For me i like gaming this is part of my life since pong 1982 at the girl next door who had a big brother that had that very first "mobile" playing station.

I wasen't into mud, I played games on 64, and Amiga, my very first MMO was Meridian59 that game as a demo, yeah funny it wasen't called freetrial back then.

I played the demo didn't like much, so I continued playing C&C, Starcontrol 2, D&D games and alike and bla bla.

I loved Baldurs  gate 1 and 2, I loved Icewind dale 1, I loved Ultima series from 1 to Online.

I tried SWG at launch it was a mess but got better at the end, I fell in love with EQ, but got pissed more times than I want to say ;)

I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone

Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling.

I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone.

SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

Could be a combination of being burned out and maturity hitting. 

I also started playing games at a young age, and remember when my mother's boss brought me pong.  I thought it was the greatest thing ever.  I remember Pitfall for my 5th or 6th birthday - greatest thing ever.

I remember playing P&P D&D - again, greatest thing ever.  Then came NES, SEGA Genesis, and all the others to follow.  Then I grew up and was able to purchase a gaming computer - I've played the hell outta some games since.

I'm 37, have a 2 year old daughter and a spiffy wife.  Maturity is taking its toll on gaming.

I've played a ton of games in the past year or so, and none of them really keep me going (save Darkfall, and that only in spurts).  Games, for the most part, have lost their lustre for me.

Thus, I say it's a combo of the fact we're getting old and the games just aren't as awesome as Pitfall.

edit:  Nether hits it on the head gaming-wise.

I'm not even thirty yet so some might laugh at me responding to this as though I was a vet but It's a little of both for me.

I also think it's a shorter attention span which I blame on video games  and tv. I'm on a mission to reclaim my attention span at the moment, no digital entertainment and I'll see if I'm able to get some more enjoyment out of them should I revert back to my old habits once I've strengthened my concentration. Ofcourse if I do it'll probably be short lived as it will probably kill my gains. I might emerge with a better understanding though.

Originally posted by Torgrim

I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone

Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling.

I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone.

SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

I am gamer since C64 times and while I did have long breaks in gaming I do remember those times and I can be called bitter vet. Heh sure I can.  Anyway I still have fun from few selected new single player games. Maybe not as much as I had when I was child / young tennager without worries and work, but I still do.     In mmorpg genre it is diffrent - I don't have as much fun and I think it is not due to age but due to my current to design philosophy which I simply don't like. There is no great mistery hidden out there.

Originally posted by Torgrim

For me i like gaming this is part of my life since pong 1982 at the girl next door who had a big brother that had that very first "mobile" playing station.

I wasen't into mud, I played games on 64, and Amiga, my very first MMO was Meridian59 that game as a demo, yeah funny it wasen't called freetrial back then.

I played the demo didn't like much, so I continued playing C&C, Starcontrol 2, D&D games and alike and bla bla.

I loved Baldurs  gate 1 and 2, I loved Icewind dale 1, I loved Ultima series from 1 to Online.

I tried SWG at launch it was a mess but got better at the end, I fell in love with EQ, but got pissed more times than I want to say ;)

I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone

Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling.

I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone.

SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

Troof! I have grown the same...

Originally posted by Beacker
I think the last few years have just been filled with crappy overhyped games. I don't think it is us. Hopefully on the horizon is some good games coming though. Really looking forward to Archeage.

The new Hitman on the 22nd, can't wait.

Originally posted by Betaguy

Originally posted by Beacker
I think the last few years have just been filled with crappy overhyped games. I don't think it is us. Hopefully on the horizon is some good games coming though. Really looking forward to Archeage.

The new Hitman on the 22nd, can't wait.

I am talking more on the lines of MMO's rather than console games. But yea loved that game on ps2.

Its not me. :) I have gown tired of the action combat games we have today with no depth. [mod edt]

To make a long story short no. Its the games today not us. :)

Originally posted by Torgrim

For me i like gaming this is part of my life since pong 1982 at the girl next door who had a big brother that had that very first "mobile" playing station.

I wasen't into mud, I played games on 64, and Amiga, my very first MMO was Meridian59 that game as a demo, yeah funny it wasen't called freetrial back then.

I played the demo didn't like much, so I continued playing C&C, Starcontrol 2, D&D games and alike and bla bla.

I loved Baldurs  gate 1 and 2, I loved Icewind dale 1, I loved Ultima series from 1 to Online.

I tried SWG at launch it was a mess but got better at the end, I fell in love with EQ, but got pissed more times than I want to say ;)

I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone

Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling.

I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone.

SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

I have much the same history as you, played the Amiga, the last Ultimas (loved Underworld), played UO etc.

I also wondered some 5 years ago, if I grew up or something, when I lost the feeling. But no: Sometimes in a rare while a game comes by that has that captivating quality of the old days. I got it with Left for Dead (especially 2nd is phenomenal), Portal 1+2 and very recently with the new XCOM game.

I also tried to go back to some of the very old games. Like the first XCOM and Master of Orion, and even after 15+ years, they are as captivating as the first day I played them.

It is not us. It is the games. Too much soulless, copycat crap is shovelled at us.

The only MMOs I truly enjoyed was UO and Planetside. I think I would have enjoyed SWG as well, if I had tried it, but my guild was against moving there, so never did.

The WoW model has been copied to death. Who can again and again play more or less the same game? This is what is primarily plaguing MMOs.

Originally posted by Torgrim

For me i like gaming this is part of my life since pong 1982 at the girl next door who had a big brother that had that very first "mobile" playing station.

I wasen't into mud, I played games on 64, and Amiga, my very first MMO was Meridian59 that game as a demo, yeah funny it wasen't called freetrial back then.

I played the demo didn't like much, so I continued playing C&C, Starcontrol 2, D&D games and alike and bla bla.

I loved Baldurs  gate 1 and 2, I loved Icewind dale 1, I loved Ultima series from 1 to Online.

I tried SWG at launch it was a mess but got better at the end, I fell in love with EQ, but got pissed more times than I want to say ;)

I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone

Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling.

I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone.

SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

im a grizzled old vet also, started on a hanimex gaming system that had the choices of pong, and pong, then moved onto atari in the early 80's and so on till i started on mmo's when ultima online was released, ive played nearly every mmo from 1997 to 2012, i think the main problem you and i have is our virginity has been taken, and you can never get it back, sure screwing around is fun, but back then youd play a game for 3 or 4 years, today, if you get 3 or 4 weeks from a game, youre lucky... at the moment im playing a survival mmo "War Z" trying to get that adrenaline rush i had in UO and to an extent its supplying that, im also backing a kickstarter game called "Greedmonger" which is looking promising, but times have changed, developers are in it for the quick cash turnover these days, so any hopes of getting that original feeling back when you found your first game or mmo you loved, i think are long gone sadly.

It's the games...

A lot of what we played back then was brand new and had never been done before... the Ultima games, Dungeon Master in 1987, Baldur's Gate, UO, EQ, AC, DAoC... the technology was getting pushed and there were large improvements in graphics, sounds, 3D worlds that were part of the attraction.

Also new MMO systems were being developed and a lot of the things that are just routine background stuff now, were new features. I still remember playing Asheron's Call when there was no bank (we had character mules and the only way to do the transfer by yourself was to drop the items on the ground, log in the mule and pick-up the stuff) and where player trading happened on the honor system since we didn't even have a trade window...someone had to go first. I remember the first organized PvP with objectives in DAoC, the first auction houses, first player-owned mounts, quick travel systems, achievement tracking, scenario PvP...

Now we get incremental advancements that just add or modify what we've already seen countless times. The genre is sort of stagnant and controlled by "suits" who market the same old stuff in a new shiny wrappers.

We need new stuff.

Can't say I've grown tired of anything but I'm a lot harder to impress. I notice pattern a lot faster. Those "wow-moments" are years apart now. Last time it was with... Mass Effect 1, I think. Or maybe the first Modern Warfare. Its a shame. I'd really like to have those moments more.

Take Skyrim for example, it was sort of a let down since it was too much alike to Oblivion. Apart from the graphics nothing impressed me in it. Combat was the same which was already getting old playing the previous game. Shouts were a gimmick, oblivion gates were replaced with dragons, main story was not that interesting... Meh... Played it for couple of days - never finished the main story.

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Originally posted by Torgrim For me i like gaming this is part of my life since pong 1982 at the girl next door who had a big brother that had that very first "mobile" playing station. I wasen't into mud, I played games on 64, and Amiga, my very first MMO was Meridian59 that game as a demo, yeah funny it wasen't called freetrial back then. I played the demo didn't like much, so I continued playing C&C, Starcontrol 2, D&D games and alike and bla bla. I loved Baldurs  gate 1 and 2, I loved Icewind dale 1, I loved Ultima series from 1 to Online. I tried SWG at launch it was a mess but got better at the end, I fell in love with EQ, but got pissed more times than I want to say ;) I really love gaming well I thought I did, let me explain, I'm a gamer like all of you, we all like games, I can read about a game dream about it how much fun it will be but the thing is is when I get the game It's not always like it used to the feeling is gone Sure the game is good and fun and every bells and wissles are there just like the old days but I lost the feeling. I can still feel the upcomming games with joy but not as much playing them, sure I'm having fun, but the fun I had when I was younger., that feeling is gone. SO am I'm burned out or am I a relic of old gaming?

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The problem is game companies keep spitting out the same type of game. They've taken giant leaps backward. Look at the original EQ UO DAOC AC1 all mmos that were different and tried to push the bounderies. Today people put up with mediocrity so devs don't really have to work to get customers. We the players that know what a great ammo use to be, having played them years ago, are not willing to play the clone of mediocrity.

"Old vets" is a specious group to present, since (quite obviously) many of us rarely agree.

Want to talk about individuals?  Okay, but I'd need the mod's permission to express opinions on the topic.  I consider that extraordinarily unlikely.  As a result, this thread can't go anywhere good. 

There are perhaps a dozen individuals that I would consider hopeless cases; they clearly are not going to find a new game that pleases them, ever.  They just have impossible expectations, and they don't play well with others.

Another, oh, fifty or so habitual drama queens; they're not really miserable, they just like to fight amongst themselves.  Speak in absolutes, cry doom, complain incessantly, etc.

And a couple of hundred flat-out trolls.  Just want to get you (or me, or you over there) and push your buttons.  Most of them probably do not consider themselves trolls...or not often.  But read the carnage every weekend morning...

There, I've been candid.  The generally results in a few days off.  I'll just enjoy playing, instead.

Candid examination of our mmorpg.com local denizens, of course, can/will be bifurcated into "blame the customers".