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  nolins12

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11/16/12 3:27:09 PM#41
Recently quit LOTRO after the shitshow that was Riders of Rohan, Have heard nothing but great things about this Rift expansion, thinking about starting.
  Banquetto

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11/16/12 3:28:28 PM#42


Originally posted by strangiato2112
A lot of it is Trion, they advertised pretty heavily and the picture of Crucia alone generated a lot of buzz. 

Yeah I actually can't remember the last time I came to mmorpg.com and didn't see Crucia's tits on the sidebar ad.

  Vannor

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11/16/12 3:30:31 PM#43
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Yeah, I think Trion released a sleeper here. 

I dont see how it can be a sleeper when its been hyped beyond belief.  

I'm glad you're not involved with my game of choice. Or are you? If you are.. I just don't get it. SL hasn't been hyped, you need to learn what hype means. If you arn't playing the expansion, stop going around posting about your made up conclusions please. Things you are saying mean nothing if you arn't trying it out yourself.

what does hype have to do with playing the expansion.  It actually has absolutely nothing to do with it.  

When people talking about how great the expansion is, you have hype.  People are proclaiming it the greatest expansion ever, thats hype.   And it was before the expansion too, people were talking about how great Sl was going to be.

You have to keep in mind Rift has about the same playerbase as LOTRO.  how much buzz was there about Riders of Rohan before it was released compared to how much buzz there was about SL?  A lot of it is Trion, they advertised pretty heavily and the picture of Crucia alone generated a lot of buzz.  Then you get buzz phrases like 'more than triple the size of the existing world'.  I will bet you more people know of SL than RoR and the EQ2 expansion combined, yet the player bases of those two combined is certainly larger than Rift and the ex-playerbase as well.  Trion is good at that sort of thing though.

Here's a definition of hype for you: Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its importance or benefits.

When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. nor is anything else they or anyone has said. Hyping something is making something sound better than it actually is. Lots of people talking about or liking something isn't hype, that's just popularity. Rift's expansion is more popular than Rider's of Rohan.. not more hyped. Hyping and buzz (popularity) are not the same thing. Listing features that are 100% in the game isn't hyping, it's describing.

Now, ArenaNet saying things like.. it's your story and you will have an impact on the world around you, townfolk will remember the things you have done.. that was hyping because it didn't come across anything like that in the final product, they exaggerated it.

So, because you havn't played the expansion (assumed from what you've said) you have no idea if any if it was or is exaggerated. You don't know if it's being hyped.. and from the reaction of people playing, and my personal experience, it isn't.

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 3:54:52 PM#44
Originally posted by Vannor
Here's a definition of hype for you: Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively
 

When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. 

How is what Trion did for SL (large press releases every 2 weeks or less for months before the expansion) not hype then, by that definition?  Also....

FACT:  Storm Legion did not triple the size of Rift.

 

And calling an expansion the best ever before seeing what its like even a month after release is hyping it up.  No one has any real way of knowing yet.  Most people arent even 60 yet.

 

  Vannor

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11/16/12 3:59:54 PM#45
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
 

When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. 

FACT:  Storm Legion did not triple the size of Rift.

Also: calling an expansion the best ever before saying what its like a month after release is hyping it up.  No one has any real way of knowing yet.  Most people arent even 60 yet.

Erm.. I think you need go have a wander around on the two new continents and you will see that they have, in 'fact', tripled the size of the game world. You don't know what you are talking about and are getting into troll territory.

Look, most people think the expansion is 'better' than they thought.. that is the exact opposite of something that was hyped.

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 4:12:53 PM#46
Originally posted by Vannor
You don't know what you are talking about and are getting into troll territory.

 

I know exactly what I am talking about.  But hey, if you have to try to insult people to make your arguments, go for it.

  Vannor

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11/16/12 4:14:42 PM#47
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
You don't know what you are talking about and are getting into troll territory.

 

I know exactly what I am talking about.  But hey, if you have to try to insult people to make your arguments, go for it.

What I said there is simply another fact. Stop trying to grab the moral highground to defend the fact you are completely wrong. You don't know anything about SL and you don't know what hyping something actually means.

  xAPOCx

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11/16/12 4:19:17 PM#48
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
Here's a definition of hype for you: Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively
 

When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. 

How is what Trion did for SL (large press releases every 2 weeks or less for months before the expansion) not hype then, by that definition?  Also....

FACT:  Storm Legion did not triple the size of Rift.

 

And calling an expansion the best ever before seeing what its like even a month after release is hyping it up.  No one has any real way of knowing yet.  Most people arent even 60 yet.

 

Its called Advertising.

 

As for your "fact", wheres the proof to back up your "fact"

  StanlyStanko

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11/16/12 4:19:36 PM#49
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
You don't know what you are talking about and are getting into troll territory.

 

I know exactly what I am talking about.  But hey, if you have to try to insult people to make your arguments, go for it.

What I said there is simply another fact. Stop trying to grab the moral highground to defend the fact you completely wrong. You don't know anything about SL and you don't know what hyping something actually means.

OWNAGE!!

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 4:22:50 PM#50
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
You don't know what you are talking about and are getting into troll territory.

 

I know exactly what I am talking about.  But hey, if you have to try to insult people to make your arguments, go for it.

What I said there is simply another fact. Stop trying to grab the moral highground to defend the fact you completely wrong. You don't know anything about SL and you don't know what hyping something actually means.

You posted a definition.  What Trion did with SL fits that definition.  I beta'd Storm Legion, I played it plenty.  And while I did not walk every zone, there is a scaled map.  You dont have to walk every zone.  Really, you are just underestimating how big tripled really is.

 

You can keep saying I am wrong or that I know nothing about Storm Legion, but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

 

  Vannor

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11/16/12 4:27:53 PM#51
Originally posted by strangiato2112
 but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

Same thing applies to you buddy. You can't even understand the definition I gave you properly. You are a lost cause.

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 4:28:47 PM#52
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
Here's a definition of hype for you: Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively
 

When they said 'tripled the size of the world', it was not an exaggeration.. 

How is what Trion did for SL (large press releases every 2 weeks or less for months before the expansion) not hype then, by that definition?  Also....

FACT:  Storm Legion did not triple the size of Rift.

 

And calling an expansion the best ever before seeing what its like even a month after release is hyping it up.  No one has any real way of knowing yet.  Most people arent even 60 yet.

 

Its called Advertising.

 

As for your "fact", wheres the proof to back up your "fact"

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  Did Trion not advertise intensively?

 

And no, I havent done any mathematical analysis ingame for numerical proof, but its obvious if you start comparing the old map vs the new and take into account the scaling that its not triple.  More than double, yes.  More than triple...no.

  Vannor

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11/16/12 4:30:26 PM#53
Originally posted by strangiato2112

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously.. They are why advertising was invented!

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 4:30:41 PM#54
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112
 but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

Same thing applies to you buddy. You can't even understand the definition I gave you properly. You are a lost cause.

Oh, so when I broke down your definition to show that SL was indeed hyped all of a sudden its not understanding it?  

  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

11/16/12 4:32:08 PM#55

Each new continent is about the same size as the original continent. Granted the original continent is small compared to other mmos, but the xpac does indeed triple the size of the game. Trion has confirmed it in multiple interviews and it is one of the main bullet points for the expansion. If you claim its not, prove it. If trion lied, we can sue for false advertising. Youre probably just talking out yer ____ though heh

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  jonesing22

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11/16/12 4:33:15 PM#56
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by jonesing22

 The instant adventure tool is awesome, I don't have a lot of experience with it but it isn't questing/LFD/warfronts. I guess it creates a zone wide chain of events/goals that you move through prgressively with your party or a random party.

 

Instant adventures is a semi-random collection of kill tasks and reused quests and named mob kills.  They throw in the occasional AWFUL escort sometimes.  typically its kill x mobs, click y things, kill z mobs, boss, warp somewhere else and rinse/repeat.  it isnt a progression, just a random pool of stuff.  I have yet to meet someone who enjoys doing it more than 15 minutes at a time.

 

It is a form of grind levelling in a way though, its by far the fastest way to level 1-50, not sure about 51-60

This might be why I like the IAs. I started in Everquest and often fondly remember killing countless enemies to level - I don't mind finding a good camp spot.

  moguy2

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Wish I had something positive to say =(

11/16/12 4:34:05 PM#57
I cant seem to get passed level 20. Or maybe its cause its the super trial thingy? /laughs
  Vannor

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11/16/12 4:34:28 PM#58
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112
 but repeating it over and over again doesnt make it true.

Same thing applies to you buddy. You can't even understand the definition I gave you properly. You are a lost cause.

Oh, so when I broke down your definition to show that SL was indeed hyped all of a sudden its not understanding it?  

lol yeh, exactly. Your breakdown makes absolutely no sense at all because you don't understand the definition in the first place and completely ignored the 'exaggerated' bit. Like I said, lost cause.

  strangiato2112

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11/16/12 4:35:50 PM#59
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by strangiato2112

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product' as his deifnition of hype stated?  

You think Promotion and Publicizing isn't a part of advertising? Now I know you're trolling. You can't really think that? Seriously..

I just implied that it is...although i could have phrased the second half better, such as

Is advertising not 'Promote or Publicize a product', which is a component of his defnition of hype

or something like that.

 

 

To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

  Vannor

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11/16/12 4:37:09 PM#60
Originally posted by strangiato2112

To break it down in case you arent following...Yes, having press releases is advertising.  Having press releases with great frequency is advertising intensively.  Which your definition clearly considers hype.

If everything said in the adverts is true.. none of them.

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