Originally posted by Vannor

lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

1. Excessive publicity and the ensuing commotion

2. Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material

3. An advertising or promotional ploy

4. Something deliberately misleading; a deception

I don't think Trion did any of these things this time. There was freaking tv commercials for Rift upon launch. This is definately a sleeper by comparison.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

 

So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously..

I just implied that it is...although i could have phrased the second half better, such as

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product', which is a component of his defnition of hype

or something like that.

 

 

To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

okay man I'm not a fan boy or anyhting but.. you're currently losing - i'll try to be the neutral ground and clear the air. His definition of hyping a product is like saying, "Hey, I got 10 dollars for you." When, in fact, you only have 5 dollars. Delivering a product that is a lesser quality of what was advertised and expected.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

 

So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

Of course you can ignore the part after the comma when it says 'often'.  Often points to a common, but not necessary characteristic.  

You are struggling here

Originally posted by jonesing22

okay man I'm not a fan boy or anyhting but.. you're currently losing - i'll try to be the neutral ground and clear the air. His definition of hyping a product is like saying, "Hey, I got 10 dollars for you." When, in fact, you only have 5 dollars. Delivering a product that is a lesser quality of what was advertised and expected.

And regardless of what any dictionary says thats not how hype is used most of the time anyway.  Hype really is equivalent to buzz in the common use of the word.  This site has a hype meter after all, which is to show the most anticipated games, not the games that are overselling their products the most.

Still, even by the definition he gave, Rift was hyped, at least in my opinion because there is some subjective ground in the whole 'intensively' bit, but when one starts to think 'man they are really cramming Storm legion down our throat', that definitely qualifies as intensively.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

 

So weve established the part before the comma.  However the part after the comma isnt even necessary to the definition, it says often, not always.

Even so, I would say Trion by advertising more than usual for an expansion was certainly 'exaggerating its importance'.

Wrong, a sentence can only ever be understand in it's entirety. You can't just ignore the part after the comma to suit your needs.

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively whilst often exaggerating its importance or benefits.. means exactly the same thing. If they arn't often exaggerating its importance or benefits it doesn't fit the definition.

Of course you can ignore the part after the comma when it says 'often'.  Often points to a common, but not necessary characteristic.  

You are struggling here

Yeh I'm really struggling.. I'm sorry but the definition does not say:

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often (but not necessarly) exaggerating its importance or benefits.

You are trying to change the definition to suit your arguement.. which makes it a completely different (and inaccurate) definition.

Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

I am enjoying the expension...well ok just enjoying RIFT for now leveling a bard so have not really seen any of the SL content :P

Originally posted by Coman

Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

We've got another one.

Often means to still do something.. it means you often do it. If you don't do something, you can't often do it. When hyping something you often exaggerate, as the definition says. If you don't often exaggerate, you arn't hyping.

*I see you edited your post just as I hit quote...

Originally posted by Coman

Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

I am enjoying the expension...well ok just enjoying RIFT for now leveling a bard so have not really seen any of the SL content :P

I dunno I think it was pretty well advertised.  Like someone said, you can't browse through the site without seeing Crucia's tits.  It's the background as I post this.

They also had the whole panda charity thing right at mop release going along in concept with their "not in azeroth" blurb.  They've done plenty of marketing and hype and touting.

However, it is nowhere near the scale of TOR or GW2 marketing hype with that manifesto bullshit.

Originally posted by Vannor

Yeh I'm really struggling.. I'm sorry but the definition does not say:

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often (but not necessarly) exaggerating its importance or benefits.

You are trying to change the definition to suit your arguement.. which makes it a completely different (and inaccurate) definition.

Sorry, guess you are unclear what often means.  I did try to explain that already, but you havent got it yet.

If I made a statement that said: "A car engine is what makes the car run, often located in the front of a car"

The defining characterestic of a car engine is the phrase 'makes the car run'.  A common characteristic is being located in the front of a car.  But its possible to fit the definition of a car engine and not be located in the front of the car.

The old VW beetles had the mechanism that makes the car run in the rear.  its still a car engine.  So since it makes the car run, what was stated after the often is irrelevant.

often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

Originally posted by doorb7

Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by itchmon

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i agree with the OP; it looks like it's gonna set the bar.

kinda doubt that, sorry ^^

erm, you cnt really doubt it lol, it already has set the bar, there isnt a single expansion for any themepark mmo that has been as good as storm legion is, in terms of what ithas added to the game in recent years. even MOP fails in comparison.

Doesn't matter how good an expansion is when the core game fails...

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Coman

Look I do not think it was really hyped that much. I was aware of SL, but I was not bombarded by the advertisement. There are hyping up the expension now though with all the adds. 

We've got another one.

Often means to still do something.. it means you often do it. If you don't do something, you can't often do it. When hyping something you often exaggerate, as the definition says. If you don't often exaggerate, you arn't hyping.

Hype seems to be a fairly loose term in the world of marketing.  I feel like it's the impetus to generate buzz and Trion is pretty good at that.  The difference to me, compared to like GW2, is Trion is the master of poking at things or bringing a topic to the front in a way that makes it seem okay.

They are the only dev studio I've seen make server merges seem normal and planned.  In my opinion they have one of the more brilliant marketing machines.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

In the context of an object (Noun), yes. Not in the context of an action. As explained in my post above, try again.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

In the context of an object (Noun), yes. Not in the context of an action. As explained in my post above, try again.

Do you REALLY not know the difference between:

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

and

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively often, exaggerating its importance or benefits.

?

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

In the context of an object (Noun), yes. Not in the context of an action. As explained in my post above, try again.

Do you REALLY not know the difference between:

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

and

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively often, exaggerating its importance or benefits.

?

It is very amusing to me that you think there is a difference. There is, but it's not the difference you are hoping for.

In both definitions they have to exaggerate at some point, meaning they do exaggerate.. just not all the time for the first one. In the second one they exaggerate every time.

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by jonesing22

okay man I'm not a fan boy or anyhting but.. you're currently losing - i'll try to be the neutral ground and clear the air. His definition of hyping a product is like saying, "Hey, I got 10 dollars for you." When, in fact, you only have 5 dollars. Delivering a product that is a lesser quality of what was advertised and expected.

And regardless of what any dictionary says thats not how hype is used most of the time anyway.  Hype really is equivalent to buzz in the common use of the word.  This site has a hype meter after all, which is to show the most anticipated games, not the games that are overselling their products the most.

 

Still, even by the definition he gave, Rift was hyped, at least in my opinion because there is some subjective ground in the whole 'intensively' bit, but when one starts to think 'man they are really cramming Storm legion down our throat', that definitely qualifies as intensively.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by strangiato2112

often and often (but not necessarily) both mean the exact same thing in this context.  

In the context of an object (Noun), yes. Not in the context of an action. As explained in my post above, try again.

Do you REALLY not know the difference between:

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

and

Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively often, exaggerating its importance or benefits.

?

It is very amusing to me that you think there is a difference. There is, but it's not the difference you are hoping for.

In both definitions they have to exaggerate at some point, meaning they do exaggerate.. just not all the time for the first one. In the second one they exaggerate every time.

okay i actually see where you are coming from now.

you are interpeting it as:

Promote or publicize a product intensively and, in the process of doing so, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

There is still a difference though.