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General Discussion  » Is Blizzard lying about WoW Sub #s ?

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  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
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11/23/12 7:46:25 AM#41
Originally posted by chilliz

This is a company the clearly definwhat they use to describe as a sub.   What other company choeses to disclose player loasses of 600k a quarter?  They have shown gains and loses. Do you have a problem with that?

 

 

Actually for most companies loosing 600K players in a quarter would bring them below sustainable playerbase... So actually most of them would actually have to tell the world about it. =P

 

But i agree most companies does not willingly talk about losing that kind of % of customers. CCP did when they botched up Eve a while back but other then that retentionrates are fairly mutch hush-hush

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This have been a good conversation

  dimnikar

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11/23/12 7:48:06 AM#42

And the "2,7 out of 10 mil bought mop" argument is insanely stupid.

People still play COD1 through 8, even though 9 (BLOPSII) is out. Those people aren't playing COD, then? Eventually the numbers shift to the newer releases (when prices go down, enough friends switch, etc). Same thing.

 

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  dreamsofwar

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11/23/12 7:55:49 AM#43
I don't know if the maths is wrong, but what I do know is that 2 - 3 million actual subscribers is still much, much more than any other on the market.
  deniter

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11/23/12 8:12:56 AM#44

Every time a gold farmer's account is banned the farmer creates a new one. So, if he was banned only once he's counted as 2 subscriptions for that month.

I think you can do the math if several farmers are banned more than once within a month...

  Ballsout

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11/23/12 8:23:14 AM#45
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  Slampig

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Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

11/23/12 8:26:03 AM#46
The game is 8 years old, does it really matter anymore?

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  User Deleted
11/23/12 8:27:08 AM#47
Originally posted by Divion

Is this crazy, or what  ? : http://www.examiner.com/article/world-of-bullcrap-uncovering-the-bad-math

 

Does kinda make you wonder why MoP sales # are so far behind the alleged active sub numbers

it might actually be true :)

  User Deleted
11/23/12 8:28:50 AM#48
Originally posted by deniter

Every time a gold farmer's account is banned the farmer creates a new one. So, if he was banned only once he's counted as 2 subscriptions for that month.

I think you can do the math if several farmers are banned more than once within a month...

they get banned .they appeal the decision and win back their account . i personally know a person who is a gold farmer and he won back his account three times 

  jungleninja

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 214

11/23/12 8:47:39 AM#49
Of course Blizzard is lying. Its obvious they lost a whole lot of players with the coming of Guild Wars 2. We all know its true, but Blizzard wants us to believe different. Not for nothing they are loosing alot of income. Its because they dont have payers.
  kitarad

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Joined: 12/17/10
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11/23/12 8:56:48 AM#50
How can anyone be that silly to think that every past subscriber would buy MoP. I did not and still played. 

  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
Posts: 7769

Logic be damned!

11/23/12 9:11:47 AM#51

Even if they were lying about 3/4ths of the sub numbers, they'd still be the most popular MMO in the West.

Oops?

Now Playing: Destiny, WoW

  Nadia

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11/23/12 9:23:44 AM#52
Originally posted by dimnikar

Blizzard counts anyone who's payed for access "in the last 30 days" from the announcement. That means that everytime they announce their player numbers,  that many payed for access in the last month.

agree - thats everything in a nutshell

 

it would be helpful if Blizzard broke out what % of subs was game room expense but Blizzard at least states they count monthly gameroom time among their subs

 

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443926

Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

11/23/12 9:29:31 AM#53

First,

This is a blog; not an article. Well, written; but things like spelling 'without' as 'with out' is a product of a spell checker, not an edited article from the Examiner.

Second,

Why would just under 1/3 buy the expansion?

A. Those numbers are old; you have not included the sales from the second week to this day. Cataclysm is still on the shelf in Target for god sakes and so is MOP. The number is surely higher for the expansion sales now.

B. As you can find on these forums everyday; WoW has lots of kids. Kids who's parents limit their playtime to the weekends or some similar parameter.  Kids who therefore aren't the highest level. I.E., Kids who don't need the expansion because they are lvl 45. Kids who's parents are buying them MoP for Xmas and are tired of the constant nagging they've received from these kids saying, 'i don't know why your orc isn't good enough, why do you need a panda?' or 'you'll have to wait for xmas, and if I here anymore of this, you won't get it then.'

 

Finally,

Let's say this blog is right. Let's say that WoW has 3 to 4 million 'actual' players.

It is still the largest, most influential mmo ever made; and no one has come close to their subscription numbers.

It isn't like this is a scandal which brings WoW down to the level of EQ2 or Rift - it would bump it from its #1 spot. All the way down to the #1 slot - with millions more subscribers than the competition.

Proving WoW has less than 10 million subs does absolutely nothing to the face of gaming.

And this blog does not prove it.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
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11/23/12 9:31:52 AM#54
Originally posted by Divion

http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/07/wow-pandaria-1-million-concurrent-players-in-china/

 

Claims the market had 1 million peak at one point.

 

Heres the issue, that article claims subs above 10 mill, but only 2.7 million copies of POM sold.. (Outside of chinese markets)

 

How does 2.7 out of 10 buy an expansion.

 

Whats more likely, that 7.3 million people like the old content, and don't want the expansion, atleast not yet

or the 10 million subs are a flat out lie.

 

I'm thinking the latter over the former.

 

 

concurrent means they were logged it at the same time.  Generally (after a game has been released for a while) mmos don't have more than 20% of their population logged in concurrently.  That would put their Asian numbers between 5 and 6 million(ish) which would mean that about 60 percent or so of their customer base is in the Eastern market that pays hourly instead of monthly which sounds about right.

Edit:  Also many of the Asian countries (including china) get the expansions for free.  So they wouldn't be included in the numbers sold anyway.

  Zorgo

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Joined: 12/05/05
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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

11/23/12 9:36:02 AM#55
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by dimnikar

Blizzard counts anyone who's payed for access "in the last 30 days" from the announcement. That means that everytime they announce their player numbers,  that many payed for access in the last month.

agree - thats everything in a nutshell

 

it would be helpful if Blizzard broke out what % of subs was game room expense but Blizzard at least states they count monthly gameroom time among their subs

 

http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/press/pressreleases.html?id=2443926

Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers

So ..............

This is your PR pitch from Blizzard:

You: WoW has 3 to 4 million subscribers.

Blizzard: But we have 6 to 7 million playing in game rooms.....

You: Those people don't count. 

Blizzard: Why not?

You: They aren't real gamers, I believe it is smart to discount them and pretend they don't exist. I mean, they are playing the game, but in a game room for god's sake......we don't want to associate ourselves with that.

Blizzard: Uh........

You: It wouldn't be fair to all the other games that don't have millions and millions playing in game rooms. We want to provide a picture that we are on par with our competition, not beating it.

Blizzard: And you say you got a degree in PR right? I think we'll be mailing your severence check....pack your things.

____________________________________

This is the most shortsighted analysis of WoW I've seen. 

Do you have any idea how many people access WoW through game rooms? No.

But you assume these are the phantom numbers bridging the 3 million to the 10 million.

If Blizzard actually has 7 million people accessing the game each month through game rooms each month..... would you really not talk about these people in a press release? 

What is your implication? They aren't real players? They don't play much? 

I'm telling you right here and now. If you had a game with 7 million accessing it a month through a game room, you would advertise it. You would be proud of the numbers. You would want the world to know that you have 7 million players each month accessing your game. 

So why exactly would this be a deception on the part of Blizzard? 

 

  Muppetier

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11/23/12 9:36:16 AM#56
Originally posted by Divion

Is this crazy, or what  ? : http://www.examiner.com/article/world-of-bullcrap-uncovering-the-bad-math

 

Does kinda make you wonder why MoP sales # are so far behind the alleged active sub numbers

 

You really should make it clear that you wrote that article.

  User Deleted
11/23/12 9:44:22 AM#57
Lets just assume blizzard is lying about FIVE MILLION SUBCRIBERS, yup, five million subs, just gone. What's different? They're still in a VERY comfortable first place, the most subbed game next to is well below the 1mil mark, making this conspiracy pointless.

Wait a minute...oh my god, what if ALL wow subscribers don't even exist? omg!
 
  Zorgo

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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

11/23/12 9:45:08 AM#58
Originally posted by Muppetier
Originally posted by Divion

Is this crazy, or what  ? : http://www.examiner.com/article/world-of-bullcrap-uncovering-the-bad-math

 

Does kinda make you wonder why MoP sales # are so far behind the alleged active sub numbers

 

You really should make it clear that you wrote that blog.

Fixed.

  volvoxaureus

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11/23/12 9:50:18 AM#59

  volvoxaureus

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11/23/12 9:51:33 AM#60
Originally posted by jungleninja
Of course Blizzard is lying. Its obvious they lost a whole lot of players with the coming of Guild Wars 2. We all know its true, but Blizzard wants us to believe different. Not for nothing they are loosing alot of income. Its because they dont have payers.

Good joke man !!! :)):))

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