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  nariusseldon

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11/25/12 12:52:44 PM#101
Originally posted by hfztt
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by asmkm22
As far as I can tell, people who are proclaiming F2P as the future, seem to think that means the game is entirely free for them to play, with only trivial restrictions.  Reality can't really live up to that kind of expectation, which is why people are also complaining.

"seem to think that"? you are wrong.

I know pretty much that F2P means that you get a portion of the game up front, then you have to grind, or no access to a large part.

But so what? I can always go to the next game when i can't advance (or it is too slow to do so).

And right there the f2p model failed... If you move on without paying, the game producer dont make any cash, and if they dont earn money on the f2p model it will fail. Its about the money. Whatever they earn most doing they will end up doing.

Right now f2p is successfull be course people who say what you say, actually dont do that. They stay, and they pay. More so than if they only did sub based.

Not really rocket science.

That is why GW2 has a f2p model that makes you pay up front. Best of both worlds. A hybrid if you will.

Were you even paying attention? So what if I don't pay. There is a minority of players, called whales, who pay a lot. If i move on without paying, devs still make money off the whales.

Right now, most players don't pay and this models work for the devs.

  Robokapp

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11/25/12 12:52:49 PM#102
Originally posted by bigsmiff
Originally posted by Robokapp

 

 

Can anyone name one good F2P that they played for years ?

Lotro

that's a P2P game that 'couldn't make it".

 

I was referring to a game that was created for the F2P market from start. not wanna-be P2P quality at F2P prices. that's cheating.

  nariusseldon

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11/25/12 12:54:08 PM#103
Originally posted by Robokapp

the f2p fad has already passed...

 

it's quite obvious. Can anyone name one good F2P that they played for years ?

Why a "good" F2P game has to be played for years.

Dead Space is a great game. I play it for like 2-3 weeks.

I would much prefer a very fun 4 week MMO, than a mediocre 2 year one.

  Cecropia

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11/25/12 1:29:34 PM#104
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Robokapp

the f2p fad has already passed...

 it's quite obvious. Can anyone name one good F2P that they played for years ?

Why a "good" F2P game has to be played for years.

Dead Space is a great game. I play it for like 2-3 weeks.

I would much prefer a very fun 4 week MMO, than a mediocre 2 year one.

I wouldn't play a mediocre mmo for more than a week, if that. I have however played "very fun" mmos for as long as 6 years. Great mmos keep you coming back for more. Hell, we have a plethora of other gaming genres that cater to the "cheap thrills" type of gameplay. When I'm in the mood for that sort of fun, I pick one of those. A well done mmo shouldn't give you a reason to abandon ship in such a hurry. 

The increasing homogenization of the genre combined with a long history of stagnation, doesn't paint a very healthy picture for the future of what could have been something unique in gaming. 

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  nariusseldon

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11/25/12 1:51:51 PM#105
Originally posted by Cecropia
 

I wouldn't play a mediocre mmo for more than a week, if that. I have however played "very fun" mmos for as long as 6 years. Great mmos keep you coming back for more. Hell, we have a plethora of other gaming genres that cater to the "cheap thrills" type of gameplay. When I'm in the mood for that sort of fun, I pick one of those. A well done mmo shouldn't give you a reason to abandon ship in such a hurry. 

The increasing homogenization of the genre combined with a long history of stagnation, doesn't paint a very healthy picture for the future of what could have been something unique in gaming. 

"something unique in gaming"? How can MMOs be somethign unique in gaming when there are so many entries, and millions play them?

I see it as just another genre like FPS, or ARPG. It is as unique as that.

  aWRAY

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11/25/12 1:56:52 PM#106
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by aWRAY

Yes, Free to Play is the future. But do you really think the developers are doing this for the sake of us gamers? Hell no. It's all about the money now. Here is a direct quote from EA CEO John Riccitiello from a stockholder meeting last year.

“When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you’re really not that price sensitive at that point in time."

Free to Play? Yes

Free to Enjoy? Not so much

If you don't enjoy it, why do you play?

I say "Free to play *and* enjoy".

I wouldn't be playing a game if I wasn't enjoying it. And i sure as hell wouldn't play a game if it's a necessity to dip into the cash shop to be on the same playing field as the paying players. 

Based on your posts in this thread, there is no way anyone can convince you otherwise. Enjoy what is to come. 

  Josh007CL

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11/25/12 2:24:39 PM#107

I really don't see F2P being the future since there's no real way to do it right to benefit us players. Take a look at EQ2 for example. You can pay $15 a month, and for what? Most of the content being added is to the store instead of the game. So you spend more time buying content that should already be included since you pay $15.

And look at the fact that you still pay for expansions and all the previous players that payed hundreds on the game and expansions only to be screwed out and have to pay for stuff again (I'm talking about race/class packs).

I would rather buy the game and be able to earn everything by PLAYING it.

  Cecropia

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Poacher killer.

11/25/12 2:28:50 PM#108
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Cecropia
 

I wouldn't play a mediocre mmo for more than a week, if that. I have however played "very fun" mmos for as long as 6 years. Great mmos keep you coming back for more. Hell, we have a plethora of other gaming genres that cater to the "cheap thrills" type of gameplay. When I'm in the mood for that sort of fun, I pick one of those. A well done mmo shouldn't give you a reason to abandon ship in such a hurry. 

The increasing homogenization of the genre combined with a long history of stagnation, doesn't paint a very healthy picture for the future of what could have been something unique in gaming. 

"something unique in gaming"? How can MMOs be somethign unique in gaming when there are so many entries, and millions play them?

I see it as just another genre like FPS, or ARPG. It is as unique as that.

I came into the genre because it was unique. For me, playing in the World of the Warcraft universe on a massive scale was such an exciting prospect, and it certainly delivered in 2004. If it had been just another cheap thrills genre I wouldn't even be posting on this site. I would have just continued playing RTS/FPS games (which I still play) and just left it at that.

This genre offered something that the others simply did not. It's such a shame that it is slowly losing what made it great and morphing into some crap frankengenre that doesn't do anything particularly well, while it's cousins supply quality in spades.

 

 

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  makii

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11/25/12 2:33:56 PM#109

i think many people wish for f2p games, but theyr communist vision of truly free 2 play is like a utopia, wich will never happen.

 

  Aelious

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11/25/12 2:41:45 PM#110
Free to play options are the future as they offer people a chance to play portions without "buying in" to start with. True F2P? That's the future of crappy or shut down games.
  dark3n3dsoul

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11/25/12 2:47:47 PM#111
In my opinion P2P is the way of the future. F2P is starting to lose its momentum. Final Fatanasy XIV is a great game, they should stick with the P2P model because I know that they will be succesful. F2P had/has its time and place. I remember loving Silkroad Online for a very long time and it was F2P. I now play the new Silkroad R, its still alot of fun. So F2P is good at times, and P2P is good at times, all that truly matters is if the game is good. People need to pick a game and stick with it, and believe in it. Kids listen to me, stop hoping from game to game, I remember when i only had like 1 game to play and that brought me the most joy. Oversaturating the mmorpg market is killing everything for everyone. O yea and one last thing, World of Warcraft sucks and it always had, enough said lmao.  

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  Ozmodan

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11/25/12 3:07:00 PM#112
Originally posted by NorseGod

What happened?

 

I see lots of complaints about the "free" games here.

Where do these posters come from?  There is no such thing as a free game.  Every game that lists themselves as free will at some point require you to spend money on it.

  hfztt

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11/25/12 3:42:47 PM#113
Originally posted by Robokapp

the f2p fad has already passed...

 

it's quite obvious. Can anyone name one good F2P that they played for years ?

Passed?

League of Legends

Team Fortress 2

World of Tanks

All designed for f2p, all doing well, for years.

DDO and LoTRO are also doing nicely on f2p although not orginally designed for it.

 

LoL and DDO I have played for years now.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

11/25/12 5:00:48 PM#114

LoL and TF2 are admirable games but not MMOs.

 

WoT ... I debate how MMO it is also. But I can't comment as I haven't played.

 

Games can be F2P. MMORPGs however are a different story. Addictinggames.com is full of f2p games for example.

 

The Only F2P that I played for a long time and was born F2P is Travian. the browser 'queue stuff, take other players' stuff make city, join alliance" type. And it's very far from mainsteam to the point where its an odd exception - and even so most don't like it.

 

 

  Selo

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11/25/12 5:18:39 PM#115

Also, the original players that played Lotro before F2P are saying the game went really downhill after F2P

Just becosue the game has many players doesnt mean its good, just look at WoW (ohno i didnt!)

  worldalpha

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11/25/12 7:11:28 PM#116
I'd love to be able to create a sub-based game, but really F2P is the only way to garner a large enough audience for a small indie.

Thanks,
Mike
Working on Social Strategy MMORTS (now Launched!) http://www.worldalpha.com

  free2play

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11/25/12 8:34:47 PM#117

Damn right I am and don't forget it.

Just to be clear, I have money. I just don't always have time to play so if you want to add grind make it passive so I don't need to waste the 3 hrs I do have to play pummeling some under powered AI for gold or a rock that has a 60 minute mine time to 5 minute craft time.

I prefer subscriptions. It lets me control my spending. I do like free to try but with games breaking 50 GB it's neither here or there if I need to pay $20.00

  Enerzeal

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11/26/12 2:10:05 AM#118

Name me an MMORPG ( I said MMORPG ) that could be called top quality tripple A and I will call you a liar.

Every single sub based game that has failed has gone free to play in an attempt to save it. Every Free to play game that has released has done so poorly.

The true survivors are the games that have remained with a solid sub base for years and years. WoW and Eve are the two best examples. The crazy thing about Eve Online is that it is the TRUE free to play MMO. If you're good enough you need never spend a dime and get everything that others get from item shops and subscriptions, and people do this often.

Any MMO that sticks to cosmetic items only is fine by me, but the moment you limit exp/slots/characters/classes etc I am out.

  VengeSunsoar

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11/26/12 2:26:40 AM#119
Originally posted by Enerzeal

Name me an MMORPG ( I said MMORPG ) that could be called top quality tripple A and I will call you a liar.

Every single sub based game that has failed has gone free to play in an attempt to save it. Every Free to play game that has released has done so poorly.

The true survivors are the games that have remained with a solid sub base for years and years. WoW and Eve are the two best examples. The crazy thing about Eve Online is that it is the TRUE free to play MMO. If you're good enough you need never spend a dime and get everything that others get from item shops and subscriptions, and people do this often.

Any MMO that sticks to cosmetic items only is fine by me, but the moment you limit exp/slots/characters/classes etc I am out.

At least 2 games have gone f2p not because there were failed, weren't making a profit and weren't good games but because the devs believed f2p would make even more money.

Both lotro and EQ2 were/are good games in the black with expansions for years before f2p came along.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  firefly2003

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11/26/12 2:27:01 AM#120
Originally posted by NorseGod

What happened?

 

I see lots of complaints about the "free" games here.

I think its mainly the restrictions that what I call "leechers" whine and moan about, they expect something for nothing or no effort at all, I would assume most of the F2P crowd expect a game to be free with no restrictions at all, problem is how can a studio make a living by letting freeloaders play their entire game completely free? You can't....

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