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  BlueLantern

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OP  11/29/12 6:02:04 PM#1

and EA had little faith in it as well.

 

"When I was in EA we were deeply concerned about how boring SWTOR’s gameplay was. And that was back in 2010. They finally realized the truth and decided to delay the game for another year to try to fix it. The final build was more fun by several orders of magnitude than the previous, but it was still not enough. It felt like another WoW. They failed to innovate in any sensible way. They bet everything on the franchise, the VO and Bioware’s signature narrative (which if you have played Mass Effect 3, you’ll know it’s not what it used to be anymore). Lucasarts realized the game was going to fail and forced a new deal in 2011 that would remove them from the production credits. George Lucas may be a bad moviemaker, but who can doubt he is a terrific businessman."

 

since some people still to this day claim EAlouse was discredited somehow, here's a revealing quote from a guy who worked there up until a few months ago.


  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 6:20:48 PM#2

This is the latest SWTOR video posted on their web. How come that Lucasart is stil showing as credits?

 

http://www.swtor.com/info/media/trailers/new-free-play-launch-trailer-galaxy-possibilities


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2228

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 6:26:50 PM#3
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

This is the latest SWTOR video posted on their web. How come that Lucasart is stil showing as credits?

 

http://www.swtor.com/info/media/trailers/new-free-play-launch-trailer-galaxy-possibilities

That is not the credits. Credits are the srcolling text you walk out on at the end of a movie! Have a look at the credits in the game - I think it has it, SWG did anyway in the esc options, SWTOR should too

  Sevenstar61

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"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 6:39:10 PM#4

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Quizzical

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11/29/12 6:46:44 PM#5
Because without the credits, no one would ever guess that the company that owns the Star Wars IP would have anything to do with a Star Wars game?  About the only way that Lucas Arts wouldn't be linked to this is if they sued EA for trademark infringement long before the game launched--which, of course, they couldn't, since EA had properly licensed the IP.
  User Deleted
11/29/12 6:49:24 PM#6
What's the purpose ofthese threads? Who gives a shit. The game didn't do well. Say goodbye and move on. 
  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1421

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 6:50:02 PM#7

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

 

Edit. If the author was wrong about credits, his creditability went down the sink imo.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2228

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 7:02:39 PM#8
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin

Actually it says it removes them from the Production credits, not the credits all together, so there could be some credits that were removed.

The first screenshot does show some Production credits, but there could have been more credits, like "Internal Production"?

Without knowing exactly what credits were supposed to be removed, does not lose the OP any credibility.

 

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1421

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 7:05:27 PM#9
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin

Actually it says it removes them from the Production credits, not the credits all together, so there could be some credits that were removed.

The first screenshot does show some Production credits, but there could have been more credits, like "Internal Production"?

Without knowing exactly what credits were supposed to be removed, does not lose the OP any credibility.

 

You really want me to make the vidoe of it LOL.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

11/29/12 7:08:56 PM#10
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

 

Edit. If the author was wrong about credits, his creditability went down the sink imo.

Ah but Madame, that is as illogical as to assume your statements are not credible, because you have a SWTOR signature. Why should someone make it so blatant and simple? No. If someone was to lie, I'd assume he would be elaborate as to say something so easy to check.

It is exactly this sort of what seems to be a small error which makes me believe the poster IS from EA and DOES report the truth. And it would be no means a surprise given how SWTOR fared, nes pa? And by all means we know nothing that EA meddled a lot in SWTOR, not Lucas. No, by all we know Bioware had the MAXIMUM of freedom, so there is only one culprit to blame and that is NOT EA but Bioware and Bioware alone. The entire SWTOR has all the good and bad sides all their previous RPGs since KOTOR had. Great character stories but horrible dull world design, and all the rest of the good, the bad and the ugly other Bioware single player RPGs had. SWTOR is the clear child of Bioware and not some evil influence of EA.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1421

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 7:12:14 PM#11
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Btw you should mention that title of the article is

"Why Guild Wars 2 Triumphed Where Others Failed"

 

Edit. If the author was wrong about credits, his creditability went down the sink imo.

Ah but Madame, that is as illogical as to assume your statements are not credible, because you have a SWTOR signature. Why should someone make it so blatant and simple? No. If someone was to lie, I'd assume he would be elaborate as to say something so easy to check.

It is exactly this sort of what seems to be a small error which makes me believe the poster IS from EA and DOES report the truth. And it would be no means a surprise given how SWTOR fared, nes pa? And by all means we know nothing that EA meddled a lot in SWTOR, not Lucas. No, by all we know Bioware had the MAXIMUM of freedom, so there is only one culprit to blame and that is NOT EA but Bioware and Bioware alone. The entire SWTOR has all the good and bad sides all their previous RPGs since KOTOR had. Great character stories but horrible dull world design, and all the rest of the good, the bad and the ugly other Bioware single player RPGs had. SWTOR is the clear child of Bioware and not some evil influence of EA.

Ok I showed a proof that there are LucasArt credits in game. How that is not credible. So just that I like SWTOR I am less credible than SWTOR hater who would do everything to bash the game?

 

Edit:

About the author: Sergio Achinelli

Former Training Lead in Electronic Arts Certification, Sergio quit in 2012 to devote to his writing career. He just published his first novel, available in Spanish on Amazon, and is now working on the English version. He can be contacted through almost any social media invented by man.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Boldyn

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Joined: 12/29/04
Posts: 246

11/29/12 7:13:04 PM#12

What you got there is nothing more than the muppets you see on these forums who come running along screaming "I told you so!!" and states they said this before the game would launch.

 

I bet you I can make a hundred whiny posts and in a year or so, come back and show you that some of them were right. But I wont, since I have a life...

 

What's his agenda anyway? Hoping another company will read his statement and think that "Damn, we need to hire that guy, he has insight!"...

  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
Posts: 2228

NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

11/29/12 7:13:42 PM#13
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin

Actually it says it removes them from the Production credits, not the credits all together, so there could be some credits that were removed.

The first screenshot does show some Production credits, but there could have been more credits, like "Internal Production"?

Without knowing exactly what credits were supposed to be removed, does not lose the OP any credibility.

 

You really want me to make the vidoe of it LOL.

No point, whatever was removed will not be there.

The quote says that the deal would remove them from the Production credits. What Production credits? Your screenshot shows External Production credits, there could various different Production credits, but if the article is right then the Production credits that were removed will not be there!

What was the Production credits that were removed? Internal Production? Some other kind of Production?

If you know exactly what kind of Production credits were removed as fact, and then can screenshot it, then you have a case, otherwise you do not.

  User Deleted
11/29/12 7:18:57 PM#14

"Former Training Lead in Electronic Arts Certification, Sergio quit in 2012 to devote to his writing career. He just published his first novel, available in Spanish on Amazon, and is now working on the English version. He can be contacted through almost any social media invented by man."

The guy that wrote it. Worked at EA.

And theres no Lucas himself in credits.

Oh, and BTW, he didnt wrote anything that we didnt already know about the game ;)

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1421

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 7:20:33 PM#15
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin

Actually it says it removes them from the Production credits, not the credits all together, so there could be some credits that were removed.

The first screenshot does show some Production credits, but there could have been more credits, like "Internal Production"?

Without knowing exactly what credits were supposed to be removed, does not lose the OP any credibility.

 

You really want me to make the vidoe of it LOL.

No point, whatever was removed will not be there.

The quote says that the deal would remove them from the Production credits. What Production credits? Your screenshot shows External Production credits, there could various different Production credits, but if the article is right then the Production credits that were removed will not be there!

What was the Production credits that were removed? Internal Production? Some other kind of Production?

If you know exactly what kind of Production credits were removed as fact, and then can screenshot it, then you have a case, otherwise you do not.

The credits go for a long time, it's not a one page stuff. I made a screenshot at beginning, somewhere after few minutes and another later on. And sure there is no way to prove what was removed but also there is no proof that it was removed. LucasArt is still there - and that's what counts.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

11/29/12 7:20:40 PM#16
Originally posted by Boldyn

What you got there is nothing more than the muppets you see on these forums who come running along screaming "I told you so!!" and states they said this before the game would launch.

 

I bet you I can make a hundred whiny posts and in a year or so, come back and show you that some of them were right. But I wont, since I have a life...

 

What's his agenda anyway? Hoping another company will read his statement and think that "Damn, we need to hire that guy, he has insight!"...

"Our" agenda is that companies LISTEN to critics in time, both followers/fans and critique from then inside and not remain opaque to critique, and NOT repeat the same mistakes in MMOs over and over! THAT is our agenda!

Our agenda are GOOD GAMES!

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1421

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

11/29/12 7:22:56 PM#17
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Boldyn

What you got there is nothing more than the muppets you see on these forums who come running along screaming "I told you so!!" and states they said this before the game would launch.

 

I bet you I can make a hundred whiny posts and in a year or so, come back and show you that some of them were right. But I wont, since I have a life...

 

What's his agenda anyway? Hoping another company will read his statement and think that "Damn, we need to hire that guy, he has insight!"...

"Our" agenda is that companies LISTEN to critics in time, both followers/fans and critique from then inside and not remain opaque to critique, and NOT repeat the same mistakes in MMOs over and over! THAT is our agenda!

Our agenda are GOOD GAMES!

We all want good games.   For many people SWTOR is a great game, and you all try everything you can to silence their voices.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
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11/29/12 7:25:34 PM#18
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

We all want good games.   For many people SWTOR is a great game, and you all try everything you can to silence their voices.

Unfortunately not enough people found it good enough.

Even Vanguard or some zzz MMO will have its following.

Its just that SWTOR is specific because it set some negative records that will be very hard for other MMOs to break :)

The bigger they are...as the saying goes ha ha

  superniceguy

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11/29/12 7:27:35 PM#19
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

I spent several minutes watching credits in game /shakes her fist....

 

Here is a screenshot of LucasArt credits - it's more but that's a beginning of LucasArts credits:

click to enlarge

then it goes for several minuts

and even more minutes...

If you guys want I can make a video shot of it /grin

Actually it says it removes them from the Production credits, not the credits all together, so there could be some credits that were removed.

The first screenshot does show some Production credits, but there could have been more credits, like "Internal Production"?

Without knowing exactly what credits were supposed to be removed, does not lose the OP any credibility.

 

You really want me to make the vidoe of it LOL.

No point, whatever was removed will not be there.

The quote says that the deal would remove them from the Production credits. What Production credits? Your screenshot shows External Production credits, there could various different Production credits, but if the article is right then the Production credits that were removed will not be there!

What was the Production credits that were removed? Internal Production? Some other kind of Production?

If you know exactly what kind of Production credits were removed as fact, and then can screenshot it, then you have a case, otherwise you do not.

The credits go for a long time, it's not a one page stuff. I made a screenshot at beginning, somewhere after few minutes and another later on. And sure there is no way to prove what was removed but also there is no proof that it was removed. LucasArt is still there - and that's what counts.

Again, it does not say that Lucasrts were removed, it says that they were removed from the Production credits, so Lucasarts being there does not count, as only a section of Lucasarts was removed.

If the quote had said "Lucasarts realized the game was going to fail and forced a new deal in 2011 that would remove them from the credits" then you would have a point

 

  Vunak23

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11/29/12 7:28:32 PM#20
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Boldyn

What you got there is nothing more than the muppets you see on these forums who come running along screaming "I told you so!!" and states they said this before the game would launch.

 

I bet you I can make a hundred whiny posts and in a year or so, come back and show you that some of them were right. But I wont, since I have a life...

 

What's his agenda anyway? Hoping another company will read his statement and think that "Damn, we need to hire that guy, he has insight!"...

"Our" agenda is that companies LISTEN to critics in time, both followers/fans and critique from then inside and not remain opaque to critique, and NOT repeat the same mistakes in MMOs over and over! THAT is our agenda!

Our agenda are GOOD GAMES!

We all want good games.   For many people SWTOR is a great game, and you all try everything you can to silence their voices.

Not even EA or Bioware thinks SWTOR is a "great game". Thats why it wentF2P and so many people were layed off or forced to retire. 

 

But yes your right, we all want good games. Its just unfortunate we haven't gotten a quality game since before 2004. BUT, glad you like SWTOR, keep having fun...at least some of us should. 

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