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  mklinic

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11/16/12 11:39:09 AM#61
Originally posted by DeaconX

Nice list of restrictions to ensure people aren't getting social or too invested in the game during their free-to-play.

That's a good, concise way to put it.

For those complaining about people complaining about the restrictions (the circle of complaining has been completed?): I don't (in my opinion of course) think this is so much about the desire to freeload or something like that. This site is for people with varying levels of interest in MMOs. A lot of people seem very interested in, and have a number of thoughts/opinions about, the business of MMOs. Now, whether they are motivated by hope or distaste for the game, people are going to talk about where they think this conversion to "F2P" is going wrong or right.

Now, you can say "you aren't entitled to anything" or some such dismissal, but really, if the idea (for EA) is to make the game financially successful, then as DeaconX pointed out, there is some obligation to get a player invested in the game to encourage further speding. The current 'feature list' (again, in my opinion) does not entice me to reinstall and, judging by the limited sample that is this forum, I'm not alone.

As I said though, that's all based on the assumption EA wants the to be successful. The jury is still out ;).

Those are just my thoughts on it. Those thoughts are worth up to $15/mo and likely there are another $15/mo with an opposite opinion. I suppose my real point is that maybe we can get past the dismissiveness of other people opinions and get to more interesting discussion about which features are good/bad and how they could improve the offering. Even if we can't agree across the board, it'd be an interesting excercise to see what the lowest common denominator is between the extremes of completely-F2P and subscription supporters.

In that spirit, I'll offer up some of my thoughts on what I'm fine with in the cash-shop (based off the preferred status of the feature list EA published):

  • Additional Character Slot
  • Additional Inventory
  • XP Rate
  • Fast Travel Passes
  • Customer Service beyond web/forum
  • Trade/Auction limitations
  • Chat limitations
Some of the things I think they are shooting themselves in the foot with:
  • UI limitations
  • Warzone/Operation/Flashpoint Passes (though I'd be fine with some limitation)
  • Character Creation (though I'd be fine with lesser limitations)
  • Space Missions (is this really a selling point that they should be locking?)
  • Mod Removal (though this might overlap some with equipment restrictions and not be the biggest issue)
What would help mitigate these concerns:
Purchasing cartel coins with in-game currency would alleviate a good portion of my distaste for the offering. Admittedly, I haven't seen if this is allowed or not, so if they intend to allow it, then more power to them. The assumption being this would be like a EvE PLEX system where another player bought the coins and listed them on the GTN.
 
The other stuff I'm up in the air on and could be convinced either way probably. I didn't really see anything about the Legacy system listed, so I'll assume that is sub-only which I think makes sense. Again, jsut my opnion. Whether fanboy, hater, or somewhere in between, where do you think they are going right or wrong (and "all of it" is a cop-out answer ;) )?
 
 

-mklinic

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It's in the air we raise our fists in."
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  Darklotus79

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11/16/12 11:54:04 AM#62

I actually took the time to read the restrictions..They dont seem that bad. Full content up to lvl cap. 5 warzones per week 3 flashpoint per week. you can still get a mount and talk in general chat. You can still join a guild or lead a f2p guild. My only complaints are the mailing system and the UI limitations.

 

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  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

11/16/12 12:15:37 PM#63


Originally posted by Talin
Being able to play through the storyline 1-50 is like getting a great single-player RPG for free. Sure, you will be missing some nice-to-have features by getting it for free, but the point stands. If you want more of the game, and want to play the "MMO" version of the features, you have to pay. I'm not sure the MMO is worth it really, but the class storyline makes playing through at least once very much worth it.


This is what I'm thinking. I thought the story content was really the only content worth doing. I think they did an ok job with the flashpoints and such, but it wasn't better than WoW or Rift. It wasn't worse either. For the cost of "Free" the story line content is worth it.

For everyone who isn't interested in the story content, this isn't going to look very attractive.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  User Deleted
11/16/12 12:54:29 PM#64
Originally posted by casual187
Originally posted by mnwild1998
How many post can we have about haters/trol!$ whinning and crying that this is not Freebies and Handouts 2 play. Its unreal the lazieness and entitlement some people have.

I know right. I remember paying for internet by the minute and a sub on top of that. todays mmo players have it so good they just dont know.

Yup, they got smarter and dont accept crap any more. Not thanks to you i see.

  cybersrs

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Posts: 159

11/16/12 2:45:04 PM#65

Pardon my English...

This sound so retard that they thought extortion would worth more then make a better game?

Ok, so, think with me... So many time working on so many limitations right? That for sure took a great amount of work/developement, time and money...

Now image if they had spent all this time, work/developement, money to make a better game... ?

Image what the people that is paying $15 a mounth is thinking... that their money is not going to developement but to waste of features/limitations?

Did they thought on you at some point? or only on their wallet?

  WalterWhite

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Posts: 404

It's time to cook.

11/16/12 2:49:39 PM#66
Originally posted by mnwild1998
How many post can we have about haters/trol!$ whinning and crying that this is not Freebies and Handouts 2 play. Its unreal the lazieness and entitlement some people have.

Let me guess, you've read a similar post about F2P complaining and thought it was cool to say exactly the same thing but didn't think it through properly as it's SWTOR we are talking about.

Judging by the 1998 in your name, I guess you are also making out you are older than you actually are too.

 

You are too cool for school, seriously.

  Derros

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Joined: 2/16/09
Posts: 1001

11/16/12 2:54:43 PM#67
With the flashpoint and battleground restrictions, arent they hurting paying players by putting artificial limits on the total available player pool?
  Derros

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Posts: 1001

11/16/12 2:56:23 PM#68
double post
  akathos

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11/16/12 3:08:38 PM#69
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by nolic1

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Have a look for you self and decide.

I did. As a former Player last year I was curious.

Ouch.

I understand F2P needs restrictions to encourage and entice Players to go Subscription but some of the restrictions are too tight. Most of the restrictions are reasonable but a couple have me worried...

... No BankVault / Cargo Hold at all for F2P? Really? That combined with the reduced Inventory will piss off so many potential customers it's frightening....

... Several restrictions to Chat? Why do Devs think this a good idea.... it's a MMORPG for god's sake.... Players need to be able to talk and ask questions, how are Vets (subscribers) going to talk these Players into going Subscription if the F2P can't talk back? EA Bioware just lost a free Subscription Sales department right there...

oh WAIT... it's not a MMO, it's an "Interactive Video Game", so no communication is really necessary, sorry my mistake....

Those are the two biggies I saw as I read through the list. These two restrictions alone I am guessing will lose HALF of the potential customers EA BioWare was hoping to gain.

Now I was and still am upset about the botched job that is SWTOR, but if I was to return I would go Subscription all the way, HOWEVER what good is a F2P MMO that scares away the F2P with restrictions too tight? What kind of community will it have? How good will be the Population?

After reading the matrix I fear the answers to my questions won't be positive ones. EA BioWare needs to lossen up the restrictions a bit or this experiment is gonna blow up in their face like a badly timed grenade.

The Carrot has to look good, and smell good, and be just a little bit beyond reach to be tempting. SWTOR's carrot is too far away to be all that tempting.

There we go, boom. Thats my thoughts in one.  Poor move t.o FTP, restrictions ofc are to be expected, but this is too too far... I was interested, but now? now Im not going back, Im sure im not the only one.

 

Im concerned about the warzone restrictions and flashpoint restrictions. This is just going to nail the paying customers,, and have a negative effect, queue's were bad before. I actually laughed at this.....

  Tutu2

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11/16/12 3:19:40 PM#70
This is absolutely absurd. Sprinting shifted to level 15? Lol? That's a new and odd kind of restriction. In fact the majority of these restrictions are plain silly and hamper the core of the game. We get it, you need to try and make money after how badly this game performed but there's a difference between Free To Play and treating a potential subscriber as some kind of prisoner to try and yank some cash out of. Please research your competition. I know I will not be personally trying the game out again with how ridiculous this model is right now.
  sancher36

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Joined: 11/05/07
Posts: 458

11/16/12 5:27:49 PM#71
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by maccajnr

What happens to existing accounts converted to f2P?

- I had over 2 millions credits, will I loose 1.8 millions with the F2P credit cap?

- I had 5 characters. Will I loose 3 with the F2P characters slot limit, or not be able to play 3 of them?

- I had a cargo hold fully expanded. Will I loose everything, or not able to access it?

- My 3 crew skills were at max. Will they loose their skills?

- I had lots of purple gear equipped. Will I suddenly be naked?

 

I admit I didn't spent too much time on my main acc, so the others will correct / upate this, but as I know:

- credit not lost, 'only' not accessible above 350k

- can use all of them, for a while, until they find out how to limit the char slots. But cannot create new ones.

- pass on that (my guess is only not accesbile without loose anything, but hey, it's EA so I'm not sure :) )

- only 2 skills remains, but not loose it, if you buy the unlock you have it at max again

- purple remains, until you undress or try to modify it.

 

Edit: for sancher's post, nope, there's no limit upgrade in store. If you want to access your money, you HAVE to subscribe.

I thought I saw an unlock for money limit, maybe not then 

  Gaoxin

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11/16/12 5:34:11 PM#72
  Betaguy

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11/16/12 5:35:54 PM#73
Originally posted by Gaoxin

lmao....

  User Deleted
11/16/12 5:48:41 PM#74
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Gaoxin

lmao....

Remove the air brakes, and the tires. Then the SWTOR people will be following you until you crash from agony and steal your money from your pockets.

  ignore_me

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11/16/12 5:56:07 PM#75
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by nolic1

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Have a look for you self and decide.

 

 

... Several restrictions to Chat? Why do Devs think this a good idea.... it's a MMORPG for god's sake.... Players need to be able to talk and ask questions, how are Vets (subscribers) going to talk these Players into going Subscription if the F2P can't talk back? EA Bioware just lost a free Subscription Sales department right there...

oh WAIT... it's not a MMO, it's an "Interactive Video Game", so no communication is really necessary, sorry my mistake....

 

This was to solve the Lifeless Worlds problem. Now there are tons of F2P NPCs to see moving around the world. No programming of new AI. Problem solved.

They will next add day/night cycles by telling you to dim your monitor every hour for 15 minutes.

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  Rohn

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11/16/12 6:00:22 PM#76

Looks like it's F2P in name only.  That's probably the worst free to play features list I've ever seen.

Either keep the sub, or don't play.

Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  Robokapp

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11/17/12 12:40:33 AM#77

you know...there is some truth to the pro f2p people too.

 

when a waste management company takes your garbage...they get the garbage and not only they don't pay you for it but YOU PAY THEM.

 

So...you're the waste management company here. they're giving you the garbage...for free. it's not a good deal but its free afterall so you can choose to take it or not take it. I wouldn't since others offer a better deal but who knows what you might be able to recycle from that free garbage.

  LhynnSaint

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11/17/12 12:45:51 AM#78
Originally posted by Rohn

Looks like it's F2P in name only.  That's probably the worst free to play features list I've ever seen.

Either keep the sub, or don't play.

Aye, the people thar are subbed dont seem to mind, and the potential f2p players are pissed and dont want to play. so, yeah... what were they thinking...

  negativf4kk

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11/17/12 1:45:14 AM#79
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by nolic1

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Have a look for you self and decide.

 

 

... Several restrictions to Chat? Why do Devs think this a good idea.... it's a MMORPG for god's sake.... Players need to be able to talk and ask questions, how are Vets (subscribers) going to talk these Players into going Subscription if the F2P can't talk back? EA Bioware just lost a free Subscription Sales department right there...

oh WAIT... it's not a MMO, it's an "Interactive Video Game", so no communication is really necessary, sorry my mistake....

 

This was to solve the Lifeless Worlds problem. Now there are tons of F2P NPCs to see moving around the world. No programming of new AI. Problem solved.

They will next add day/night cycles by telling you to dim your monitor every hour for 15 minutes.

I already have day and night cycles. My game looses conection to server every 30-40 min. 

Another stupid restriction is planet commendation limit. All the rest is just desighed to make u want tp subscribe.

XP gain still good . I finished Curossant yesterday and only outlvl content for 2 lvl. In general F2p very playable. Very annoying to send your companion to sell junk constantly and no bank space to F2P at all.

But i can c general number of subscribers rising.  Would EAware be able to keep them when they reach end game content? Dont think so.

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  Corehaven

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11/17/12 1:49:20 AM#80

Okay no bank access.  Im sorry I actually laughed out loud at that one.  I didn't even realize that was a restriction. 

 

I stopped laughing after reading some of the others, facepalmed, and am now trying to forget I ever saw something so awful.

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