one of these closer to our next Game update so we will be back!

 

BTW please allow me and the investors to disagree with your statement. TOR failed very hard on most people expectations. Seems to me the right word would be: deceived ;)

 

TOR development in short: 

  • 6 years: started in Dec, 2005 
  • 200ish millions:  3+ times Rift budget, 5+ ttimes AoC
  • 800 people vs 200ish for other MMO
 
All that and they were bleeding subs even faster than SWG and had to go F2P even before the first year.
To my knowledge none game whent that low that fast.
 
 
 
 
  Tiller

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11/29/12 9:21:51 PM#60

It’s like swg all over again

People who dislike swtor: state their case

People who like swtor: defend it.

Thing is no other game since swg has lost players so fast, accept swtor

Will history repeat itself lol?

 

Time will tell.

 

As for GW2, it will do just fine since it seems to retain it's following from GW1, even if some outsiders still prefer WoW over it.


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