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  Torvaldr

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11/20/12 8:16:14 PM#41
Originally posted by eddieg50

   I enjoy the game, in fact I guess sony did a good job with the F2P because I will be subbing again, for one month anyway

Interesting since SoE has nothing to do with TOR.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Presbytier

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11/20/12 9:37:01 PM#42
Originally posted by meddyck
They should have just followed what Arenanet did with GW 2 and made the game buy to play. They could then have charged for xp boosts, cosmetic gear, new species, extra character slots, and other stuff that players would have been fine with paying for. Having to pay to unlock the standard number of quickbars, the ability to hide headgear, the ability to wear purple gear, and the ability to display titles is just insulting.

I agree with this; although i do not feel that they could have after charging a sub for so many months. I don't believe F2P is the way to go at all, but the B2P model looks the most convincing. In fact I feel SWTOR would have been as succesful as GW2 if it went that route. SWTOR is a good game, but sub based games or just not where the market is heading.

"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
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  kb056

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11/20/12 11:23:20 PM#43

Game was abandoned within less then a month after release. The most hyped game for 7 years.

 

It failed, there is no reviving it. There is no saving it. It's over.

 

Star Wars Online died the moment SWG died.

  bpraswid

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11/20/12 11:28:53 PM#44
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe
  Isilendis

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11/20/12 11:29:30 PM#45
I don't like the SWTOR "F2P" option, if you could even call it like that. Basically what they did is strip the game to the bare minimum and just leave the story so it looks like you get something, but you actually got nothing. If i wanted to play "story" i would just replay KOTOR and KOTOR 2 again. The game has an insane amount of restrictions. It's like someone created a first person shooter but removed all the weapons for "free users". It's like humanity has forgotten the meaning of the word free. All in all this is "Pay or GTFO" option.
  Gaborik

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11/20/12 11:38:56 PM#46
The ones who say OMG 2 action bars hate the game already and will never fill one. Theses same people who say OMG only 2 character slots will never get one to 50. The game is full and lots of fun right now for some. Some spend $14.99/month some are doing it free. There are some who before this game was released called it crap, shit, a heap, dead, horrible its clear these same people are back. Why spend so much time and energy trying to bash something others enjoy? The mmo market is flooded with games go find one and play it. Whining and crying this one is "not free enough" is pathetic.
  Gaborik

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11/20/12 11:41:23 PM#47
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe

 

Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.
  User Deleted
11/21/12 12:07:47 AM#48
Originally posted by Naral

They need to look at the PS2 F2P model. As much as SOE can screw over the customer, their free to play model for PS2 is actually pretty good. 

Just make progress slower if you are unwilling to pay for the game. Say, cut xp in half unless you pay or something.

Charging for hotbars and sprint? That is going to do nothing but drive people away. Hell, if they changed up the game a bit I might go back, even as a subbed member, but this plan is horrid. It reeks of what it is: fleecing the last dollars out of a failed game.

ps2 model sucks eyeballs

  jonathon82

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Joined: 11/27/08
Posts: 21

11/21/12 12:07:57 AM#49
Im not even trying to be negative just trying to be honest. I now feel like I was basically robbed for my 60 dollars. I enojed it for a few weeks but stopped playing and hoped it would get better. Instead of trying to make the game better for the players that bought the game and subbed they made it free to play. Not only that but its no better its actually worse. I didnt even complete one quest before I quit. I hoped on my mount thingy and when I tried to jump off I was stuck in that animation then whe I triend t attack it was so delayed and just shit lol  It sucked and Im so disaponited not even for the 60 bucks who cares but for the IP that they ruined. What a fail
  jonathon82

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11/21/12 12:11:33 AM#50
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe

 

Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.
 

why not? If you pay for something you should get your moneys worth. If you buy a car and it is recalled because it fucked up what happens? It gets fixed or you get a new one. Oh and cheer up lifes not that bad :)

  User Deleted
11/21/12 12:12:50 AM#51
Originally posted by eyeqdk

Sorry, but when you have to pay to get use the bedst gear in game, thats called PAY  2 WIN

Free to play, is when you cant pay real cash for better gear, in SWTOR, you have to pay to be able to use epix (or artifact) gear. 

so who ever is paying real money, is always going to be in better gear, no mater how much you farm as free player. (have fun in PVP) 

 

And yes, making game where you have around 20 skills to use, but only can use 10 at at time, is also the dumest thing i ever heard. 

 

Overall, fail of "F2P" model, that is more of P2W model

 

enlighten me with any f2p title that has not got it :)

  jonathon82

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11/21/12 12:15:23 AM#52
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by eddieg50

   I enjoy the game, in fact I guess sony did a good job with the F2P because I will be subbing again, for one month anyway

Interesting since SoE has nothing to do with TOR.

 

no wonder he likes it

  TheOctagon

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11/21/12 12:25:24 AM#53
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe

 

Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.

[mod edit]

SWTORs F2P model is like someone giving you a best selling book, then taking out all the a, e, i, o's and u's. Its there, just impossible to enjoy.

  Gaborik

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11/21/12 12:27:02 AM#54
Originally posted by jonathon82
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe

 

Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.
 

why not? If you pay for something you should get your moneys worth. If you buy a car and it is recalled because it fucked up what happens? It gets fixed or you get a new one. Oh and cheer up lifes not that bad :)

 

Your right, but the game is not fucked up a lot of people enjoy it.
  MMOGamer71

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Posts: 1528

11/21/12 1:03:36 AM#55
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by bpraswid
Former subcriber should be given free cartel points without need to re subcribe

 

Your not entitled to crap in a video game or real life deal with it.

You work for EA?

 

Nope do not. But these pathetic people who have been whining and crying that the game is "not free enough" or want cartel points without paying a whopping $14.99 are a joke.

I just find it odd that you would treat people that have spent $30+ the same as Joe "F2P" Blow. 

  daltanious

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11/21/12 1:56:13 AM#56

In any game I play only on sub model. If game does not have one, does not appeal for me. For reasons of course, not because having so much money. :-)

Never enjoyed so much any game as swtor. Sure wow, rift, gw2, ... are all great. Will be always subbed.

  viney123

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11/21/12 3:03:24 AM#57

After having played as an F2P player for a day or 2 in SWTOR, I am convinced that this model is crap.. I don't have the money to invest in anything other than the necessities right now, and I find it troubling that I can't PM people or openly chat with others unless I pay.

I wasn't feeling those chat restrictions until I hit level 10, which is when the basic chat restrictions take effect.

The spring was also an issue I noticed later on. I compared my speed to that of a subber with Sprint on, and it was huge. Even though I would get it at 15 ( I think, but who knows right?), it does slow leveling down a lot as an F2P player.

The experience restrictions in general also are very harsh..

One game I commend for having the RIGHT business model is North American Aion. I wish other games like SWTOR would pick up this business model, but it seems that the people that made SWTOR invested way too much money into the game to feel good about letting everyone enjoy the game for free and just offer bonuses in the Cash Shop.

Bonuses could include costumes (which they have), removing the ability to buy all species since you'd be removing subber - but allow people to purchase species like they can now, sell advanced appearance change tickets that have extra options when modifying a character's appearance, etc.

So many things could have been done if they chose that model, but they didn't.. Now, I have no real way of enjoying the game or even being treated as an equal in game unless I pay some money which I can't. I hope the guys/gals that made SWTOR learn how bad this 'Harsh Freemium System' really is, and learn not to use it next time.

  LoverNoFighter

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SWG pre cu > all

11/21/12 3:12:47 AM#58
If you wanna make money, release SWG 2.
  RexGarvin

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Joined: 1/12/10
Posts: 25

11/21/12 3:14:09 AM#59
From reading the SWTOR forums I found out that unless you purchase them you will not have action bars in FTP.  This has got to be the dumbest FTP game Ive ever seen.  I was in the process of down loading the game but stopped it.   SWTOR can go f.... them selves for ruining the Star Wars legacy!!!
  JeroKane

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11/21/12 3:20:12 AM#60
Originally posted by viney123

After having played as an F2P player for a day or 2 in SWTOR, I am convinced that this model is crap.. I don't have the money to invest in anything other than the necessities right now, and I find it troubling that I can't PM people or openly chat with others unless I pay.

I wasn't feeling those chat restrictions until I hit level 10, which is when the basic chat restrictions take effect.

The spring was also an issue I noticed later on. I compared my speed to that of a subber with Sprint on, and it was huge. Even though I would get it at 15 ( I think, but who knows right?), it does slow leveling down a lot as an F2P player.

The experience restrictions in general also are very harsh..

One game I commend for having the RIGHT business model is North American Aion. I wish other games like SWTOR would pick up this business model, but it seems that the people that made SWTOR invested way too much money into the game to feel good about letting everyone enjoy the game for free and just offer bonuses in the Cash Shop.

Bonuses could include costumes (which they have), removing the ability to buy all species since you'd be removing subber - but allow people to purchase species like they can now, sell advanced appearance change tickets that have extra options when modifying a character's appearance, etc.

So many things could have been done if they chose that model, but they didn't.. Now, I have no real way of enjoying the game or even being treated as an equal in game unless I pay some money which I can't. I hope the guys/gals that made SWTOR learn how bad this 'Harsh Freemium System' really is, and learn not to use it next time.

The purpose of this F2P model is to make players angry.

EA want this game to die. Fast! So they can call on the clausules within the license agreement with Lucas Arts and shut the game down and so cut their losses.

For EA this game is already a lost cause. Everything just points to this very fact.

If you look at it from EA's perspective, then you'll see this F2P model makes sense.

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