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  PaRoXiTiC

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Joined: 3/11/08
Posts: 486

11/22/12 10:28:38 PM#41

You don't have to grind for the gear if you don't want to.

To put it bluntly +2 to a stat is not gonna do shit in PvP.

I'm not going for Ascended gear and I'm not mad at all. Stop whining.

  DavisFlight

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11/22/12 10:34:17 PM#42
Originally posted by andre369

I would like to hear some of the reasons why you dislike the new gear.

Whats wrong with having a little gear progression other than legendaries?

Because

a) There are a million better ways to add progression into the game than through stats, which bloat the game and lock out content to newer players.

b) It probably won't stay "a little" for long. Anet promised there would never be a gear grind. Now there's a gear grind. Who is to say they won't continue to add more and more?

  ThomasN7

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11/22/12 10:34:22 PM#43
Originally posted by demarc01

There was always grind in GW2, the thing was it was always optional cosmetic grind. Legendary weapons had the exact same stats as exotic's. People who wanted them were free to spend the time on them knowing full well there was no statistical advantage to them.

Anet said they added Acended as a bridge between the Exotic's and Legendary levels. Fine and all as far as TIME goes, there was no reason however to add a statistical advantage to the gear though. They could have stuck with Infusions (A stat only required to progress in Fractals) and most would have been happy. Adding a gear tier goes against the inital sales spew the buyers were given.

Exoitc's are *pretty* easy to get. They are not *handed* to you at level 80 and there is some effort involved in getting them. There really was no reason to add stats to the Acended gear past the infusion effects to counter the dungeon debuff. Gw1 used this model of no linear progression for 7 years and did fine, GW2 caved after 3 mos.

Thats why buyers are irritated. They were sold a produce with a promise (the manifesto) and feel that promise has already been broken.

You are talking about the Hall of Monument stuff but that was added years down the road. 

  LacedOpium

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Joined: 11/22/12
Posts: 418

11/22/12 10:52:44 PM#44
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

You don't have to grind for the gear if you don't want to.

To put it bluntly +2 to a stat is not gonna do shit in PvP.

I'm not going for Ascended gear and I'm not mad at all. Stop whining.

 

This excuse that players don't have to grind for gear if they don't want to is a tired one that only passes as a response because whoever posts it lacks a better comeback.  The bottom line is that none of us have to do anything in an MMORPG if we dont want to.  Heck, you don't have to get to level 5 if you dont want to either.  You don't have to do hearts, DE's, vistas, dungeons, crafting ... none of it!  You can just sit in Lion's Arch with the rest of the server hamsters yelling "LF!M for FoTM" for that matter.

 

Having said that, for me this is not about the gear grind BS.  It is about the despicable underhanded shenanigans of a company that threw its loyal long time customer under the bus for the sake of a buck.  Currently, players that payed for the game cannot even post in their forums to voice their displeasure without having their posts deleted.  Some are even being banned.  This company does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.  Even those who are, for whatever reason, enjoying the game should be condeming this company for this behavior.  Its a matter of principal.  You should not be turning your head simply because in this particular instance the despicable act did not affect you.  Only the weak and selfish choose to turn their heads and ignore this type of behavior by a company toward its paying customers.  Remember, next time it could be you.  And you know what they say about karma, it can be a b**tch, and its coming for you. 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Icewhite

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Joined: 7/11/11
Posts: 6495

Pink, it's like red but not quite.

11/23/12 2:09:07 AM#45

People say that green jello is green because of poisonous nickel compounds.  zomg!

Do you suppose a company the size of Kraft spends a significant budget on "people say" mythology?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  greenreen

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Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 1440

11/23/12 4:09:28 AM#46
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

You don't have to grind for the gear if you don't want to.

To put it bluntly +2 to a stat is not gonna do shit in PvP.

I'm not going for Ascended gear and I'm not mad at all. Stop whining.

 

This excuse that players don't have to grind for gear if they don't want to is a tired one that only passes as a response because whoever posts it lacks a better comeback.  The bottom line is that none of us have to do anything in an MMORPG if we dont want to.  Heck, you don't have to get to level 5 if you dont want to either.  You don't have to do hearts, DE's, vistas, dungeons, crafting ... none of it!  You can just sit in Lion's Arch with the rest of the server hamsters yelling "LF!M for FoTM" for that matter.

 

Having said that, for me this is not about the gear grind BS.  It is about the despicable underhanded shenanigans of a company that threw its loyal long time customer under the bus for the sake of a buck.  Currently, players that payed for the game cannot even post in their forums to voice their displeasure without having their posts deleted.  Some are even being banned.  This company does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.  Even those who are, for whatever reason, enjoying the game should be condeming this company for this behavior.  Its a matter of principal.  You should not be turning your head simply because in this particular instance the despicable act did not affect you.  Only the weak and selfish choose to turn their heads and ignore this type of behavior by a company toward its paying customers.  Remember, next time it could be you.  And you know what they say about karma, it can be a b**tch, and its coming for you. 

I'm agreeing on your thinking, it is about principal and punishment for speaking up. The punishment for holding them accountable is deplorable. I have noticed that lots of people that used to post on the forum now aren't. Having been banned myself I can imagine that they either got that fate or simply gave up. These were people that posted over 3 times on the subject, usually the first was shock, the second was trying to bargain and say what they would accept to stay and the final was either please talk to us or I'm thinking about leaving now. Their voices are silent now, either they were squelched or gave up - it's not possible to tell but knowing that I got banned and I watched some of their legit posts being deleted. I have to believe that the more likely lex parsimoniae route is that they were shut up and told to move on because I saw and experienced evidence of that.

 

 

First off, the person you are responding to is misinformed and that's what weakens their entire argument that it doesn't impact anything.

There is no stat difference of only +2.

This image shows a side by side comparison of the orange gear to the new pink gear.

In this example there is a +10 stat difference and +3% magic find difference.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Ascended_example.png

Add in that someone can get the infusion slot filled with another +5 stat increase.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precise_Infusion

This is just one of 3 new items that will eventually become a whole set.

So, generically multiply that  (average) +15 stats * 14 pieces of gear = +210 stat difference (guesstimate because there is no full set to see yet). It's rumored that there will be weapons too, that would be either 1 or 2 more slots to add on.

To get 210 points in traits costs 21 points - for reference there are only 70 trait points that a lvl 80 character has. That's the impact it makes even if you don't know about playing the game or don't play.

You can see that it gives great advantage.

 

 

One of my red flags was that infusion slot, if the point of it was to make a mechanic that was "dungeon only gating", why add the stats. I know why, so that as you increase your agony you also increase your stats passively. They could have released it with 0 stat changes and just the agony. The addition of the stats is proof that the intention is get more stats as you gain more agony which is deeper areas of the dungeon. Stat increase coupled with a gating technique, is this not traditional gear grinding, does it matter if you call it a socket or an infusion? It's blatant.

 

 

 

In W3 especially it will be something that they have to work toward getting to stay competitive.

Since W3 is always an afterthought and there is no way to get the items in W3.

Again, like people mention, it went from "open ended do whatever you want in end game" to ... go dungeon grind for this gear.  The longer they wait to introduce the gear to W3 the longer it will take for people to get it.

W3 already has a major issue with invisible players that they claim they haven't had a fix for in over a month of the game's 3 month history. What do you consider more important, pushing out ascended gear versions for W3 or making invisible players show? These are delays that they brought on by not releasing everything like they used to, when it was ready.

My personal opinion is that they won't release a W3 version until 6 mos. or more from now. I think they will be slow because they have been slow on most of the other W3 changes. There has to be more priority for invisible people vs extra stats.

There is deception in saying do whatever you want in end game to ... do what I want you to do in end game. Right now for W3 people the game is absolutely - do what I want you to do in end game ... if you want to compete.

 

 

 


 

  mazut

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/23/08
Posts: 826

11/23/12 4:18:20 AM#47

Ascended gear is only neded if you intend to do higher scales in Fractal of the Mists. Level 10+. Farming just for the stats is not worthy. Farming for challenge is different story.

  KhinRunite

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Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

11/23/12 4:23:54 AM#48
Originally posted by greenreen
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

You don't have to grind for the gear if you don't want to.

To put it bluntly +2 to a stat is not gonna do shit in PvP.

I'm not going for Ascended gear and I'm not mad at all. Stop whining.

 

This excuse that players don't have to grind for gear if they don't want to is a tired one that only passes as a response because whoever posts it lacks a better comeback.  The bottom line is that none of us have to do anything in an MMORPG if we dont want to.  Heck, you don't have to get to level 5 if you dont want to either.  You don't have to do hearts, DE's, vistas, dungeons, crafting ... none of it!  You can just sit in Lion's Arch with the rest of the server hamsters yelling "LF!M for FoTM" for that matter.

 

Having said that, for me this is not about the gear grind BS.  It is about the despicable underhanded shenanigans of a company that threw its loyal long time customer under the bus for the sake of a buck.  Currently, players that payed for the game cannot even post in their forums to voice their displeasure without having their posts deleted.  Some are even being banned.  This company does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.  Even those who are, for whatever reason, enjoying the game should be condeming this company for this behavior.  Its a matter of principal.  You should not be turning your head simply because in this particular instance the despicable act did not affect you.  Only the weak and selfish choose to turn their heads and ignore this type of behavior by a company toward its paying customers.  Remember, next time it could be you.  And you know what they say about karma, it can be a b**tch, and its coming for you. 

I'm agreeing on your thinking, it is about principal and punishment for speaking up. The punishment for holding them accountable is deplorable. I have noticed that lots of people that used to post on the forum now aren't. Having been banned myself I can imagine that they either got that fate or simply gave up. These were people that posted over 3 times on the subject, usually the first was shock, the second was trying to bargain and say what they would accept to stay and the final was either please talk to us or I'm thinking about leaving now. Their voices are silent now, either they were squelched or gave up - it's not possible to tell but knowing that I got banned and I watched some of their legit posts being deleted. I have to believe that the more likely lex parsimoniae route is that they were shut up and told to move on because I saw and experienced evidence of that.

 

 

First off, the person you are responding to is misinformed and that's what weakens their entire argument that it doesn't impact anything.

There is no stat difference of only +2.

This image shows a side by side comparison of the orange gear to the new pink gear.

In this example there is a +10 stat difference and +3% magic find difference.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Ascended_example.png

Add in that someone can get the infusion slot filled with another +5 stat increase.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precise_Infusion

This is just one of 3 new items that will eventually become a whole set.

So, generically multiply that  (average) +15 stats * 14 pieces of gear = +210 stat difference (guesstimate because there is no full set to see yet). It's rumored that there will be weapons too, that would be either 1 or 2 more slots to add on.

To get 210 points in traits costs 21 points - for reference there are only 70 trait points that a lvl 80 character has. That's the impact it makes even if you don't know about playing the game or don't play.

You can see that it gives great advantage.

 

 

In W3 especially it will be something that they have to work toward getting to stay competitive.

Since W3 is always an afterthought and there is no way to get the items in W3.

Again, like people mention, it went from "open ended do whatever you want in end game" to ... go dungeon grind for this gear.  The longer they wait to introduce the gear to W3 the longer it will take for people to get it.

W3 already has a major issue with invisible players that they claim they haven't had a fix for in over a month of the game's 3 month history. What do you consider more important, pushing out ascended gear versions for W3 or making invisible players show? These are delays that they brought on by not releasing everything like they used to, when it was ready.

My personal opinion is that they won't release a W3 version until 6 mos. or more from now. I think they will be slow because they have been slow on most of the other W3 changes. There has to be more priority for invisible people vs extra stats.

There is deception in saying do whatever you want in end game to ... do what I want you to do in end game. Right now for W3 people the game is absolutely - do what I want you to do in end game ... if you want to compete.

 

 

 


 

Just so you know ANet has multiple teams assigned to specific aspects of the game. They don't hold off their Living World team's milestone just because the Live Response team isn't done with theirs yet.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-outlines-guild-wars-2-live-game-development/

 

  PaRoXiTiC

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Joined: 3/11/08
Posts: 486

11/23/12 8:15:57 AM#49

I guess the crying will just never stop. If the gear was used in sPvP that would be a problem, but the only PvP the gear can be used in is WvWvW. You can be effective in WvWvW at lvl 1 with no gear at all, so who gives a bakers if someone has ascended gear?

It's not like you are gonna be doing any 1 vs 1 in WvWvW, and if you are then you are not contributing to your team because you are running around like an idiot and you just happen to run into another idiot.

Its gear progression to run a more challenging dungeon. Not a damn thing wrong with that. These stats are not gonna give you any significant advantage in WvWvW PvP if you are playing WvWvW to its true purpose.

  TiiKii

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11/23/12 8:24:18 AM#50
Why does this NOT surprise me? It seems to happen to all MMO's at some point in time :(

"Huntress"

  Hedake

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Joined: 8/27/12
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11/23/12 8:31:14 AM#51
It was always a gear grind, now its just more apparent (see kill mobs for karma to buy gear)
  Tawn47

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11/23/12 8:35:46 AM#52
Originally posted by andre369

I would like to hear some of the reasons why you dislike the new gear.

Well I write as a disgruntled player, but not one who is going to ragequit over this matter.

Whats wrong with having a little gear progression other than legendaries? 

Every post I see here and on GW2 forums, it is just pure QQ with no reasons behind it. 

Thats rather dismissive and unfair.  Some people have explained themselves (others I admit are just QQing)

Do you really want to play a game where there is nothing to play for?

Well I play a game to enjoy it.  Gear treadmills aren't the only way.

I few days before they announced the new gear tier, I said to myself and friends that this game needs something more than just legendary weapons. Suprisingly most of my friends agreed. 

It has clearly been said that they will not be adding new gear tiers every 3 months so whats all the fuzz about?

Well considering that they appear to be going against the original philosophy of the game, how do we know what they say is true?

There is finally a dungeon with REAL rewards in it, and now players have to wine about a good thing? If you dont want to play the new dungeon for the new gear, then dont. You dont need the new gear to play it either so I dont really undestand all this QQ with no reasons to back it up.

Well ascended gear is more powerful than exotic gear.  It doesn't matter to me how small a difference - it gives an edge.  I, like others, want that edge and now I am being forced to do dungeons. I may not want to do dungeons.  As it happens fractals are pretty interesting and ANet did promise that ascended gear would be obtainabe in WvW in the future.  I hope thats true.

Consider this.  What if the only way to obtain ascended gear was through WvW or sPvP?  I think the PvE / Dungeon crowd would be pretty annoyed.

All im saying is that there should be multiple paths to obtain this stuff, because not many of us want to be shoehorned into playing a particular part of the game.

Guess I have to find the sources that people have not found yet. 

People flaming about the event and says ANET has no plans for helping the players that missed the end chest

That deals only with disconnects.  What about people who couldn't make that day due to RL issues?

ANET clearly states that they will not be adding a threadmill.

Great, but as I said before, can we still trust them?  They say one thing, but they're actually DOING something else.

Offcourse you are free to disagree, but would be nice to hear some other reasons than OMG GW2 going wow. 

Id just like to add:  if anyone argues that the power difference between exotic and ascended is small and won;t make the difference in WvW, why then bother with ascended gear at all?  To create progression?  Ok then, why do the players who like dungeons get added gear progression, but the players who prefer WvW don't?

  Gaia_Hunter

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11/23/12 8:42:16 AM#53

I guess some people refuse to realize that others might have different tastes - you don't need to understand the tastes just that they exist.

For some it is impossible to enjoy a MMORPG without progression, for others it is impossbile to enjoy a game where the progrssion is never ending.

One could say GW2 already have progression, with levelling to 80 and a few tiers of gear.

What you need to understand is that the people that dislike never ending progression tolerate progression if the cap is reasonable.

Achieving level 80, decking in exotics is a reasonable progression (and I and others like me wouldn't mind at all no levels, no stats, no different tiers of gear).

Start to add on top of that and it isn't reasonable anymore.

Sure some of you don't care or even enjoy it.

The fact is GW2 was sold to the players as a game catering for those that dislike progression.

There is tons of games that cater for progression players.

If you go to a vegetarian restaurant (no I'm not vegetarian and I don't understand vegetarians either) you expect vegeratian dishes, you will be pissed if they only have non-vegetarian. You also don't go complaining they don't have beef in a vegetarian restaurant.

Sure, the management might decide or reach the conclusion a vegetarian restaurant isn't viable or isn't what they want.

At least change the restaurant sign at the door or stop mixing some scraps of meat in the vegetarian dishes while claiming it isn't real meat.

 

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  LacedOpium

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11/23/12 9:17:29 AM#54
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I guess the crying will just never stop. If the gear was used in sPvP that would be a problem, but the only PvP the gear can be used in is WvWvW. You can be effective in WvWvW at lvl 1 with no gear at all, so who gives a bakers if someone has ascended gear?

It's not like you are gonna be doing any 1 vs 1 in WvWvW, and if you are then you are not contributing to your team because you are running around like an idiot and you just happen to run into another idiot.

Its gear progression to run a more challenging dungeon. Not a damn thing wrong with that. These stats are not gonna give you any significant advantage in WvWvW PvP if you are playing WvWvW to its true purpose.

The factor that you and others are not taking into consideration is the impact that these gear grinding treadmills are having on the rest of the game.  Currently, no one wants to participate in anything else but these dungeons.  Everyone is sitting in Lions Arch spamming "LF1M FoTM."  The rest of the zones are desserted.  That's not what this game was supposed to be about.  There is a reason why the level down-grade functionality was put in place in lower levels. And that was to encourage occassional higher level participation by higher level players.  Wv3 is also taking  a hit as those zones have become less played.  They may have as well change the name of the game to "Guild Wars FoTM" because that is all 90% of the player base wants to do.  You have to see the big picture in the downside of this change.  But of course, you can't, because you like gear grinding.  So enjoy your gear grind!  There is one thing real life hamsters have on the lot of you gear grinders, at least they don't have to pay to mindlessly spin around the wheel their masters give them to keep them busy.

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Scarlyng

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11/23/12 3:18:04 PM#55
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

I guess some people refuse to realize that others might have different tastes - you don't need to understand the tastes just that they exist.

For some it is impossible to enjoy a MMORPG without progression, for others it is impossbile to enjoy a game where the progrssion is never ending.

 

This is the source of all the disagreement over this issue.  All of the rhetoric, the derogatory references (QQ, whining, etc.) stem from a fundamental inability to see other people's viewpoints.  Sadly, this is unlikely to change.

 

Taken objectively, ANet said things about GW2 that allowed them to sell a lot of copies of the game to people who believed them.  Now, after they've collected this money, they appear to be deviating from what they advertised.  This has displeased the people who spent the money based on what was said.  There should be no difficulty understanding this unless you do not want to.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

  Icewhite

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11/23/12 3:31:41 PM#56
Originally posted by Scarlyng
There should be no difficulty understanding this unless you do not want to.

No, every gamer who's spent any time on MMO forums has seen plenty of "zomg they lied to us!" tempests in teapots before this one.  It's a well-practiced and oft-repeated annual event, on some forums.

The "I'll make myself famous leading the rebellion" leaders will have a difficult time rallying their troops on unofficial sites. :shrug:

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  PaRoXiTiC

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11/23/12 3:41:17 PM#57
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I guess the crying will just never stop. If the gear was used in sPvP that would be a problem, but the only PvP the gear can be used in is WvWvW. You can be effective in WvWvW at lvl 1 with no gear at all, so who gives a bakers if someone has ascended gear?

It's not like you are gonna be doing any 1 vs 1 in WvWvW, and if you are then you are not contributing to your team because you are running around like an idiot and you just happen to run into another idiot.

Its gear progression to run a more challenging dungeon. Not a damn thing wrong with that. These stats are not gonna give you any significant advantage in WvWvW PvP if you are playing WvWvW to its true purpose.

The factor that you and others are not taking into consideration is the impact that these gear grinding treadmills are having on the rest of the game.  Currently, no one wants to participate in anything else but these dungeons.  Everyone is sitting in Lions Arch spamming "LF1M FoTM."  The rest of the zones are desserted.  That's not what this game was supposed to be about.  There is a reason why the level down-grade functionality was put in place in lower levels. And that was to encourage occassional higher level participation by higher level players.  Wv3 is also taking  a hit as those zones have become less played.  They may have as well change the name of the game to "Guild Wars FoTM" because that is all 90% of the player base wants to do.  You have to see the big picture in the downside of this change.  But of course, you can't, because you like gear grinding.  So enjoy your gear grind!  There is one thing real life hamsters have on the lot of you gear grinders, at least they don't have to pay to mindlessly spin around the wheel their masters give them to keep them busy.

You are kidding? An MMORPG released new content and everyone is doing it? Son of a biscuit eater... I can't believe this is happening.

We would just rather have no new content to do!!! This is BS!!!!

 

By the way... that was sarcasm. Also, I'm not grinding this gear. I'm fine with my Exotics and Legendary. So that last piece of your post just makes you look like an idiot even more.

  Chingo

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11/23/12 3:51:34 PM#58

I'm not going to judge other people's opinions about the change as they are as valid as my own. However,  I can speak for mysef that the "recent gear issue" did change one of the key principles which drew me into playing GW2 over other games. 

I hope but do not expect this state of affairs to be temporary and that it's reversal will bring back the somewhat unique game I hoped GW2 would be. This, combined with a wish that the rest of my guild will eventually find their way back from the new maze (or whatever the name of the instance was). Kitten have mercy on their souls.

 

  klerken

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11/23/12 3:55:56 PM#59
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I guess the crying will just never stop. If the gear was used in sPvP that would be a problem, but the only PvP the gear can be used in is WvWvW. You can be effective in WvWvW at lvl 1 with no gear at all, so who gives a bakers if someone has ascended gear?

It's not like you are gonna be doing any 1 vs 1 in WvWvW, and if you are then you are not contributing to your team because you are running around like an idiot and you just happen to run into another idiot.

Its gear progression to run a more challenging dungeon. Not a damn thing wrong with that. These stats are not gonna give you any significant advantage in WvWvW PvP if you are playing WvWvW to its true purpose.

The factor that you and others are not taking into consideration is the impact that these gear grinding treadmills are having on the rest of the game.  Currently, no one wants to participate in anything else but these dungeons.  Everyone is sitting in Lions Arch spamming "LF1M FoTM."  The rest of the zones are desserted.  That's not what this game was supposed to be about.  There is a reason why the level down-grade functionality was put in place in lower levels. And that was to encourage occassional higher level participation by higher level players.  Wv3 is also taking  a hit as those zones have become less played.  They may have as well change the name of the game to "Guild Wars FoTM" because that is all 90% of the player base wants to do.  You have to see the big picture in the downside of this change.  But of course, you can't, because you like gear grinding.  So enjoy your gear grind!  There is one thing real life hamsters have on the lot of you gear grinders, at least they don't have to pay to mindlessly spin around the wheel their masters give them to keep them busy.

You are kidding? An MMORPG released new content and everyone is doing it? Son of a biscuit eater... I can't believe this is happening.

We would just rather have no new content to do!!! This is BS!!!!

 

By the way... that was sarcasm. Also, I'm not grinding this gear. I'm fine with my Exotics and Legendary. So that last piece of your post just makes you look like an idiot even more.

been reading this thread and i really fail to see how you can't acknowledge people fears about it turning into a geargrind, not there yet if this is the only time they do it.

but the fact that gear matters in in WvWvW is a fact as stated by yourself a couple of time in earlier posts.

it doesn't matter if they are old posts/beta unless i've missed it it haven't changed that much since then. 

 

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I just wanted to make this thread so that the hardcore "Gear Grinders" unlike myself know that it is still part of the game. They did not remove it completely. Once you bust down a castle wall and get into the all out brawl with the other guild your gear will matter in WvWvW.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

From my understanding in this Beta, you get to take whatever gear you have earned into World vs World PvP. Yes, everyone is maxed to level 80, but your gear still comes into play. There were some points where I had 25K health in one build and 19K Health in another build.

I recieved a weopon from a World Event Boss that I brought over to World vs. World vs World and it hit considerably harder on enemies than my panzi greatsword I had to begin with. I also bought a bow using Karma that hit 100-150 points harder than my starter bow. I tested these specifically to see if gear mattered and it does.

So from what I understand there is without a doubt a gear grind part of this game for all those who love to gear grind. If you PvP in World v World v World you will have an advantage if you have some badass gear.

I just wanted to clear this up, because I think people are confused.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Originally posted by Raserei

Yeah, you equip that sword... You get those spells.... Then....? And then??? Hmmmmm... Oh yeah, gear doesnt matter.... The entire game you are the same as the moment you unlocked your 5 spells.

 

zzzzz Sleeping......

 

And PvP..... Literally, 1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5....... Faceroll fever!   Faceroll fever! Faceroll fever!

 Actually if you play WvWvW like I do then gear DOES matter.

Me= 1

You= 0

 

  LacedOpium

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11/23/12 5:59:16 PM#60
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I guess the crying will just never stop. If the gear was used in sPvP that would be a problem, but the only PvP the gear can be used in is WvWvW. You can be effective in WvWvW at lvl 1 with no gear at all, so who gives a bakers if someone has ascended gear?

It's not like you are gonna be doing any 1 vs 1 in WvWvW, and if you are then you are not contributing to your team because you are running around like an idiot and you just happen to run into another idiot.

Its gear progression to run a more challenging dungeon. Not a damn thing wrong with that. These stats are not gonna give you any significant advantage in WvWvW PvP if you are playing WvWvW to its true purpose.

The factor that you and others are not taking into consideration is the impact that these gear grinding treadmills are having on the rest of the game.  Currently, no one wants to participate in anything else but these dungeons.  Everyone is sitting in Lions Arch spamming "LF1M FoTM."  The rest of the zones are desserted.  That's not what this game was supposed to be about.  There is a reason why the level down-grade functionality was put in place in lower levels. And that was to encourage occassional higher level participation by higher level players.  Wv3 is also taking  a hit as those zones have become less played.  They may have as well change the name of the game to "Guild Wars FoTM" because that is all 90% of the player base wants to do.  You have to see the big picture in the downside of this change.  But of course, you can't, because you like gear grinding.  So enjoy your gear grind!  There is one thing real life hamsters have on the lot of you gear grinders, at least they don't have to pay to mindlessly spin around the wheel their masters give them to keep them busy.

You are kidding? An MMORPG released new content and everyone is doing it? Son of a biscuit eater... I can't believe this is happening.

We would just rather have no new content to do!!! This is BS!!!!

 

By the way... that was sarcasm. Also, I'm not grinding this gear. I'm fine with my Exotics and Legendary. So that last piece of your post just makes you look like an idiot even more.

*laughs*

 

I merely pointed out the effect that the gear grind hamster treadmill is having on the game.  And yes it is understood that it is new content.  The fact of the matter is that new content has been introduced before, and new content could have been introduced this time, that would have enriched *all* of the areas instead of introducing a gear grind hamster treadmill that only served the purpose of funneling everyone into a dungeon treadmill to the detriment of the rest of the game. 

 

BTW, don't you just love posters who respond to posts histerically calling people names?  It just means there must have been some truth in the post being responded to.  Particularly since it did not even dawn on the poster that there is no greater idiot than one who responds all butthurt over a post that did not even apply to him, since he supposedly wasn't one of the ones grinding the gear. 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

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