Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by snapfusion

I think if SV from day one just said. Our game is going to be broken and buggy but if you can set that aside there is some fun to be had here then people would see them in a different light.  Just admit what you cant do well, get that otr on the table and people will appreciate the things you do do well.

 

that is what they said pretty much, back in alpha. They also have a free trial.

A competent team should know what it can and can't finish.  No matter what you tell your fanbase, a buggy mess is unacceptable after 3 years.  They should have thought about programming something smaller. Maybe a MUD or something instead of a graphical MMO, which they clearly couldn't handle.

Originally posted by Energyo

Clearly one of the issues is a common mistake with game design and programming. Sometimes you start to plan out things and shoot for goals that you're just uncapable of achieving. You start thinking ooh I can do this, I can do that, oh this will be neat and it's just overly ambitious. Not only that, a lot of these features sound better on paper than in an actual video game.

These are mistakes that first time game developers make, SV's problem is that their first game happens to be a MMO. They should have worked on something smaller scale first then move on to this. With that said they are still here, they are trying and they claim they can continue for like 2 years or something. 

Some people are actually enjoying the game, they want more out of it but people do enjoy the game. It offers a lot of what no other game can offer. Now by me saying that I am not trying to defend MO from all of its faults like some may try to make it seem. I'm only pointing out that people still do enjoy the game, people still play it and the game is still continuing on. I have started playing it again. Unfortunately it is not as good as it used to be (I thought MO around release and beta was great, they fix bugs and they would have done really good) but I am still able to enjoy the game.

The lack of professionalism is definitely something that is very visible to all people especially with the handling of the keep seige being reverted and then changing their minds on that. I and so many other people wish these things would change but we are aware they may not change for quite some time or ever change. But that still does not change the fact that we are still able to find enjoyment within the game. MO unfortunately seems to remain as the best option for a sandbox similar to UO. I am sure that statement will get me all kinds of flak but it's fine. 

So a couple of hundreds that do enjoy the game (and i m being more than generous with the number) know better than several thousands that came, saw and left. Also its a bit hard but its a fact that those couple of hundreds are not capable of supporting a game on their own and its also a fact that i can hardly think of any gamers that could stick with MO for long in its current state and given the fact that SV is handling things with the same arrogance and by practicing the very same foul tacticks they where using since day one.

If you consider MO the best choice out there close to UO then i cant say anything else than i cant find any similarities at all. UO had tones of features and MO hasnt got more than a bunch and even less functional and well designed. Seriously i like fillet with cream and mushrooms but i dont see why i m forced to eat shit with cream and mushrooms just because the restaurants are out of tender meat. I cant understant that mentality honestly.

Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by Energyo

Clearly one of the issues is a common mistake with game design and programming. Sometimes you start to plan out things and shoot for goals that you're just uncapable of achieving. You start thinking ooh I can do this, I can do that, oh this will be neat and it's just overly ambitious. Not only that, a lot of these features sound better on paper than in an actual video game.

These are mistakes that first time game developers make, SV's problem is that their first game happens to be a MMO. They should have worked on something smaller scale first then move on to this. With that said they are still here, they are trying and they claim they can continue for like 2 years or something. 

Some people are actually enjoying the game, they want more out of it but people do enjoy the game. It offers a lot of what no other game can offer. Now by me saying that I am not trying to defend MO from all of its faults like some may try to make it seem. I'm only pointing out that people still do enjoy the game, people still play it and the game is still continuing on. I have started playing it again. Unfortunately it is not as good as it used to be (I thought MO around release and beta was great, they fix bugs and they would have done really good) but I am still able to enjoy the game.

The lack of professionalism is definitely something that is very visible to all people especially with the handling of the keep seige being reverted and then changing their minds on that. I and so many other people wish these things would change but we are aware they may not change for quite some time or ever change. But that still does not change the fact that we are still able to find enjoyment within the game. MO unfortunately seems to remain as the best option for a sandbox similar to UO. I am sure that statement will get me all kinds of flak but it's fine. 

So a couple of hundreds that do enjoy the game (and i m being more than generous with the number) know better than several thousands that came, saw and left. Also its a bit hard but its a fact that those couple of hundreds are not capable of supporting a game on their own and its also a fact that i can hardly think of any gamers that could stick with MO for long in its current state and given the fact that SV is handling things with the same arrogance and by practicing the very same foul tacticks they where using since day one.

 

If you consider MO the best choice out there close to UO then i cant say anything else than i cant find any similarities at all. UO had tones of features and MO hasnt got more than a bunch and even less functional and well designed. Seriously i like fillet with cream and mushrooms but i dont see why i m forced to eat shit with cream and mushrooms just because the restaurants are out of tender meat. I cant understant that mentality honestly.

Well, I can say I have not been throwing numbers out there. I would say it's a safe guess to say that there are only hundreds playing and yes that is probably being generous. As I have previously stated, I'm not going to give you bull shit. There are times you can go from city to city and count a total of maybe 20ish people, not saying there is only 20 people in game but between a few cities that is pretty small. 

It seems that you're interested in arguing with as if I am someone who is trying to say Mortal Online is some great wonderful game with no flaws even though with each of my posts I think I have made myself pretty clear that I am in no way doing that. I think you're reaching a bit when you say there are no similarities between MO and UO. I will admit that there are not a LOT but the similarities are there which is why I had said what I said. No one is forcing anything on you, no one is forcing you to be in these forums, subscribe to the game, follow the game or anything. No one as far as I know is begging you to come back. The issues are most certainly there for MO and the lack of professionalism is something everyone can see. But I don't believe that anyone is trying to use foul tactics in trying to get you to subscribe. I've been following the game since beta and played almost every month from release to now, some of the crap that has been said in the past certainly is something that was not the smartest of moves from SV but to say they are continuing to do the same today is a little rediculous if you ask me. Again, I am not trying to say MO is some great, awesome, best MMO sandbox ever.

Originally posted by Energyo

Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by Energyo

Clearly one of the issues is a common mistake with game design and programming. Sometimes you start to plan out things and shoot for goals that you're just uncapable of achieving. You start thinking ooh I can do this, I can do that, oh this will be neat and it's just overly ambitious. Not only that, a lot of these features sound better on paper than in an actual video game.

These are mistakes that first time game developers make, SV's problem is that their first game happens to be a MMO. They should have worked on something smaller scale first then move on to this. With that said they are still here, they are trying and they claim they can continue for like 2 years or something. 

Some people are actually enjoying the game, they want more out of it but people do enjoy the game. It offers a lot of what no other game can offer. Now by me saying that I am not trying to defend MO from all of its faults like some may try to make it seem. I'm only pointing out that people still do enjoy the game, people still play it and the game is still continuing on. I have started playing it again. Unfortunately it is not as good as it used to be (I thought MO around release and beta was great, they fix bugs and they would have done really good) but I am still able to enjoy the game.

The lack of professionalism is definitely something that is very visible to all people especially with the handling of the keep seige being reverted and then changing their minds on that. I and so many other people wish these things would change but we are aware they may not change for quite some time or ever change. But that still does not change the fact that we are still able to find enjoyment within the game. MO unfortunately seems to remain as the best option for a sandbox similar to UO. I am sure that statement will get me all kinds of flak but it's fine. 

So a couple of hundreds that do enjoy the game (and i m being more than generous with the number) know better than several thousands that came, saw and left. Also its a bit hard but its a fact that those couple of hundreds are not capable of supporting a game on their own and its also a fact that i can hardly think of any gamers that could stick with MO for long in its current state and given the fact that SV is handling things with the same arrogance and by practicing the very same foul tacticks they where using since day one.

 

If you consider MO the best choice out there close to UO then i cant say anything else than i cant find any similarities at all. UO had tones of features and MO hasnt got more than a bunch and even less functional and well designed. Seriously i like fillet with cream and mushrooms but i dont see why i m forced to eat shit with cream and mushrooms just because the restaurants are out of tender meat. I cant understant that mentality honestly.

 

Well, I can say I have not been throwing numbers out there. I would say it's a safe guess to say that there are only hundreds playing and yes that is probably being generous. As I have previously stated, I'm not going to give you bull shit. There are times you can go from city to city and count a total of maybe 20ish people, not saying there is only 20 people in game but between a few cities that is pretty small. 

It seems that you're interested in arguing with as if I am someone who is trying to say Mortal Online is some great wonderful game with no flaws even though with each of my posts I think I have made myself pretty clear that I am in no way doing that. I think you're reaching a bit when you say there are no similarities between MO and UO. I will admit that there are not a LOT but the similarities are there which is why I had said what I said. No one is forcing anything on you, no one is forcing you to be in these forums, subscribe to the game, follow the game or anything. No one as far as I know is begging you to come back. The issues are most certainly there for MO and the lack of professionalism is something everyone can see. But I don't believe that anyone is trying to use foul tactics in trying to get you to subscribe. I've been following the game since beta and played almost every month from release to now, some of the crap that has been said in the past certainly is something that was not the smartest of moves from SV but to say they are continuing to do the same today is a little rediculous if you ask me. Again, I am not trying to say MO is some great, awesome, best MMO sandbox ever.

I see your point and the fact i dont agree with you doesnt mean i am not respecting your way of thinking. Thats why i m discussing with you and not cause i like to argue but cause i respect that you dont jumping in here throwing troll comments, bashing people and throwing insults. I also know that no one is forcing me to do all the things you mentioned but also no one can stop from coming in a gamers forum and discussing about games. The thing is that i did spend countless hours playing MO, reading the forums and i paid a good sum of money to SV by buying one boxed and one digital version and was running both of them on and off. I m entitled to judge MO and SV not only cause i was a paying customer but cause its a game and i am a gamer.

You can be positive on that SV is using foul tacticks to keep people subed and  most common ones are the lies and hype. Myself kept paying them subs only cause i had a tinny hope deep in my heart that they simply had a bumpy kickstart at release and things could only get better since then. Was also thinking that this guy Henrik Nystrom couldnt be such a blatant liar and he had to stick to his word at some point at least. But i was so bloody naive. Henrik Nystrom didnt stand to his word in anything and the game become actually worse.

As it is about my way of thinking that SV keeps on repeating the same crap till the exact moment we speak is ridiculous... really? really? Dont go far. Go few days back in time and have a look at the amount of drama that a student under the nick "Discord" pretending to be a lead GM for a company thats currently out in the stock market created for one good portion of the remaining playerbase and ended losing tenths subs.

Originally posted by Energyo
I'm unsure of what your disagreement with me is. I'm not saying you can't come on here and post what you want nor am I saying that you are not entitled to an opinion on the game. I don't know what you're talking about with someone pretending to be Discord, haven't heard about that one.

My disagreement with you is that MO will not make it back in one piece with decisions like removing half assed features as butchery or horse breading. The main problem behind MO is one totally incompetend team. I dont think that is possible for the team to be changed since the "mastermind" behind the team is the team itself since he is the founder, the main stock holder and obviously the one that covers  all the loses they had so far. So to me at this point theres no coming back and MO can only go down.

Now excuse me for my bad English but i think you pretty much know what i mean. No one is pretending to be Discord. Discord from the other hand whos pretending to be a professional GM created caos as he did in the past again and again but you from the other hand apear to think that me saying that SV is repeating the same mistakes as we speak is kinda ridiculous. Well guess again believing that SV will not repeat the same or similar mistakes in any given opportunity, is ridiculous and naive.

Originally posted by Toferio

Originally posted by deathshroud

Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by w4ffl3
As for me, it's mostly because I think Henrik is a snake oil salesman.  He keeps promising things he can't do, failing to meet deadlines he imposes, and just generally is an incredible failure of a manager.  It's justice in my eyes to see MO doing poorly

You just described the lead of every sandbox game to come out in the past 5 years.

this pretty much

It's a shame that incompetent teams take on such complex games, only to later realize that just a raction of their promises can actually be implemented.

Whenever you hear the phrase "we are building the game we want to play", you can pretty much be certain you're dealing with a bunch of gamers who happen to understand development rather than developers who happen to understand gaming. Therein lies the problem.

I can understand the hatew towards this game, even though people do tend to go overboard with hate directed towards a game.

Some people have been led to belive for years that the game would be fixed asap and its in relativly the same unplayable condition.  I know they have added stuff over the corse of the years but still...

I do think there are quite a few people who do mislead people into thinking the game is great, while that may be true on paper with the features, anyone whos actually played the game knows that this one still plays like an alpha test.

I bought and played this for about two weeks years ago and it was a horrid experience.  I tried again and it was in the same relative conditon some time later.

It does suck that if i want a game like this the most playable and entertaining version is darkfall and i have no other choice. tried all the games like this, dawntide (RIP) earthrise (RIP) Xyson (in worse shape than this game) and  its been Darkfall by a long shot for the last few years. Comparing DF to this and its comeptition is like comparing a highschool project with something professional....and DF had and will have major issues and about the same communty treatment fromt he devs, which is subpar.

Also mechanically i hate how MO has you rolling alts, i know some people LOVE skill caps that reduce options and viablity of character choice....i can stand it and seriously think that i wouldnt be able to enjoy this game even if it was flawless and stable.  I just cant stand the act of rolling alts and logging off then on again on another guy just so i can chop wood and make somethting.  There are far better ways to prevent "solider of one" syndrome without creating the need for me to roll an alt.