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Originally posted by Po_gg

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Originally posted by Jyiiga The simple fact is.. If you like the game keep paying the 15 a month.    This F2P stuff is just here to hook new blood. Nothing more. 

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The simple fact is, more than 1.5million already stopped paying the 15$, and the game is the same, there was no correction or fix or anything.

This F2P stuff is just here to put a cash shop in game, and definitely not to hook new blood. But it was obvious right when they detailed the model.

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Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by Incomparable

Am i suppose to play along here for the cicle jerk against swtor, or should I point out there is free cartel coins earned from previous subscriptions and actually works out that the person gets the U.I. for free and other perks for free from earned CC for free.

You aren't allowed into the circle since you don't even realize that you have to resubscribe to redeem the "free" cartel coins, so you main point is moot.

The OP was concerned that, even though he bought the game and pays sub fees every month, if he went free-to-play in the future he would lose all the benefits of having been a subscriber and be treated like a new f2p player.  So, he wasn't talking about resubscribing and therefore his point is not moot.

Originally posted by Vahid

Originally posted by tiefighter25

Originally posted by Incomparable

Am i suppose to play along here for the cicle jerk against swtor, or should I point out there is free cartel coins earned from previous subscriptions and actually works out that the person gets the U.I. for free and other perks for free from earned CC for free.

You aren't allowed into the circle since you don't even realize that you have to resubscribe to redeem the "free" cartel coins, so you main point is moot.

The OP was concerned that, even though he bought the game and pays sub fees every month, if he went free-to-play in the future he would lose all the benefits of having been a subscriber and be treated like a new f2p player.  So, he wasn't talking about resubscribing and therefore his point is not moot.

That isnt strictly true, former subscribers and new people that spend more than $5 get prefered status which is better than f2p but worse than a sub (as it should be)

I agree with that guy that mentioned circle jerking....Good lord.  Most of these people doing this are the same ones posting in threads with similar names saying the same thing.

To the original poster.  When the game was sub fee only, and you stopped playing, did you moan and complain about not being able to play your account at all?

Did you think you spent all that money playing but were entitled to keep playing for nothing at the time?

Yet now that the game is f2p, you expect to basically do anything so the company can make no profit?

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Originally posted by DAHBOO
I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

WTF?

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That's 2 more than you could have had active yesterday if you weren't paying a subscription...

Originally posted by Banquetto

 

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Originally posted by DAHBOO
I purchased the game and paid every month since and now if i go down to prefered i can only keep 2 of my characters active.

 

WTF?

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That's 2 more than you could have had active yesterday if you weren't paying a subscription...

KABLAAM!!

People are seriously defending this pay2win cash shop? This blatant money grab to bleed there fans of money? In EA's eyes money does grow on tree's, it just goes through your hands first. 

I payed for the game, have a 50 Bh and a few other classes that are in there high 40's. When I heard the game was going F2P, I thought I might take another stab at it and see what they added. But with the model they are using, I am passing. This is overly greedy. I would rather play a shitty completely F2P game like Perfect World than SWTOR now. 

This is hurting you fans of SWTOR more than it is helping it. People are going to look and see you have to pay for action bars, you have to pay to hide your damn helmet. You have to pay to quick travel etc. and those people are going to say screw this greedy ass shit, just like I am. 

Originally posted by Vunak23

People are seriously defending this pay2win cash shop? This blatant money grab to bleed there fans of money? In EA's eyes money does grow on tree's, it just goes through your hands first. 

I payed for the game, have a 50 Bh and a few other classes that are in there high 40's. When I heard the game was going F2P, I thought I might take another stab at it and see what they added. But with the model they are using, I am passing. This is overly greedy. I would rather play a shitty completely F2P game like Perfect World than SWTOR now. 

This is hurting you fans of SWTOR more than it is helping it. People are going to look and see you have to pay for action bars, you have to pay to hide your damn helmet. You have to pay to quick travel etc. and those people are going to say screw this greedy ass shit, just like I am. 

Personally I wouldn't defend this game... specially because I've never played it in the first place (I might take it for a spin now that it's F2P, though)... and before anyone asks what I'm doing in the TOR forums, I got here from the real-time forum overview that shows posts from all forums.. :)

However, and this goes more for the F2P titles in general, not just TOR, I really don't see merit on the OP's complain of being able to play only two chars for free after spending so much money in the game. As it was before the game was F2P, you could have spent $300+ or more into the game, and yet if you stopped paying the sub, you just couldn't play it anymore, neither of your characters, no matter how much you had spent in the past. As it is right now, you can play two of your chars, and still get some extra perks because you did spend money in the game in the past without paying anything more. TBH no matter what I see that as an improvement from your previous situation, from 0 to 2 characters available. And if you really want to play all your chars, you can just pretend the whole F2P thing never happened and sub again.

Originally posted by Vunak23

People are seriously defending this pay2win cash shop? This blatant money grab to bleed there fans of money? In EA's eyes money does grow on tree's, it just goes through your hands first. 

I payed for the game, have a 50 Bh and a few other classes that are in there high 40's. When I heard the game was going F2P, I thought I might take another stab at it and see what they added. But with the model they are using, I am passing. This is overly greedy. I would rather play a shitty completely F2P game like Perfect World than SWTOR now. 

This is hurting you fans of SWTOR more than it is helping it. People are going to look and see you have to pay for action bars, you have to pay to hide your damn helmet. You have to pay to quick travel etc. and those people are going to say screw this greedy ass shit, just like I am. 

I'm not defending the game or their business model.  I happen to hate the F2P transition and think the game is going to fade into obscurity sooner rather than later.

Having said that, I'm not interested in letting false accusations and information, based on emotion or bias, get out of control.  Too many people are willing to just ignore inconvenient facts if they don't support their position.

The game is painful to play as a F2P, if not impossible. i cant for the life of me understand how they are planning on getting more people into the game when playing without sprint in those huge maps is actually physically painful, in a game where you spend most of the time running.

The fact that every time you finish a quest the game reminds you that you are not earning as much exp as you should, the fact that some of the rewards arent even accesible if you are f2p.

The fact that everything in the game asks you for money... buying it from other players? dont make me laugh, you have a 200k money limit on your account, who do you think will sell you anything thats worth 5 bucks or more for 200k >.>?

Limiting the UI, not being able to hide helmets, or unifiying the colours on your equipment for crying out loud.

A big stupid yellow glowing button at all times in a light blue UI, just so you dont forget that if you pay you can maybe have fun? (even premium have the stupid button).

The fact that it is p2w because you cant equip the best equipment in the game if you dont... you guessed it, pay for it.

Its amazing how many people dont understand that the game is unplayable and thats why there are tons of complains.

It feels like a facebook game, feels like they hired someone from zynga to design the f2p model for them.

I don't know how so many people can miss the entire point of a F2P conversion. The point is not to let everyone play uninhibited/unhindered for free. The point is to give people options on how they want to play (with the understanding that getting some money from some people is better than getting no money from nobody).

Before, you either subbed and had full access... or didn't subscribe and had no access. You either felt it was worth it and paid... or didn't. It was 100% black and white.

Now it's more gray:

If you're happy farting around with storylines and alts, a few instances, a little bit of PVP, guess what? You can literally do all of that for free now.

If you want to PVP more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to PVE/raid more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to unlock a specific race, you can buy it a la carte.

If you want to unlock extra ability bars, you can buy them a la carte for much cheaper than a full subscription.

If, at any point, you find yourself wanting to play enough that you would spend more on the "a la carte" items than a subscription, congratulations, you're at the point where a subscription is worth it. Subbing for even a single month gives you unlimited access for that month PLUS ~$5 worth of CC that you can spend after your sub lapses, making it a net cost of around $10 for the month.

It's really not that complicated.

Originally posted by potaco

I don't know how so many people can miss the entire point of a F2P conversion. The point is not to let everyone play uninhibited/unhindered for free. The point is to give people options on how they want to play (with the understanding that getting some money from some people is better than getting no money from nobody).

 

Before, you either subbed and had full access... or didn't subscribe and had no access. You either felt it was worth it and paid... or didn't. It was 100% black and white.

 

Now it's more gray:

 

If you're happy farting around with storylines and alts, a few instances, a little bit of PVP, guess what? You can literally do all of that for free now.

If you want to PVP more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to PVE/raid more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to unlock a specific race, you can buy it a la carte.

If you want to unlock extra ability bars, you can buy them a la carte for much cheaper than a full subscription.

 

If, at any point, you find yourself wanting to play enough that you would spend more on the "a la carte" items than a subscription, congratulations, you're at the point where a subscription is worth it. Subbing for even a single month gives you unlimited access for that month PLUS ~$5 worth of CC that you can spend after your sub lapses, making it a net cost of around $10 for the month.

 

It's really not that complicated.

Actually i prefer how it was before, the free trial was good enough to hook new players, this new f2p shit will just drive them away. it really isnt that complicated :p

Originally posted by LhynnSaint

Originally posted by potaco

I don't know how so many people can miss the entire point of a F2P conversion. The point is not to let everyone play uninhibited/unhindered for free. The point is to give people options on how they want to play (with the understanding that getting some money from some people is better than getting no money from nobody).

 

Before, you either subbed and had full access... or didn't subscribe and had no access. You either felt it was worth it and paid... or didn't. It was 100% black and white.

 

Now it's more gray:

 

If you're happy farting around with storylines and alts, a few instances, a little bit of PVP, guess what? You can literally do all of that for free now.

If you want to PVP more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to PVE/raid more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to unlock a specific race, you can buy it a la carte.

If you want to unlock extra ability bars, you can buy them a la carte for much cheaper than a full subscription.

 

If, at any point, you find yourself wanting to play enough that you would spend more on the "a la carte" items than a subscription, congratulations, you're at the point where a subscription is worth it. Subbing for even a single month gives you unlimited access for that month PLUS ~$5 worth of CC that you can spend after your sub lapses, making it a net cost of around $10 for the month.

 

It's really not that complicated.

Actually i prefer how it was before, the free trial was good enough to hook new players, this new f2p shit will just drive them away. it really isnt that complicated :p

I'm not sure how you qualify that... Seems pretty obvious that the free trial wasn't "good enough" to hook new players....

You could also think of the F2P option as an unlimited trial that you can upgrade piecemeal (by purchasing individual unlocks) or completely (by subscribing).

And for the people already subscribing, nothing really changes besides the "free" $5 worth of CC they get each month to spend on whatever they feel like.

Originally posted by L0C0Man

Originally posted by Vunak23

People are seriously defending this pay2win cash shop? This blatant money grab to bleed there fans of money? In EA's eyes money does grow on tree's, it just goes through your hands first. 

I payed for the game, have a 50 Bh and a few other classes that are in there high 40's. When I heard the game was going F2P, I thought I might take another stab at it and see what they added. But with the model they are using, I am passing. This is overly greedy. I would rather play a shitty completely F2P game like Perfect World than SWTOR now. 

This is hurting you fans of SWTOR more than it is helping it. People are going to look and see you have to pay for action bars, you have to pay to hide your damn helmet. You have to pay to quick travel etc. and those people are going to say screw this greedy ass shit, just like I am. 

Personally I wouldn't defend this game... specially because I've never played it in the first place (I might take it for a spin now that it's F2P, though)... and before anyone asks what I'm doing in the TOR forums, I got here from the real-time forum overview that shows posts from all forums.. :)

However, and this goes more for the F2P titles in general, not just TOR, I really don't see merit on the OP's complain of being able to play only two chars for free after spending so much money in the game. As it was before the game was F2P, you could have spent $300+ or more into the game, and yet if you stopped paying the sub, you just couldn't play it anymore, neither of your characters, no matter how much you had spent in the past. As it is right now, you can play two of your chars, and still get some extra perks because you did spend money in the game in the past without paying anything more. TBH no matter what I see that as an improvement from your previous situation, from 0 to 2 characters available. And if you really want to play all your chars, you can just pretend the whole F2P thing never happened and sub again.

I have no gripe with the character limitation. I think the OP is overreacting to that aspect of there F2P model, as that is pretty standard. But the things I listed in my previous post, are money grabs. I won't be playing the F2P SWTOR off principle alone, that I won't be feeding a money hungry engine that doesn't care for there fans at all. 

Just by the fact that, Bioware/EA came out and said the only reason there game didn't do as well as it should (aka failed) is because of the sub cost... No not the terrible engine, horrible space simulator (even though I didn't mind it that much). SUPER instanced gameplay etc. 

How dare these greedy bastards try to recoup the cost of making the game monitarily.  The horror!

If people wont pay for the game through subs...you know the flat rate, everything is fair..method...dont complain if they answer all your prayers making this game free...then charging you out the ass down the road.

P2P is ALWAYS the cheapest route to go...always.

Yeah the game sucked when you got to endgame...i know...blah blah blah should have been the holy grail game all the mad hypers said it was suppose to be ect.

Ill put it another way.  The only mmorpgs that can get away with a fair and cheap f2p are the crappy no budget games...and even those will gouge you for every penny they can...why would a "blockbuster" game using one of the most valuable IP's run by the worst of big-business gaming conglomerates do anything other than try to suck you dry...after all its is a business.

Maybe you all should learn to program and form a charity gaming company, work for free for 10 years making a game then give it away for nothing.  

Originally posted by potaco

Originally posted by LhynnSaint

Originally posted by potaco

I don't know how so many people can miss the entire point of a F2P conversion. The point is not to let everyone play uninhibited/unhindered for free. The point is to give people options on how they want to play (with the understanding that getting some money from some people is better than getting no money from nobody).

 

Before, you either subbed and had full access... or didn't subscribe and had no access. You either felt it was worth it and paid... or didn't. It was 100% black and white.

 

Now it's more gray:

 

If you're happy farting around with storylines and alts, a few instances, a little bit of PVP, guess what? You can literally do all of that for free now.

If you want to PVP more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to PVE/raid more, you can pay for a pass.

If you want to unlock a specific race, you can buy it a la carte.

If you want to unlock extra ability bars, you can buy them a la carte for much cheaper than a full subscription.

 

If, at any point, you find yourself wanting to play enough that you would spend more on the "a la carte" items than a subscription, congratulations, you're at the point where a subscription is worth it. Subbing for even a single month gives you unlimited access for that month PLUS ~$5 worth of CC that you can spend after your sub lapses, making it a net cost of around $10 for the month.

 

It's really not that complicated.

Actually i prefer how it was before, the free trial was good enough to hook new players, this new f2p shit will just drive them away. it really isnt that complicated :p

I'm not sure how you qualify that... Seems pretty obvious that the free trial wasn't "good enough" to hook new players....

 

You could also think of the F2P option as an unlimited trial that you can upgrade piecemeal (by purchasing individual unlocks) or completely (by subscribing).

 

And for the people already subscribing, nothing really changes besides the "free" $5 worth of CC they get each month to spend on whatever they feel like.

Well if the free trial wasn't good enough to hook players, how making them pay more without adding content will bring more players in game?

I don't get it.

Have to say thankyou to EA for the useless free 100 cartel coins anyways :)

I would have prefered no coins as 100 coins are a worthless joke

seems to me if your a loyal fan, you would still be subscribing. Which you get 20-30 dollars worth of cartel coins plus a bonus of coins every month plus faster leveling and other minor bonuses for subbing. 

if you bought the game before the f2p launch you got certain restrictions removed . you couldnt play the game then without a sub, now you can. If you dont like the restrictions pay. 

Your not entitled to anything.

Originally posted by sancher36

Have to say thankyou to EA for the useless free 100 cartel coins anyways :)

I would have prefered no coins as 100 coins are a worthless joke

I know right you should get the same amount as me(3200) because you bought the CE and subbed from early acess till now you should totally right your congresmen. /sarcasm off