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General Discussion  » In order to ban The BOTs, Arena Net decided to ban legit players too!

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  Thane

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Joined: 8/14/03
Posts: 1868

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11/17/12 8:10:43 AM#41
Originally posted by JackFrosty
Its a B2P game, what do you expect. The more legit users they ban the more people have to go buy another copy of GW2. Pure profit for them. They get to clean up the bots and make a tidy profit at the same time with collateral damage.

yea but if you would have actually read the initial post you know how dumb your statement is ^^

trolls gonna troll i guess.

 

 

 

uh, and when there are 4k bans or more there WAS a script running or sth. no one does this manual.

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  Serelisk

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Posts: 845

11/17/12 8:15:43 AM#42
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Amjoco

As far as bots are concerned, they are in every game and innocent people do get caught up in them occasionally. Like someone else said, don't play like a bot and you are fine. NEXT!

Stuff like this is actually starting to piss me off because I didn't "play like a bot" and I wasn't gold selling. My account never even had more than 6 gold at most yet my account has been permanently terminated. 

Like, I understand the OP is blowing it out of proportions but you guys aren't giving any consideration to the players who actually did get caught up in this...

I've been waiting 11 hours now since I initially got banned and no response from ArenaNet. :/

Did you stay in one zone for too long time? Did you keep repeating something very often? Did you dodge badly? Did you play a lot of hours per day? 

Not sure how the last part would indicate me but relatively, no, and I didn't stand in one place. I was in World vs World with my other guildies and we were holding east keep Hills on Yak's Bend borderlands in the new WvW matchup. Like, there was multiple of us sitting there waiting to defend because that's what our guild commander had assigned for us. But I didn't afk at all and was every so often putting up a guild recruitment message as well as talking in team chat. 

Before WvW reset, I was doing stuff in Fractals of the Mists and other Event related stuff like most other people... There was absolutely nothing to indicate that I was selling gold or a bot. 

I even got some suspicious PM minutes before the ban from some random person saying "hi" and I responded saying hey and then he asked how I am and I said fine and then proceeded to ask who he was since I had checked my keg brawl guild roster and friends list by that time and didn't see him. And he's like "idk nobody just someone who liked your name" or something... which isn't as odd as it sounds considering my account has the names "Online", "Offline" and "Plant" so I've received compliments before but it was still strange as heck. 

Also, there was no warning whatsoever that the account was going to be terminated because of misconduct. I'm pretty sure it was just a big mistake on Anets part. There's no way my account of all things was indicated in gold selling. 

  Kalafax

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11/17/12 8:28:49 AM#43
These are typically players who ran around with bots and got reported along with the bots, I have no sympathy for them, its not like they couldnt appeal it and get it lifted, not a big issue, and no reason for you to come on here bashing.

Mess with the best, Die like the rest

  Lucioon

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 840

11/17/12 8:32:13 AM#44
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by rykim86
Originally posted by Hefaistos
It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

LOL.

Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

 

Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

 

TADA!

What you got wrong is that legal does not necessarily mean right. I don't wanna get too philosphic.

Let's just say that, regardless what the EULA says (something that pretty much nobody reads anyway), there are some things that you should not do to your customers. One of the reasons for not doing such things is also a managing one. It's plain marketing. You don't want to build a bad reputation becouse it takes a lot to build a good one and even more to recover it if you happen to loose it.

So, when it's banning time, you want to be careful. Anet did a good job dealing with the bots, and it was a good move, but you still need to be careful with the ban hammer when your game is in such a hot spot as GW2.

The whiners and the rioters you mention happen to have something in common. Both are quite upset about how things are turning out. But I don't want to get into politics either. It's just that some people are tired and disappointed with the present MMO panorama, GW2 is the game that everybody is talking about, you make a mistake and your last good move is quickly forgotten. And that has got nothing to do with EULAS.

Regardless of whether or not there was really thousands of players that got their accounts banned accidentally, because Emails can be forged and without any further information, it could be the same person in different accounts. 

But as long as 1 person got banned that didn't do anything wrong, Arenanet would be at fault, I would rather they do what they need to, even if they have to ban the entire game just to get rid of the botters, I said do it. 

Thats how a game company should be, destroy the botters and the whole community would be better off . 

Its not like they are charging you to play the game, where 24 hours is wasting your money, once you bought the game, you own it, if it takes 24 hours to get your account back and knowing that there will be that much less botters around, as a gamer you should feel great. 

Its gamers today that is making bots and gold farmers win, because there are so many red tape the game developers have to jump through or they get posts after posts of whiners.

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  Serelisk

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Joined: 8/02/11
Posts: 845

11/17/12 8:33:30 AM#45
Originally posted by Kalafax
These are typically players who ran around with bots and got reported along with the bots, I have no sympathy for them, its not like they couldnt appeal it and get it lifted, not a big issue, and no reason for you to come on here bashing.

I was not running with bots or acting like a bot. I haven't even seen bots in a while in the game. I'm still waiting for a reply after submitting a ticket of appeal. I think it's a pretty big issue myself since I'm actually affected by this... 

After putting somewhere close to 10,000 hours in the original Guild Wars, I'm glad to know you have no sympathy for me for being indicated and punished for something I didn't do at all... :/

  Serelisk

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Joined: 8/02/11
Posts: 845

11/17/12 8:39:15 AM#46
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by rykim86
Originally posted by Hefaistos
It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

LOL.

Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

 

Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

 

TADA!

What you got wrong is that legal does not necessarily mean right. I don't wanna get too philosphic.

Let's just say that, regardless what the EULA says (something that pretty much nobody reads anyway), there are some things that you should not do to your customers. One of the reasons for not doing such things is also a managing one. It's plain marketing. You don't want to build a bad reputation becouse it takes a lot to build a good one and even more to recover it if you happen to loose it.

So, when it's banning time, you want to be careful. Anet did a good job dealing with the bots, and it was a good move, but you still need to be careful with the ban hammer when your game is in such a hot spot as GW2.

The whiners and the rioters you mention happen to have something in common. Both are quite upset about how things are turning out. But I don't want to get into politics either. It's just that some people are tired and disappointed with the present MMO panorama, GW2 is the game that everybody is talking about, you make a mistake and your last good move is quickly forgotten. And that has got nothing to do with EULAS.

Regardless of whether or not there was really thousands of players that got their accounts banned accidentally, because Emails can be forged and without any further information, it could be the same person in different accounts. 

But as long as 1 person got banned that didn't do anything wrong, Arenanet would be at fault, I would rather they do what they need to, even if they have to ban the entire game just to get rid of the botters, I said do it. 

Thats how a game company should be, destroy the botters and the whole community would be better off . 

Its not like they are charging you to play the game, where 24 hours is wasting your money, once you bought the game, you own it, if it takes 24 hours to get your account back and knowing that there will be that much less botters around, as a gamer you should feel great. 

Its gamers today that is making bots and gold farmers win, because there are so many red tape the game developers have to jump through or they get posts after posts of whiners.

Woooaahh, are you actually telling me I should feel "great" that my account was "permanently terminated" (which, hopefully it isn't) because it might mean they got rid of a bunch of bots!? Clearly, as evidence by me being banned, whatever software they used to permanently ban accounts is not appropriately identifying who's even close to being a bot. Unless somehow me responding the way I did to that one guy who PM'd me didn't pass the turing test? Or how me saying in team chat in WvW "Don't take supply from keeps!" is indication of botting. Or doing the fractals of the mists dungeon, complimenting it the whole way through letting my party members know I'm havign a ton of fun is evidence of botting. 

Like, for all I know, they banned more innocent players than actual bots so why should I feel GREAT like you described?! Seriously, do you people even THINK about things before you say them? :/

  someforumguy

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Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 3481

11/17/12 8:42:32 AM#47
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Amjoco

As far as bots are concerned, they are in every game and innocent people do get caught up in them occasionally. Like someone else said, don't play like a bot and you are fine. NEXT!

Stuff like this is actually starting to piss me off because I didn't "play like a bot" and I wasn't gold selling. My account never even had more than 6 gold at most yet my account has been permanently terminated. 

Like, I understand the OP is blowing it out of proportions but you guys aren't giving any consideration to the players who actually did get caught up in this...

I've been waiting 11 hours now since I initially got banned and no response from ArenaNet. :/

Did you stay in one zone for too long time? Did you keep repeating something very often? Did you dodge badly? Did you play a lot of hours per day? 

No antibot software is that ridiculous as you are suggesting right now. 'Did you dodge badly?' LOL. 

Just accept that no ban wave is faultless and Serelisk just got caught up in it.

I suggest though that instead of waiting for something to happen, Serelisk should contact GW2 support to accelerate the process to get the account available again.

  Serelisk

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Joined: 8/02/11
Posts: 845

11/17/12 8:44:22 AM#48
Originally posted by someforumguy
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Amjoco

As far as bots are concerned, they are in every game and innocent people do get caught up in them occasionally. Like someone else said, don't play like a bot and you are fine. NEXT!

Stuff like this is actually starting to piss me off because I didn't "play like a bot" and I wasn't gold selling. My account never even had more than 6 gold at most yet my account has been permanently terminated. 

Like, I understand the OP is blowing it out of proportions but you guys aren't giving any consideration to the players who actually did get caught up in this...

I've been waiting 11 hours now since I initially got banned and no response from ArenaNet. :/

Did you stay in one zone for too long time? Did you keep repeating something very often? Did you dodge badly? Did you play a lot of hours per day? 

No antibot software is that ridiculous as you are suggesting right now. 'Did you dodge badly?' LOL. 

Just accept that no ban wave is faultless and Serelisk just got caught up in it.

I suggest though that instead of waiting for something to happen, Serelisk should contact GW2 support to accelerate the process to get the account available again.

I did, have been waiting for a response since last night and also been logging in every now and then to see if they resolved it before responding to me. 

  Toxia

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Joined: 7/25/09
Posts: 1293

11/17/12 8:49:17 AM#49

OMMMMGGGGGG ANET SO MANY BOTS PLEASE DO SOMETHING!

 

OMMMMGGGGG   ANET BANNING LEGIT ACCOUNTS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE BANNING BOTS

 

You are fucking stupid, each and every one of you who is bitching.

I'll take my wrist slap, mods.

The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  someforumguy

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Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 3481

11/17/12 8:49:41 AM#50
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by rykim86
Originally posted by Hefaistos
It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

LOL.

Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

 

Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

 

TADA!

What you got wrong is that legal does not necessarily mean right. I don't wanna get too philosphic.

Let's just say that, regardless what the EULA says (something that pretty much nobody reads anyway), there are some things that you should not do to your customers. One of the reasons for not doing such things is also a managing one. It's plain marketing. You don't want to build a bad reputation becouse it takes a lot to build a good one and even more to recover it if you happen to loose it.

So, when it's banning time, you want to be careful. Anet did a good job dealing with the bots, and it was a good move, but you still need to be careful with the ban hammer when your game is in such a hot spot as GW2.

The whiners and the rioters you mention happen to have something in common. Both are quite upset about how things are turning out. But I don't want to get into politics either. It's just that some people are tired and disappointed with the present MMO panorama, GW2 is the game that everybody is talking about, you make a mistake and your last good move is quickly forgotten. And that has got nothing to do with EULAS.

Regardless of whether or not there was really thousands of players that got their accounts banned accidentally, because Emails can be forged and without any further information, it could be the same person in different accounts. 

But as long as 1 person got banned that didn't do anything wrong, Arenanet would be at fault, I would rather they do what they need to, even if they have to ban the entire game just to get rid of the botters, I said do it. 

Thats how a game company should be, destroy the botters and the whole community would be better off . 

Its not like they are charging you to play the game, where 24 hours is wasting your money, once you bought the game, you own it, if it takes 24 hours to get your account back and knowing that there will be that much less botters around, as a gamer you should feel great. 

Its gamers today that is making bots and gold farmers win, because there are so many red tape the game developers have to jump through or they get posts after posts of whiners.

Woooaahh, are you actually telling me I should feel "great" that my account was "permanently terminated" (which, hopefully it isn't) because it might mean they got rid of a bunch of bots!? Clearly, as evidence by me being banned, whatever software they used to permanently ban accounts is not appropriately identifying who's even close to being a bot. Unless somehow me responding the way I did to that one guy who PM'd me didn't pass the turing test? Or how me saying in team chat in WvW "Don't take supply from keeps!" is indication of botting. Or doing the fractals of the mists dungeon, complimenting it the whole way through letting my party members know I'm havign a ton of fun is evidence of botting. 

Like, for all I know, they banned more innocent players than actual bots so why should I feel GREAT like you described?! Seriously, do you people even THINK about things before you say them? :/

I would step away from this thread if I were you. There are loads of ppl who don't have any sympathy for your situation at all. It doesn't matter to them if you are truely guilty or not. The fact that you were banned is enough to make you suspicious and where smoke is, is fire, right? :p

I suggest to contact GW2 support to reactivate your account and ignore the lynchmob on the forums.

  Serelisk

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11/17/12 8:53:59 AM#51
Originally posted by someforumguy

I would step away from this thread if I were you. There are loads of ppl who don't have any sympathy for your situation at all. It doesn't matter to them if you are truely guilty or not. The fact that you were banned is enough to make you suspicious and where smoke is, is fire, right? :p

I suggest to contact GW2 support to reactivate your account and ignore the lynchmob on the forums.

Yeah, you're probably right.

I usually never spend time here anymore cause if I'm gonna be wasting my time, I'm gonna do it enjoying the game but now I can't even go on the game's forums anymore so I'm kinda stuck in this situation where I either need to do something more productive like studying when I don't feel a real need to, or coming on here and interacting with these inidividuals. What's easiest isn't always condusive to my mental health though. Go figure :/ 

Thanks for the rational replies though. 

  GreenishBlue

Novice Member

Joined: 5/27/12
Posts: 266

11/17/12 9:16:25 AM#52
it was a matter of time; too many exploiters in-game

  Lucioon

Novice Member

Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 840

11/17/12 10:42:05 AM#53
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by rykim86
Originally posted by Hefaistos
It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

LOL.

Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

 

Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

 

TADA!

What you got wrong is that legal does not necessarily mean right. I don't wanna get too philosphic.

Let's just say that, regardless what the EULA says (something that pretty much nobody reads anyway), there are some things that you should not do to your customers. One of the reasons for not doing such things is also a managing one. It's plain marketing. You don't want to build a bad reputation becouse it takes a lot to build a good one and even more to recover it if you happen to loose it.

So, when it's banning time, you want to be careful. Anet did a good job dealing with the bots, and it was a good move, but you still need to be careful with the ban hammer when your game is in such a hot spot as GW2.

The whiners and the rioters you mention happen to have something in common. Both are quite upset about how things are turning out. But I don't want to get into politics either. It's just that some people are tired and disappointed with the present MMO panorama, GW2 is the game that everybody is talking about, you make a mistake and your last good move is quickly forgotten. And that has got nothing to do with EULAS.

Regardless of whether or not there was really thousands of players that got their accounts banned accidentally, because Emails can be forged and without any further information, it could be the same person in different accounts. 

But as long as 1 person got banned that didn't do anything wrong, Arenanet would be at fault, I would rather they do what they need to, even if they have to ban the entire game just to get rid of the botters, I said do it. 

Thats how a game company should be, destroy the botters and the whole community would be better off . 

Its not like they are charging you to play the game, where 24 hours is wasting your money, once you bought the game, you own it, if it takes 24 hours to get your account back and knowing that there will be that much less botters around, as a gamer you should feel great. 

Its gamers today that is making bots and gold farmers win, because there are so many red tape the game developers have to jump through or they get posts after posts of whiners.

Woooaahh, are you actually telling me I should feel "great" that my account was "permanently terminated" (which, hopefully it isn't) because it might mean they got rid of a bunch of bots!? Clearly, as evidence by me being banned, whatever software they used to permanently ban accounts is not appropriately identifying who's even close to being a bot. Unless somehow me responding the way I did to that one guy who PM'd me didn't pass the turing test? Or how me saying in team chat in WvW "Don't take supply from keeps!" is indication of botting. Or doing the fractals of the mists dungeon, complimenting it the whole way through letting my party members know I'm havign a ton of fun is evidence of botting. 

Like, for all I know, they banned more innocent players than actual bots so why should I feel GREAT like you described?! Seriously, do you people even THINK about things before you say them? :/

If you read those forums, no one was permanently banned, if you were wrongfully banned, they ask you to provide some information then after a few hours, you are back in with only a few hours of inconveniences. 

If you can't provide those information, then you were banned correctly and there is no wrong doing. 

What you were describing is if you were banned without any ways of correcting it, then yes its their fault. But in all those forums, they provided methods for you to get your account back as long as you proved that you weren't botting. 

You should read before you try to post. 

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  JoeyMMO

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/11
Posts: 1326

To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

11/17/12 10:47:10 AM#54
Originally posted by Hefaistos
A bot is usually 1 lvl 80 with 2% map completed. 

You can have 100% world completion and still use a bot program. I wouldn't believe everyones innocence just because hey have X% world completion. All it takes is running a botting program for a while and BAM you're out.

  Serelisk

Novice Member

Joined: 8/02/11
Posts: 845

11/17/12 11:47:06 AM#55
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by Serelisk
Originally posted by Lucioon
Originally posted by gordiflu
Originally posted by rykim86
Originally posted by Hefaistos
It was 1 month ago, not just 2 weeks ago, when ive stoped playing Gw2. And i care, because this is NOT how a gaming company should treat their customers in 2012!!!

LOL.

Obviously you've never owned and ran a company, much less managed one.  And no, a manager at a burger joint doesn't count.

Every company makes their policies quite clear that, by law, a customer or any other person can request at anytime.  And like every other online gaming EULA, if they suspect you of doing anything fraudulent, you're flagged.  

Honestly, the whiners who were banned are the same people who think they're doing nothing wrong by participating in riots.

 

Case in point, don't do crap that'll draw attention to youself.  

 

TADA!

What you got wrong is that legal does not necessarily mean right. I don't wanna get too philosphic.

Let's just say that, regardless what the EULA says (something that pretty much nobody reads anyway), there are some things that you should not do to your customers. One of the reasons for not doing such things is also a managing one. It's plain marketing. You don't want to build a bad reputation becouse it takes a lot to build a good one and even more to recover it if you happen to loose it.

So, when it's banning time, you want to be careful. Anet did a good job dealing with the bots, and it was a good move, but you still need to be careful with the ban hammer when your game is in such a hot spot as GW2.

The whiners and the rioters you mention happen to have something in common. Both are quite upset about how things are turning out. But I don't want to get into politics either. It's just that some people are tired and disappointed with the present MMO panorama, GW2 is the game that everybody is talking about, you make a mistake and your last good move is quickly forgotten. And that has got nothing to do with EULAS.

Regardless of whether or not there was really thousands of players that got their accounts banned accidentally, because Emails can be forged and without any further information, it could be the same person in different accounts. 

But as long as 1 person got banned that didn't do anything wrong, Arenanet would be at fault, I would rather they do what they need to, even if they have to ban the entire game just to get rid of the botters, I said do it. 

Thats how a game company should be, destroy the botters and the whole community would be better off . 

Its not like they are charging you to play the game, where 24 hours is wasting your money, once you bought the game, you own it, if it takes 24 hours to get your account back and knowing that there will be that much less botters around, as a gamer you should feel great. 

Its gamers today that is making bots and gold farmers win, because there are so many red tape the game developers have to jump through or they get posts after posts of whiners.

Woooaahh, are you actually telling me I should feel "great" that my account was "permanently terminated" (which, hopefully it isn't) because it might mean they got rid of a bunch of bots!? Clearly, as evidence by me being banned, whatever software they used to permanently ban accounts is not appropriately identifying who's even close to being a bot. Unless somehow me responding the way I did to that one guy who PM'd me didn't pass the turing test? Or how me saying in team chat in WvW "Don't take supply from keeps!" is indication of botting. Or doing the fractals of the mists dungeon, complimenting it the whole way through letting my party members know I'm havign a ton of fun is evidence of botting. 

Like, for all I know, they banned more innocent players than actual bots so why should I feel GREAT like you described?! Seriously, do you people even THINK about things before you say them? :/

If you read those forums, no one was permanently banned, if you were wrongfully banned, they ask you to provide some information then after a few hours, you are back in with only a few hours of inconveniences. 

If you can't provide those information, then you were banned correctly and there is no wrong doing. 

What you were describing is if you were banned without any ways of correcting it, then yes its their fault. But in all those forums, they provided methods for you to get your account back as long as you proved that you weren't botting. 

You should read before you try to post. 

/Facepalm...

I CAN'T READ THE FORUMS. 

I don't know where or how they want me to provide this information outside of the normal support route. I sent a ticket in game providing the information asked in the ticket like my game serial code and my account names so they can look into it as well as prove who I say I am + additional paragraphs in the email describing what I've been doing this week, my character names, how long I've played Guild Wars, etc. which wasn't asked for but I thought would maybe help. Can you please tell me the methods, if there are any, of my getting my account back without being able to access the official forums on here? 

Otherwise, please don't try to validate people's posts saying that I shoudl feel great that my account was permanently terminated. I didn't listen to someforumguy's suggestion and now I suffered a 5 point IQ decrease because of it. :/ 

Edit: It's been approxcimately 15 hours since I was banned. So much for "few hours of inconvienences".

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