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  AwDiddums

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11/22/12 12:07:13 PM#41

Sounds to me the OP is trying to talk up the share price of Funcom, I hope for their sake they aren't employed by Funcom, now that would be stupid and ofc highly illegal.

 

 

  Kuppa

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11/22/12 12:30:35 PM#42
@pogg
It doesn't matter how big the player base is if it didn't meet expectations and to no surprise since their numbers are very small for a new AAA MMO. F2p is viewed as taboo by some but good by others. It doesn't necesarily need to be f2p it could be b2p. The idea I'd to bring in more players.


  Po_gg

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11/22/12 12:53:01 PM#43
Originally posted by Kuppa
@pogg
It doesn't matter how big the player base is if it didn't meet expectations and to no surprise since their numbers are very small for a new AAA MMO. F2p is viewed as taboo by some but good by others. It doesn't necesarily need to be f2p it could be b2p. The idea I'd to bring in more players.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against f2p... But with AoC Funcom made one of the worst f2p models in the market, and likely they'll implement something similar in TSW if they choose to switch it. I'm just saying, such a model won't bring in new players, just like it didn't brought in AoC, and probably Funcom see it the same way, based on that interview.

A b2p model (since the cash shop is already in place) would be great. But b2p is so far from Funcom (and EA too), that I think it has even less chance than the f2p switch.

  Kuppa

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11/22/12 1:00:30 PM#44
The game won't be able to grow, it may even be more grim than that, if they can't figure out how to get more players.


  JeroKane

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11/22/12 3:09:37 PM#45
Originally posted by fallenlords
Originally posted by JeroKane

The dreamworld engine would be one good reason.

When it comes to MMO's it has grown and evolved to be a hell of a powerfull, MMO dedicated, engine and toolset!

 

I don't see this at all.  The only games running the engine are of Funcom in origin.  It has already been mentioned that couldn't get it to work for the current consoles.  So this to my mind only has value to Funcom. It would be different if it was being utilised by multiple companies to produce games, but it isn't.   Most game companies either utilise an off the shelf engine or develop their own because they have specific requirements. The Dreamworld engine could actually be a liability to the plans for a buyout.  After all you are reliant on in-house technical knowledge to move the company forward. 

 

The company buying Funcom, automatically also gets the rights to Longest Journey and Dreamfall series. Two PC games that were highly succesful and screaming for more to come. Which is actually already happening, as Ragner has started on working on it.

 

Ragnar has already licensed this from Funcom I understood. Hence Dreamfall Chapters and the new company he has setup.   So the rights have already been sold/signed away. You would need to see the contract/full details to see exactly what Ragnar/Funcom have agreed.  But I imagine Funcom as a company would only be looking at some sort of license fee or percentage until the term of the agreement with Ragnar ends.

 

Time and again it has been proven that MMO's don't work on Consoles. Nor are they that popular either. /sigh

But they actually have been trying to port Age of Conan (And thus the dreamworld engine) to XBOX360, but stopped waisting their time with it, because of the DVD capacity and performace limitations. They had to make too many sacrifices to make it work.

There is nothing wrong for a dedicated MMO engine to be PC only. Simply because 99,9% of released and most succesful MMO's to date are still PC only!  So go figure.

 

  rojoArcueid

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11/22/12 3:17:58 PM#46

Perfect World Entertainment should buy them

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  fallenlords

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11/23/12 4:55:30 AM#47
Originally posted by JeroKan

 

Time and again it has been proven that MMO's don't work on Consoles. Nor are they that popular either. /sigh

But they actually have been trying to port Age of Conan (And thus the dreamworld engine) to XBOX360, but stopped waisting their time with it, because of the DVD capacity and performace limitations. They had to make too many sacrifices to make it work.

There is nothing wrong for a dedicated MMO engine to be PC only. Simply because 99,9% of released and most succesful MMO's to date are still PC only!  So go figure.

 

My point is the sale of the game engine is limited.  If the engine was versatile enough to crank out games on other platforms and do it well, then it has some scope.   But other than that you are hamstringed, you can't buy the engine without the people associated to it.  Funcom may state it has taken millions of dollars to develop but a proprietary technology is next to useless to anybody else but Funcom.   You couldn't transplant that engine with any ease to another company without a massive investment in time.

 

As for console MMO's I think you are wrong.  Some of the best selling console games have roots based in MMO gaming.    DC Universe could of worked better if it hadn't been limited to PC/PS3.    From what I have seen of MMO's there is very little reason they could not transfer to console.   The reason it doesn't happen has little to do with console limitations and more to do with the whole process of releasing something to console.   There are tighter restrictions, the versatility for the developer isn't there.
  jayfeeler69

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11/26/12 10:50:46 PM#48
I believe I called this one as well
  Ambros123

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11/26/12 11:35:52 PM#49
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by muffins89
im curious as to why you think EA or Activision would be interested

Because Funcom are the best and most innovative game developers on the planet, also they have the best MMO engine ever developed.

AoC is great, TSW is even better, Anarchy Online was the best SciFi MMO ever and gets a graphic update soon.

I´d buy them if I were Activision.

Or even better DISNEY should buy them, and give them a liscense to make a Star Wars MMO

Ohh give me a friggin break.  If Funcom was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO great then why are they in the shitstorm they are in now?  If a game is really great with great developers then the game would be a good success.  The fact is the game is meh or mediocore or just bland with not so great devs or subpar devs.  Funcom is a sinking ship and I pity TSW with what's to come for the game.

And actually EVE Online is the best SciFi MMO ever and the market is very small of the genre.... isn't it just EVE and Anarchy Online?

  Boldyn

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11/26/12 11:44:06 PM#50

*Giggles*

 

Inside information that it's Activision OR EA and " Sundal Collier is probably the financing catalyst"

 

Well sounds bulletproof to me right there.

  Gishgeron

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11/27/12 12:05:51 AM#51

 

  Normally, I wouldn't post in a speculation thread.  But I do feel that some folks here have serious misconceptions about how business works.  Just because something is profitable does not mean you can keep it above water forever.  There are a very large number of things a company has to consider.  For one, all of your employees will be costing more money each year.  You pay more for insurance, they get raises, 401K costs...ect.  So a thing that creates profit one year might not the next if there are not very sound financial goals and plans set for it.  In an MMO this is very hard because they experience player loss each quarter they are not pushing forward VERY strongly.  WoW handles this brilliantly with expansions every couple years backed by constant changes and additions inbetween.  Things like class and skill changes regularly help keep players interested, if perhaps a little mad.  Change, I think, is the key there.

  A company does not live off just profits.  They have to have a consistently increasing profit margin to offset increasing costs.  Its easy to see.  An MMO company really needs this because the only way to stave off player drop off is to keep a very strong foot forward in pushing content.  So you always need more money to pay for that.  Just making a little money isn't good enough for a business that has stockholders.  They have to justify each end of their company with sound financial gains that grow with them.  A plateu is a bad thing.  If all they can do is create small financial gains with a quick plateu then they actually stand to lose money.  In fact, they WILL lose money.  A buyout at this point would probably barely buy them out of whatever debt they picked up getting investors to fund whatever projects they are on while also paying off and clearing any 401K or other benefit programs they had for their people.

  toddze

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11/27/12 12:15:22 AM#52
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by muffins89
im curious as to why you think EA or Activision would be interested

Because Funcom are the best and most innovative game developers on the planet, also they have the best MMO engine ever developed.

AoC is great, TSW is even better, Anarchy Online was the best SciFi MMO ever and gets a graphic update soon.

I´d buy them if I were Activision.

Or even better DISNEY should buy them, and give them a liscense to make a Star Wars MMO

One day when watching The Universe on the history channel they were talking about alternate dimensions, and how there is infinate dimension with every possible thing imaginable. Please inform me how you have mastered inter-dimension travel as I despriatly want to travel to different dimensions as well. I know you must come from a different dimension because in this one , Funcom is as about as worthless as gum is on the bottom of your shoe.

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  Theocritus

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11/27/12 12:21:10 AM#53
Originally posted by Dahkot72

No they aren't selling. They are doing fine. Nevermind TSW failed horribly in sales according to Funcom themselves , I like the game thus everything is fine and /covers ear nahh nahh nahh nahh.

 

That about cover the head in sand crowd who refuses to see the writing on the wall for Funcom ?

      I always found it odd how people here were saying how great TSW was doing and how it was the greatest game ever, yet Funcom themselves said the game fell almost 500k sales short of expectations and they took a tremendous loss because of it....It sounded like Funcom was struggling before TSW launched and its failure was the final nail in the coffin......I think I'd look more at hiring some of the people Funcom had working on its games, but not sure I'd want any of its games....IMO AO was a great game but is horribly out of date for being competitive in 2012 and beyond.....The mistake Funcom made was never making AO 2.0 which with a nice graphiscs upgrade to the first would have probably have been a big hit.....AoC was all hype and no substance and TSW was just plain bad.

  DSWBeef

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11/27/12 12:26:34 AM#54
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by muffins89
im curious as to why you think EA or Activision would be interested

Because Funcom are the best and most innovative game developers on the planet, also they have the best MMO engine ever developed.

AoC is great, TSW is even better, Anarchy Online was the best SciFi MMO ever and gets a graphic update soon.

I´d buy them if I were Activision.

Or even better DISNEY should buy them, and give them a liscense to make a Star Wars MMO

One day when watching The Universe on the history channel they were talking about alternate dimensions, and how there is infinate dimension with every possible thing imaginable. Please inform me how you have mastered inter-dimension travel as I despriatly want to travel to different dimensions as well. I know you must come from a different dimension because in this one , Funcom is as about as worthless as gum is on the bottom of your shoe.

Thats your opinion. IMO Funcom and Trion are the only AAA mmo devs currently moving away from pure themepark mmos. In tsw they are adding more rp stuff, open world lairs, skills wheel, new setting, and amazing stories. Trion is adding more open world events, rifts, housing, and more. So yes IMO Funcom is the best mmo dev currently. 

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  DSWBeef

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11/27/12 12:29:01 AM#55
Trion should buy them IMO. Or even ncsoft. But please no EA, Activision, or PWE.

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Waiting on: Archeage, Wild Star, Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  toddze

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11/27/12 2:08:38 AM#56
Originally posted by DSWBeef
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by muffins89
im curious as to why you think EA or Activision would be interested

Because Funcom are the best and most innovative game developers on the planet, also they have the best MMO engine ever developed.

AoC is great, TSW is even better, Anarchy Online was the best SciFi MMO ever and gets a graphic update soon.

I´d buy them if I were Activision.

Or even better DISNEY should buy them, and give them a liscense to make a Star Wars MMO

One day when watching The Universe on the history channel they were talking about alternate dimensions, and how there is infinate dimension with every possible thing imaginable. Please inform me how you have mastered inter-dimension travel as I despriatly want to travel to different dimensions as well. I know you must come from a different dimension because in this one , Funcom is as about as worthless as gum is on the bottom of your shoe.

Thats your opinion. IMO Funcom and Trion are the only AAA mmo devs currently moving away from pure themepark mmos. In tsw they are adding more rp stuff, open world lairs, skills wheel, new setting, and amazing stories. Trion is adding more open world events, rifts, housing, and more. So yes IMO Funcom is the best mmo dev currently. 

Oh they are moving away from MMO's in genral. Soon they might master the art of giving everyone their own instance! Then they might be able to pull off a good game like skyrim, where you really do have your own world to run around in. Funcom is a joke of an MMO developer. If you enjoy their online RPG's good for you. But a good MMO develpoer? Dont make me laugh to hard.

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  LuckyDucky

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11/30/12 12:57:00 AM#57

Really? Funcom is going on the auction block? First I have heard of this.

Funcom is my favorite MMO developer. They have a great MMO game engine with Dreamworld and  some great IP's. Funcom is the only major league MMO developer offering something like an alternative to the high fantasy, WoW template games we seem to be awash in.  I hope whoever buys them keeps the devs on because they have some vision and talent and the willingness to push the boundaries of current MMO fare. I haven't played AO or TSW, but I am a fan of AoC and I want to see it continue to expand and grow. Here is hoping all goes well if this sale rumor really comes to pass, and the buyer has lots of cash and are willing to put  some into Funcom's great MMO's !

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  ShakyMo

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12/12/12 5:18:12 AM#58
Sony have the best mmo engine
  korvass

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12/12/12 5:19:20 AM#59

Always makes me laugh when people bad-mouth Funcom.

They've been around forever. AO is *still* online. So is AoC. They made TSW. A very ambitious project considering the market's current trend towards WoW clones.

Say what you want, but these guys are making it happen. And every game they make, whether you like it or not, tries to do something a little different.

For that, I respect them.

How's the RPG gaming god, Bioware, doing? Oh yeah, the company co-founders quit this year..

  ShakyMo

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12/12/12 5:22:23 AM#60
If perfect world bought them it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. They treat their western companies differently - look at runic, they have pretty much free reign. Also pw would be good for selling the game in Asia.

Ea would be much more interfering, its in their nature.
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