Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by MindTrigger

I'm curious about this, because I did play PS1 for a while, and I've been playing FPS games since they were invented.  When I jumped in to play this game, it only took me a few hours to realize it's all a bit too simple.  I fully admit that I didn't play a lot of it, but I'm still trying to get my head around what the longer-term draw is.

You essentially run around, capture bases, sometimes with a battle, then rinse and repeat.  I had this same feeling with Guild Wars 2 WvW too, where we just ran around and captured bases with no real meaning.  After you do this for several hours, it may occur to you that there are much more interesting things to do with your time.

Am I missing something?  What keeps you coming back to PS2, and what will keep you for the long term?  Capturing bases over and over and over again isn't enough for me.

well, if you actually played the first FPS games lemme return the question to you: what kept you playing those days?

 

i remember, i played those games for fun. we didnt need any dumb rewards that made our chars more powerfull so we could own dem noobs, we just owned them ^^

but that's just me :)

Smaller FPS games are a different animal in my opinion.  In standard 16-64 person games, you matter.  Your individual skill and strategy can have a huge impact on the rounds you are playing in, and that is something not only you can measure, but so can your fellow players on both teams. I think that is much more addictive and fun from a gameplay standpoint, especially if you are better than average at FPS games.

There's also little, if any, down time in those games.  You spawn right into the fight.  The travel to fight in a game the size of PS2 almost feels arbitrary.

I'm not sure the two types of games can be compared.  An MMOFPS is much bigger, persistant and you are dealing with a lot more players.  I personally don't feel like I matter in a game like PS2, nor do I feel like the larger team matters if all we are going to be doing is trading base ownership back and forth ad nauseum.

I realize this is a subjective discussion, but if all PS2 is trying to be is a scaled-up FPS, I'll stick to the smaller ones which do a better job with static capture points.

The Infantry combat is very generic and simplistic, BF3 has a great many faults but its shooting experiance is vastly superior to PS2, if you are someone seeking both infantry and vehecular combat, with system punishing graphics.

On the vehicles in tparticular, again they are very simplistic, I actually watched some footage of PS1 the other day to try and identify the improvements of PS2 in contrast, but upon inspection - and aside from the major graphics overhaul, the mechanics of combat itself seemed incredibly similar, there just seems to be so much lacking in terms of combat improvements, especially when compared with more modern games. ( or even old FPS games like recently "plz install origin" free release of BF1942 have better multi level combat systems)

Another point on vehicles, and aircraft in particular, is that being a pilot in a conceptually similar game; project reality, the role of transporting troops and supplies from base to the front lines is a familiar one to me, and a role I readily looked forward to trying in PS2 especially considering "honest" smeds indication that 10k hr pilots would be rewarded for skill, but as soon as i jumped into a PS2 aircraft the lack of any sembelence of physics, momentum, intertia, low threat of terrain, low threat of enemies, all just made the whole experiance seem pointless, or most likely; designed around the limitations of a playstation controller.....

Upon my big disapointment with the simplistic vehicles, the idea that this is a game designed for the next playstation stuck with me, and as I continued to explore the other aspects of the game it become clear that PS2 is game simplfied in every possible area, its a game for Sony to say; "look what we can do with the games on the new playstation also they are kind of free",

But first and foremost its a game for marketeers, and marketeers dream of 12 year old boys... no not in that way, I mean for thier parents money of course... I think..., anyway they have designed the game (in my opinion mostly to its detriment) so they can tempt them with selling points like; 

"play an fps with 1000s of players at once, you cant do this COD!"

"you suck at COD? NP, anyone can get some kills in this game"

"can't even keep upright on a bycycle IRL? NP,  everyone is a master of the land and skies  with vehicles in PS2"

"Not 12, but want to beat up a 12 year old in a video game? NP, in PS2 lonely adults can use their desposable income to buy a bigger gun, with our "its not play-2-win" shop!"

Hmm I kind of carried away there didnt I?, anyway all in all it is a decent game with some great features, the most important being if your playing as a clan or a group of friends, the class systems with its multitude of roles, means that effectivley working together with your buddies is a blast when your outnumbered but still stomping your enemies. Outside of that limitied scenario, the game either needs to greatly pick up its act in improving the mechanics they have decided to go with, or take a step back and revaluate what the game needs to be a great game and that be spectrum of their objective, as opposed to creating something that is a mish mash of marketing and corporate goals.

i play it because it is fun. i think the main issue that people who are not enjoying the game are having is that they are playing it solo or in a small group. planetside 1&2 is all about executing strategies/tactics in large organized groups. try joining a oufit that can field a full squad and actually execute strategies/tactics and you might find you like the game.

i personally am in an outfit that typically fields an entire platoon during peak hours. each squad fills a dedicated roll such as armor/foot soldiers/air support etc. its a great feeling participating in a group like this and coordinating with all the elements.

Seems like a good game, but I don't see myself playing it. 

I had quite early beta access but I maybe played ~40 hours total?  

For me it seemed like futiristic Battlefield 3 in persistant world and on a bigger scale of course.  Got bored preety quickly. 

Actually I get less bored of arena type FPS like most those games are - Battlefield 3, CoD 4 back in the day,  Enemy Territory, Unreal Tournament. 

What is 'interesting' is that in mmorpg's I really don't like arena's it bores me to tears and I am more drawn to persistant, open world, economy, interdepenancy, immersion, crafting, etc (althorugh most mmorpg's lack this in last years) natures of game.

When game is FPS and fully combat oriented it seems that it totally shift for me and I prefer instanced arena type of competetive gameplay.  

Planetside 2 was my first persistant world first person shooter and Initially I was surprised at my own reaction, now I know or at least suspect why it that, but it was funny to realize that.

Sony gets to cheat in regards to quality of the game.

You see, since everything that happens everywhere is from the people, the people are actually the majority of what makes the agme fun or not. Sony just lets us invent the fun while they go back to monetization.

Epic Large Scale Battles *-*
I left for a month or so- to come back on the final 2-days of the beta. @_@ Cant wait for the 20th! ^_^ >~

I was so attached to games like PlanetSide, Battlefield 1942, Call of Duty 2 & 4, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and SWG, no other game has held me for a long time other than those and I know PS2 won't hold me long and if PS1 goes F2P I'll probably be playing that more than PS2.

I dont understand, studio's make games and many will like it, many will not like it.
Dont like it ? move on, like it ? buy / play it.

What i dont understand is why are you trying to convince people of your vieuw ?
We dont care they dont care no1 cares if you do not like a game.
Why fill up forums with stuff like this.

Just move to a game you like ?

it invokes only fanboys versus haters.

Friends, a good team.. those things keep me playing.

If noone would talk to me or i had no guy to have fun with, it would be quite less fun

but thats the case with any mmorpg, mmofps etc.

In the beginning of the beta I wasen't too impressed with it. I liked the PS1 more. The longer I played PS2 the more I got hooked.

Now I'm counting the ours to finaly play PS2 for real again.

6 more hrs to go!!!

Originally posted by MindTrigger

I'm curious about this, because I did play PS1 for a while, and I've been playing FPS games since they were invented.  When I jumped in to play this game, it only took me a few hours to realize it's all a bit too simple.  I fully admit that I didn't play a lot of it, but I'm still trying to get my head around what the longer-term draw is.

You essentially run around, capture bases, sometimes with a battle, then rinse and repeat.  I had this same feeling with Guild Wars 2 WvW too, where we just ran around and captured bases with no real meaning.  After you do this for several hours, it may occur to you that there are much more interesting things to do with your time.

Am I missing something?  What keeps you coming back to PS2, and what will keep you for the long term?  Capturing bases over and over and over again isn't enough for me.

people like different things.  CoD Black OPS 2 just made half a Billion in sales in the first 24hrs.  a lot of people like fps games.

" As of November 11, 2011, the Call Of Duty series have sold over 100 million copies.^[1] As of March 31, 2012 there are 40 million monthly active players across all of the Call of Duty titles, with 10 million Call of Duty: Elite users and 2 million paying annual members. Over 1.6 billion hours of online gameplay have been logged in the latest game in the series, Modern Warfare 3.^[2] "

Well ,

 I played PS1 back in Ye Olde Days and loved it..It was the team based effort of BF 1942 that got me into team based goal games,  but soon other newer games and major mmo's popped onto the market and stole my attention away from PS1, That being said, I have played the beta of PS2 from virtually the start of beta's and loved every minute of it, I'm not in a squad or team up really, Just another number running into the fray expecting that odd bullet in the head, and that really is my only peeve in PS2... One shot deaths !.. I really hate them.. Full health and shield then... pew ... A la corpse !. After a few insta deaths I tend to log of with a sad frustrated face on.

PS2 does seem to have a semi addictive (need my fix ) kinda thing going on. I play for say 2 hours, earn my certs .. Then just think "ah sod it ..can't be arsed to run around any more " and log off.. Only to log back in 3-4 hours later for another dose. It is fun and I agree with what some guy said above." With friends" it's prob 10 times better. Im waiting for launch but in no rush to race to get or buy every bloody gun or gain all certs.. It's fun and easy play ( Never smacked my mouse down once yet) . thats the truth :D  

Well worth a peek I say..  ** Rules  :)

Eli

Originally posted by MindTrigger

I'm curious about this, because I did play PS1 for a while, and I've been playing FPS games since they were invented.  When I jumped in to play this game, it only took me a few hours to realize it's all a bit too simple.  I fully admit that I didn't play a lot of it, but I'm still trying to get my head around what the longer-term draw is.

You essentially run around, capture bases, sometimes with a battle, then rinse and repeat.  I had this same feeling with Guild Wars 2 WvW too, where we just ran around and captured bases with no real meaning.  After you do this for several hours, it may occur to you that there are much more interesting things to do with your time.

Am I missing something?  What keeps you coming back to PS2, and what will keep you for the long term?  Capturing bases over and over and over again isn't enough for me.

I think ,(well for me anyway), at the end of the day, every game is about doing the same things over and over.

I lose focus of the goal, when it is only temporary, and either a step to another like the hundred before it, or out dated with the next content update.

So that brings me back to FPS MMO's, where combat is not scripted, and the variables are dictated by another free thinking human, as opposed to a MOB or Boss etc, generated by AI.

Yes the gosls are the same, but no pretense is made to give them the illusion of great or lasting importance.

And what is left?

My ability's, and the growth, thereof.

Fun! Fun keeps you coming back and playing. I played Quake for years and years, Nothing to unlock or achive accept for giving someone a rail up their arse and watching their gibs fly! :D

PS2 Is a huge amount of fun just like the 1st one, Can't wait to start blowing things up. NC FTW!