Originally posted by Deewe

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

 

I don't get it.

Before (AKA Subscription-based w/ Free Trial):

- $15/month subscription to unlock everything

- $xx box fee

- Very limited Free Trial (level 15 cap, limited chat, limited zones/planets, limited crew skills, no Legacy XP, one Flashpoint)

After (AKA Free-to-Play):

- No box fee

- Optional $15/month subscription which unlocks everything (same as "Before") and includes additional CC reward

- Free option with no level cap, no zone cap, GTN access, chat, Legacy stuff, etc... most with the option to individually pay more to unlock certain perks

Originally posted by casual187

Originally posted by sancher36

Have to say thankyou to EA for the useless free 100 cartel coins anyways :)

I would have prefered no coins as 100 coins are a worthless joke

I know right you should get the same amount as me(3200) because you bought the CE and subbed from early acess till now you should totally right your congresmen. /sarcasm off

I'm just saying that giving all past subscribers 100 cartel points was not worth their time to do so. 

Due to the fact I cannot play all that often I see no point in subscribing to get the ( not so free cartel coins) as I only have time to play once a week sometimes as low as once a month due to hospital and university study. 

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by DAHBOO

I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

WTF?

Wait until you log in and notice you have only two quickslot bars available, making the game totally unplayable at 50.

Well, I am pretty sure all the cheapskates and freeloaders will always find a good reason to complain about something and everything.

I have no problems at all paying for entertainment, and I definitely appreciate that with the restrictions in place, at least some of these will stay away.

Originally posted by asmkm22

Originally posted by Po_gg

Originally posted by kharlan

you get to keep already created chars and can play them all

Until they find the solution to revoke them (they said it earlier)

Edit: Frodo was faster, /hats off

 

And how exactly is that different from any other F2P transition?  LotRO does the same thing, for example...

It was messed up when Turbine did it, too. I was not happy to find that content I'd already paid for with my box purchase, as well as many months of sub fees "earned" me the right to re-purchase much of the same content.

That's why I no longer play any Turbine game and refuse to support them.

I find it amazing that people actually try to justify this crap.

Originally posted by potaco

Originally posted by Deewe

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

 

I don't get it.

Before (AKA Subscription-based w/ Free Trial):

- $15/month subscription to unlock everything

- $xx box fee

- Very limited Free Trial (level 15 cap, limited chat, limited zones/planets, limited crew skills, no Legacy XP, one Flashpoint)

 

After (AKA Free-to-Play):

- No box fee

- Optional $15/month subscription which unlocks everything (same as "Before") and includes additional CC reward

- Free option with no level cap, no zone cap, GTN access, chat, Legacy stuff, etc... most with the option to individually pay more to unlock certain perks

At least you could fucking run...

Originally posted by Dreskest

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by DAHBOO

I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

WTF?

Wait until you log in and notice you have only two quickslot bars available, making the game totally unplayable at 50.

Well, I am pretty sure all the cheapskates and freeloaders will always find a good reason to complain about something and everything.

I have no problems at all paying for entertainment, and I definitely appreciate that with the restrictions in place, at least some of these will stay away.

You mean the "cheap-skates" and "freeloaders" who already paid EA $$$ for a brand new game box, plus all the months of subscriptions, and who would still be paying subscriptions if not for the change to F2P - less than a year into its release? You mean the people who would like for the money they already spent on the game to at least earn them something after a move to F2P that many of them likely didn't even ask for to begin with?

Are those the cheapskates you're talking about?

No, we're talking about people who would like to be shown a bit of gratitude and appreciation as recurring customers of EA's by being given something in return for their continued membership and business.

Then keep on paying the sub, you want it to stay pay for it, like you have been up till now, don't want to step your account down then don't, this is so simple it hurts.

If they had never gone F2P you wouldn't be crying about this but give someone an option and they brains get all messed up.

Originally posted by LhynnSaint

Originally posted by potaco

Originally posted by Deewe

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

 

I don't get it.

Before (AKA Subscription-based w/ Free Trial):

- $15/month subscription to unlock everything

- $xx box fee

- Very limited Free Trial (level 15 cap, limited chat, limited zones/planets, limited crew skills, no Legacy XP, one Flashpoint)

 

After (AKA Free-to-Play):

- No box fee

- Optional $15/month subscription which unlocks everything (same as "Before") and includes additional CC reward

- Free option with no level cap, no zone cap, GTN access, chat, Legacy stuff, etc... most with the option to individually pay more to unlock certain perks

At least you could fucking run...

You still can, you unlock it at 15 if your f2p, just like it used to be at launch

Originally posted by Kalmarth

Then keep on paying the sub, you want it to stay pay for it, like you have been up till now, don't want to step your account down then don't, this is so simple it hurts.

If they had never gone F2P you wouldn't be crying about this but give someone an option and they brains get all messed up.

Nope mate, its about them giving you the option, its about them being total twats about it. Its about seeing for the first time a mmorpg that has the same restrictions for free to play costumers than a facebook game.

But more than anything is about us wanting to tell the devs "you fucked up, fix it or go down. You need players, because players are content, and without players your game will die, is dying. Even if they dont pay, you need more people in warzones, you need your paying costumers to have people to play with or they will move on... and you dont want that."

You see, the only reason they went f2p was because they need people, the only reason they screwed it up is because they are greedy bastards.

They are not doing us a favor by making an unplayable f2p experience, quite the opposite. it dirties their already dirty image, makes a lot of people feel dissapointed and thats never good for bussiness.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Dreskest

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by DAHBOO

I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

WTF?

Wait until you log in and notice you have only two quickslot bars available, making the game totally unplayable at 50.

Well, I am pretty sure all the cheapskates and freeloaders will always find a good reason to complain about something and everything.

I have no problems at all paying for entertainment, and I definitely appreciate that with the restrictions in place, at least some of these will stay away.

You mean the "cheap-skates" and "freeloaders" who already paid EA $$$ for a brand new game box, plus all the months of subscriptions, and who would still be paying subscriptions if not for the change to F2P - less than a year into its release? You mean the people who would like for the money they already spent on the game to at least earn them something after a move to F2P that many of them likely didn't even ask for to begin with?

Are those the cheapskates you're talking about?

No, we're talking about people who would like to be shown a bit of gratitude and appreciation as recurring customers of EA's by being given something in return for their continued membership and business.

Yes, I suppose my definition of "cheapskates" and "freeloaders" include people like you.

I purchased WoW with every expansion until Cataclysm, was subbed for 6 years, and since I cancelled  I have no access to any of the content I purchased. except for the trial thing they offer now up to level 20.

Shouldn't they be showing some gratitude after all I paid throughout the years ?

If/when I ever decide to go back to WoW, I am ready to go back with my wallet ready to pay for that kind of entertainment again, not waiting on 7 / 14  day trials like many people do.

Same with SWTOR, I do not expect a game to be free, because games mean business, they are not charities. They're already being generous in making a big chunk of the game totally free, hoping that people will at least spend some money when in game. After all, some money is better than no money at all.

But I assume you had cancelled your account a while ago, with ZERO access to most of the content (you might have been playing a free to 15 account), and now you expect to go back and get eveything for free because you were once a "subscriber"

and they should show some gratitude to people like you.

Maybe in your dream world, things work that way, but in my world, I understand just how hard it is to survive and remain profitable when you own a business, and to me, what SWTOR is offering is fair, especially for the legions of freeloaders who are not going to  spend a dime to begin with. Probably now you're wishing you had waited to play the game totally for free that way, and I think you should have waited, considering your reaction.

They went the wrong way imo, i agree with most of the posts here.

Either make it F2P, B2P or keep P2P. Not this greedy F2P model, seems a desperate way to get more subs, nothing else.

I love star wars, bought and played for a few months but they just seem to do everything wrong.

Originally posted by potaco

Originally posted by Deewe

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

 

I don't get it.

Before (AKA Subscription-based w/ Free Trial):

- $15/month subscription to unlock everything

- $xx box fee

- Very limited Free Trial (level 15 cap, limited chat, limited zones/planets, limited crew skills, no Legacy XP, one Flashpoint)

 

After (AKA Free-to-Play):

- No box fee

- Optional $15/month subscription which unlocks everything (same as "Before") and includes additional CC reward

- Free option with no level cap, no zone cap, GTN access, chat, Legacy stuff, etc... most with the option to individually pay more to unlock certain perks

Let's get back to the original quote: F2P is supposed to hook more players.

In the free trial players had access to 100% content (UI included) up to level 15. Ie: give players a good feeling of the game for free.

Now in F2P while players can level up to 50 for free they have to pay to be able to totally enjoy the game.

So you find yourself very much hindered and don't really experience the full potential of the game.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

 

It was messed up when Turbine did it, too. I was not happy to find that content I'd already paid for with my box purchase, as well as many months of sub fees "earned" me the right to re-purchase much of the same content.

That's why I no longer play any Turbine game and refuse to support them.

I find it amazing that people actually try to justify this crap.

What do you mean "repurchase?"  When Turbine went F2P, if you purchased SoA and/or MoM, then you had that content unlocked anyway, so you didn't need to repurchase it.

If you mean the charcter slot issues, then the argument is pointless.  Nothing was stopping you from keeping a subscription up and nothing changes.

Anyway, the only reason I'm justifying anything is because the core argument people seem to have involves restrictions on free accounts.  The game hasn't changed at all for subscribers.  If you don't want to stay subscribed, how can you complain about stuff they are giving away for free, no matter how restricted is is?  Just sub and be done with it, or don't and stop whining.

Its not just restrictions placed on players that make it annoying, I understand some of the restrictions as I new what to expect. 

One thing I only just noticed was increase in vendor prices for free players 

Noticed too that you can buy gear on the cartel market, sounds like play to win setup for me 

Originally posted by LhynnSaint

Originally posted by Kalmarth

Then keep on paying the sub, you want it to stay pay for it, like you have been up till now, don't want to step your account down then don't, this is so simple it hurts.

If they had never gone F2P you wouldn't be crying about this but give someone an option and they brains get all messed up.

Nope mate, its about them giving you the option, its about them being total twats about it. Its about seeing for the first time a mmorpg that has the same restrictions for free to play costumers than a facebook game.

But more than anything is about us wanting to tell the devs "you fucked up, fix it or go down. You need players, because players are content, and without players your game will die, is dying. Even if they dont pay, you need more people in warzones, you need your paying costumers to have people to play with or they will move on... and you dont want that."

You see, the only reason they went f2p was because they need people, the only reason they screwed it up is because they are greedy bastards.

They are not doing us a favor by making an unplayable f2p experience, quite the opposite. it dirties their already dirty image, makes a lot of people feel dissapointed and thats never good for bussiness.

I pay the sub each month and am happy to keep paying, the cartel coins have let me get some stuff that I really thought was cool, and its has opened the game up for more people to try and if they like it then sub, this is a good thing in my book, if you are really upset with it, uninstall and move on.

But I know where people are coming from they shafted me on SWG and I felt mad that the game I had paid for was not the game I had anymore, so you have my sympathy but there is nothing anyone can do about it, so as with SWG we have to bury it, make a choice and move on, plenty more games in the sea.

Originally posted by Dreskest

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Dreskest

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by DAHBOO

I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

WTF?

Wait until you log in and notice you have only two quickslot bars available, making the game totally unplayable at 50.

Well, I am pretty sure all the cheapskates and freeloaders will always find a good reason to complain about something and everything.

I have no problems at all paying for entertainment, and I definitely appreciate that with the restrictions in place, at least some of these will stay away.

You mean the "cheap-skates" and "freeloaders" who already paid EA $$$ for a brand new game box, plus all the months of subscriptions, and who would still be paying subscriptions if not for the change to F2P - less than a year into its release? You mean the people who would like for the money they already spent on the game to at least earn them something after a move to F2P that many of them likely didn't even ask for to begin with?

Are those the cheapskates you're talking about?

No, we're talking about people who would like to be shown a bit of gratitude and appreciation as recurring customers of EA's by being given something in return for their continued membership and business.

Yes, I suppose my definition of "cheapskates" and "freeloaders" include people like you.

I purchased WoW with every expansion until Cataclysm, was subbed for 6 years, and since I cancelled  I have no access to any of the content I purchased. except for the trial thing they offer now up to level 20.

Shouldn't they be showing some gratitude after all I paid throughout the years ?

If/when I ever decide to go back to WoW, I am ready to go back with my wallet ready to pay for that kind of entertainment again, not waiting on 7 / 14  day trials like many people do.

 

Same with SWTOR, I do not expect a game to be free, because games mean business, they are not charities. They're already being generous in making a big chunk of the game totally free, hoping that people will at least spend some money when in game. After all, some money is better than no money at all.

But I assume you had cancelled your account a while ago, with ZERO access to most of the content (you might have been playing a free to 15 account), and now you expect to go back and get eveything for free because you were once a "subscriber"

and they should show some gratitude to people like you.

 

Maybe in your dream world, things work that way, but in my world, I understand just how hard it is to survive and remain profitable when you own a business, and to me, what SWTOR is offering is fair, especially for the legions of freeloaders who are not going to  spend a dime to begin with. Probably now you're wishing you had waited to play the game totally for free that way, and I think you should have waited, considering your reaction.

 

 

+1. 

If people want eveyrthing that came with the game back when they played it then they can pony up the monthly sub like they once did. The only thing that has changed is an option to play a character from 1-50 with some restrictions for free. If that's not enough for them then they need to move along already. 

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by potaco

Originally posted by Deewe

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

 

I don't get it.

Before (AKA Subscription-based w/ Free Trial):

- $15/month subscription to unlock everything

- $xx box fee

- Very limited Free Trial (level 15 cap, limited chat, limited zones/planets, limited crew skills, no Legacy XP, one Flashpoint)

 

After (AKA Free-to-Play):

- No box fee

- Optional $15/month subscription which unlocks everything (same as "Before") and includes additional CC reward

- Free option with no level cap, no zone cap, GTN access, chat, Legacy stuff, etc... most with the option to individually pay more to unlock certain perks

Let's get back to the original quote: F2P is supposed to hook more players.

In the free trial players had access to 100% content (UI included) up to level 15. Ie: give players a good feeling of the game for free.

 

Now in F2P while players can level up to 50 for free they have to pay to be able to totally enjoy the game.

So you find yourself very much hindered and don't really experience the full potential of the game.

 

I still don't follow your logic. You're acting like the Level 15-capped, almost no chat, no Legacy, limited-to-starter-planet-and-capital zones, and a single Flashpoint "Free Trial" had more free content than the "new" F2P option that lets you access almost the complete game for free (as long as you don't really care about hard modes or repeating the exact same activities over and over)... which is just ridiculous.

Before: You got an extremely limited free trial where you had to pay a box fee and a sub to progress at all... and once you bought it, you had to keep paying or you lost 100% of your access.

After: You get what is essentially an extended free trial where you can access virtually all content for free. Or you can choose to subscribe to unlock everything for that month and when you cancel your subscription, you're still able to log in. Or, you can buy things individually and keep them indefinitely.

I fail to see how the new option is worse than the old. It's infinitely more flexible. It's not like having all your action bars available was benefitting you sooo much on a level 15-capped character.

For those people that are so worried about running slowly and missing action bars... spend $5 to unlock the action bars and you'll automatically boost your account to "Preferred" status which gives you Sprint at level 1. And you can keep playing with those as long as you want without paying a cent ever again.

Originally posted by ktanner3

If people want eveyrthing that came with the game back when they played it then they can pony up the monthly sub like they once did. The only thing that has changed is an option to play a character from 1-50 with some restrictions for free. If that's not enough for them then they need to move along already. 

But the whole point of the FTP option is purportedly address the fact that many people stopped playing because of the monthly subscription fee. If the FTP restrictions are so harsh as to discourage FTP players and to as you put it, "move along already", well that would defeat the entire purpose of the FTP option.

Therfore, either Bioware is dumb, or, which is more likely, the entire point of the FTP option is something else. Perhaps to disguise supscription numbers and make more money per subscriber via the cash shop.

It's my lousy opinion that a game that has been so anemic on content release which both charges its remaining subscribers for a monthly fee and counts on those very same subscribers to supplement EA's revenue with microtransactions is very greedy.

You could say well just don't play, why even bring it up. Well I won't play, and this is a forum to discuss things just like this.

i don't understand why someone would only play a game unless its free just to have a gimped version of the game.

i haven't played this game in like 4 months and i re-subbed yesterday.

the only way i would ever try a F2P gimped version of any mmo was to just try it out to see if i like it.

seriously, if you didn't like the game before with all its features, you expect to like it more when its a restricted F2P version?

makes sense. lol