Originally posted by ltank

Don't even bother dude. They are too far gone and will just project their own motivations on to you and forum lawyer you to death to get your posts moderated. You cannot save these people from themselves.

You're defending a game which has been rated badly by any and all reviewers that have rated it and claiming the people who agree with the vast majority have motives, completely ridiculous. Not as ridiculous as claiming your posts are over moderated when speaking of MO in the same breath, the MO forums have more threads deleted, locked or edited than they do published.

There are facts and there is opinion, you seem to be confusing the two.

The people here do not need saving, they were here long before MO and will be here long after it's gone... nor are many looking for salvation anyway from my experience :D

Originally posted by Cyde77
Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

Thats funny.

Thgose "arguments" would not be valid if MO and SV were not making the SAME mistakes- In fact, they continue to Top themselves and after 2+ years of release cannot put out a properly working Xpac even with an 8 month delay (and no patches or fixes during that entire time)

Originally posted by Cyde77
Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

I am still lurking these forums, yes, they are both entertaining and I still want to see what will happen to MO. But do you see me starting threads on every fuckup SV makes? I dont even bother.

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Originally posted by SaintPhilip

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Originally posted by Cyde77 Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

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Thats funny. Thgose "arguments" would not be valid if MO and SV were not making the SAME mistakes- In fact, they continue to Top themselves and after 2+ years of release cannot put out a properly working Xpac even with an 8 month delay (and no patches or fixes during that entire time)  

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Originally posted by Cyde77

 

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Originally posted by SaintPhilip

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Originally posted by Cyde77 Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

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Thats funny. Thgose "arguments" would not be valid if MO and SV were not making the SAME mistakes- In fact, they continue to Top themselves and after 2+ years of release cannot put out a properly working Xpac even with an 8 month delay (and no patches or fixes during that entire time)  

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I think you misunderstood me. Im simply asking, why do you even care?

 

Why do you care why he cares?

Why do you bother posting if you DONT care?

Why is this about him/us or anyone else other than SV and MO?

Why do we discuss MMORPGs or any other form of entertainment at all?

-If you do not like it and are not going to add to the discussion (instead trying to make it about people who post) stop clicking into this Forum.

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Originally posted by Cyde77

 

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Originally posted by SaintPhilip

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Originally posted by Cyde77 Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

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Thats funny. Thgose "arguments" would not be valid if MO and SV were not making the SAME mistakes- In fact, they continue to Top themselves and after 2+ years of release cannot put out a properly working Xpac even with an 8 month delay (and no patches or fixes during that entire time)  

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I think you misunderstood me. Im simply asking, why do you even care?

 

Why do you care why he cares?

Why do you bother posting if you DONT care?

Why is this about him/us or anyone else other than SV and MO?

Why do we discuss MMORPGs or any other form of entertainment at all?

-If you do not like it and are not going to add to the discussion (instead trying to make it about people who post) stop clicking into this Forum.

Your given arguments arent particularly strong since this is the first time ive visited this forum/posted in quite a while, whereas the people Im posting about were always here when I was active and are still here every time I come back to the forum. But to answer your questions:

-I dont particularly care, Im just curious.

-Because it only took 15 seconds of my time.

-Because the OP was referring to the people posting about SV and MO.

-There's a difference between discussing MMORPGS you like or are looking forward to and bashing on a game thats been on life support for 2 and a half years and is played by a handful of gamers

-If you are enraged, take a break to cool off and return later to resume your hate.

-do you even lift?

Originally posted by Cyde77

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

Originally posted by Cyde77

 

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Originally posted by SaintPhilip

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Originally posted by Cyde77 Defo agree with op, Hercules and Inferno were going at it for a long time but I havent seen them in ages, but 2-3 years on since most of these people quit during beta or early release, theres still people here every day hating repeating the same old arguments (toferio!). MO suckysucks, move on.

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Thats funny. Thgose "arguments" would not be valid if MO and SV were not making the SAME mistakes- In fact, they continue to Top themselves and after 2+ years of release cannot put out a properly working Xpac even with an 8 month delay (and no patches or fixes during that entire time)  

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I think you misunderstood me. Im simply asking, why do you even care?

 

Why do you care why he cares?

Why do you bother posting if you DONT care?

Why is this about him/us or anyone else other than SV and MO?

Why do we discuss MMORPGs or any other form of entertainment at all?

-If you do not like it and are not going to add to the discussion (instead trying to make it about people who post) stop clicking into this Forum.

Your given arguments arent particularly strong since this is the first time ive visited this forum/posted in quite a while, whereas the people Im posting about were always here when I was active and are still here every time I come back to the forum. But to answer your questions:

-I dont particularly care, Im just curious.

-Because it only took 15 seconds of my time.

-Because the OP was referring to the people posting about SV and MO.

-There's a difference between discussing MMORPGS you like or are looking forward to and bashing on a game thats been on life support for 2 and a half years and is played by a handful of gamers

-If you are enraged, take a break to cool off and return later to resume your hate.

-do you even lift?

Notice how he completely avoided your question. I believe they can't honestly analyze their actions because they are afraid of what they might see in themselves and realize that they have wasted time hating on a game for years and years after they last played it. Very obsessive.

Originally posted by ZekkCC

I don't play MO.  I haven't played MO since probably about 3 months after release and I wasn't happy about the state of the game.  I was wrong when I decided to promote Mortal Online and encouraged people to give it a try.  That being said, that amount of hate/anger/effort(whichever one applies)  in these forums directed at MO just astounds me.  I don't think I've ever seen people hate a company more or for close to this long a period of time.  Some of the people here were people I was arguing with around two years ago.  Do you not have better things to do by now?

 

So my question is, why?  Y Umadbros?

 

:)

My friend, you were/are not wrong to encourage people to try something different. I think its important to have people who encourage people to help them what they are really looking for, at least thats what this website was about, infact it still is but sadly it attracts Trolls, QQer's and angry people who don't get out much.

I personally would like to try out this game, but I had difficulty with the patcher and so I gave up.

It's not about being mad.  It's about looking at the forum feed and seeing a Mortal Online post.  It's about taking 20 seconds to post that the idea of Mortal Online had all of the promise you could want in a sandbox game.  However, the development team behind it doesn't have the talent or experience to pull it off.  And that is frustrating to people who have been waiting fifteen years, since Ultima Online, for a sandbox that is worthy of being played past a trial period.

People have their own opinions.  Just accept it and stop asking why.

Originally posted by DAS1337

It's not about being mad.  It's about looking at the forum feed and seeing a Mortal Online post.  It's about taking 20 seconds to post that the idea of Mortal Online had all of the promise you could want in a sandbox game.  However, the development team behind it doesn't have the talent or experience to pull it off.  And that is frustrating to people who have been waiting fifteen years, since Ultima Online, for a sandbox that is worthy of being played past a trial period.

 

People have their own opinions.  Just accept it and stop asking why.

I can understand that we all have opinions, but its how people address them.

The people who keep asking "why do you care?" should ask themselves the same question.

This is an MMO discussion forum. If you have a problem with people voicing their opinions about MMOs, you are obviously in the wrong place.

And even though some posters here are pretty commited, there is no need to resort to the "hater conspiracy" theory when it comes to the negativity on these boards. SV has done a splendid job of alienating their fanbase and producing an endless stream of bad press all by themselves - with devs like that there is no need for haters.

Originally posted by Jorl

Originally posted by DAS1337

It's not about being mad.  It's about looking at the forum feed and seeing a Mortal Online post.  It's about taking 20 seconds to post that the idea of Mortal Online had all of the promise you could want in a sandbox game.  However, the development team behind it doesn't have the talent or experience to pull it off.  And that is frustrating to people who have been waiting fifteen years, since Ultima Online, for a sandbox that is worthy of being played past a trial period.

 

People have their own opinions.  Just accept it and stop asking why.

I can understand that we all have opinions, but its how people address them.

You're not going to change them.  That much you should know.  It's just how it is.  I tried Mortal Online when it was first released.  I thought it was going to be great.  Then I played it and my opinion changed drastically.  I followed it and new content and expansions brought more problems.  The most simple fixes weren't fixed.  I lost respect for the company, the developers and the game itself.  They spent too much time trying to figure out how to breed horses and have dynamic weather and wind, and many other crazy, never before seen, mechanics that take a huge chunk of time out of developing the basic core of the game.  Their priorities are way off and their customer service and communicatoin, in my opinion, is horrible.

So, when I see a post on Mortal Online, I check in.  Not because I hate it, but because I'm waiting for that glimmer of hope.  I'm disappointed every time.  I leave my two cents, which isn't generally positive, and I leave.  The facts are that the game has largely been a failure and it has disappointed many gamers.  That's where your hate is coming from.  Plus, this is a forum for MMORPG's, so people are going to talk about it.  What do you think will happen in a game forum that has disappointed most of the people who have tried playing it?

Don't lump everyone together and say anyone who posts here is a hater with no life.  I'm willing to bet that there are only a few who post here that do it just to be heard, while the rest of us just check in from time to time.

Originally posted by Biskop

The people who keep asking "why do you care?" should ask themselves the same question.

This is an MMO discussion forum. If you have a problem with people voicing their opinions about MMOs, you are obviously in the wrong place.

And even though some posters here are pretty commited, there is no need to resort to the "hater conspiracy" theory when it comes to the negativity on these boards. SV has done a splendid job of alienating their fanbase and producing an endless stream of bad press all by themselves - with devs like that there is no need for haters.

 

Biskop is right.  That said it don't excuse some of the more rabid freak-show comments we see. Love or hate SV there really isn't an excuse for some or the turd ville shite we see here. OK I'm an acknowled fanboi and I do like MO (most of the time) but seriously - would be nice to see more gentlemanly debate rather that the frothing we see, yes I can froth with the best of them but I don't go out of my way to cause offence. We DO all love sandbox so surely that should unite rather than divide us.

Turd attack i/c.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Jorl

Originally posted by DAS1337

It's not about being mad.  It's about looking at the forum feed and seeing a Mortal Online post.  It's about taking 20 seconds to post that the idea of Mortal Online had all of the promise you could want in a sandbox game.  However, the development team behind it doesn't have the talent or experience to pull it off.  And that is frustrating to people who have been waiting fifteen years, since Ultima Online, for a sandbox that is worthy of being played past a trial period.

 

People have their own opinions.  Just accept it and stop asking why.

I can understand that we all have opinions, but its how people address them.

You're not going to change them.  That much you should know.  It's just how it is.  I tried Mortal Online when it was first released.  I thought it was going to be great.  Then I played it and my opinion changed drastically.  I followed it and new content and expansions brought more problems.  The most simple fixes weren't fixed.  I lost respect for the company, the developers and the game itself.  They spent too much time trying to figure out how to breed horses and have dynamic weather and wind, and many other crazy, never before seen, mechanics that take a huge chunk of time out of developing the basic core of the game.  Their priorities are way off and their customer service and communicatoin, in my opinion, is horrible.

 

So, when I see a post on Mortal Online, I check in.  Not because I hate it, but because I'm waiting for that glimmer of hope.  I'm disappointed every time.  I leave my two cents, which isn't generally positive, and I leave.  The facts are that the game has largely been a failure and it has disappointed many gamers.  That's where your hate is coming from.  Plus, this is a forum for MMORPG's, so people are going to talk about it.  What do you think will happen in a game forum that has disappointed most of the people who have tried playing it?

 

Don't lump everyone together and say anyone who posts here is a hater with no life.  I'm willing to bet that there are only a few who post here that do it just to be heard, while the rest of us just check in from time to time.

 

Well, I can tell you most people that play MO right now, are all agreeing that the shape of MO as of today, not as it was two years ago, is better then it has ever been. And we actually play the game now to know this, not only read about it like some here do to base their "facts" on how bad SV and MO are. Is it where it should be? Not at all. But it´s more playable then ever. SV brings us new patches on a regular bases. They communicate more or less on a daily bases with their community, and really seem to listen and care for what we have to say. So I´m really hopefull, that if they keep this momentum going, they very soon can start to promote the game.

Personally I´ve grown tired of coming here to "defend" MO and SV. I much rather play the game and have fun with it. When I go to MMORPG these days I rarely come here, cause it´s the same people, using the same arguments as they did two years ago, and it´s just boring. But some like to spend hours upon hours to write about how much SV sux at doing this and that, and well, we all like different things I guess. I much rather login into MO after this. So take care all. Keep the pointless forum war going.

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Jorl

Originally posted by DAS1337

It's not about being mad.  It's about looking at the forum feed and seeing a Mortal Online post.  It's about taking 20 seconds to post that the idea of Mortal Online had all of the promise you could want in a sandbox game.  However, the development team behind it doesn't have the talent or experience to pull it off.  And that is frustrating to people who have been waiting fifteen years, since Ultima Online, for a sandbox that is worthy of being played past a trial period.

 

People have their own opinions.  Just accept it and stop asking why.

I can understand that we all have opinions, but its how people address them.

You're not going to change them.  That much you should know.  It's just how it is.  I tried Mortal Online when it was first released.  I thought it was going to be great.  Then I played it and my opinion changed drastically.  I followed it and new content and expansions brought more problems.  The most simple fixes weren't fixed.  I lost respect for the company, the developers and the game itself.  They spent too much time trying to figure out how to breed horses and have dynamic weather and wind, and many other crazy, never before seen, mechanics that take a huge chunk of time out of developing the basic core of the game.  Their priorities are way off and their customer service and communicatoin, in my opinion, is horrible.

 

So, when I see a post on Mortal Online, I check in.  Not because I hate it, but because I'm waiting for that glimmer of hope.  I'm disappointed every time.  I leave my two cents, which isn't generally positive, and I leave.  The facts are that the game has largely been a failure and it has disappointed many gamers.  That's where your hate is coming from.  Plus, this is a forum for MMORPG's, so people are going to talk about it.  What do you think will happen in a game forum that has disappointed most of the people who have tried playing it?

 

Don't lump everyone together and say anyone who posts here is a hater with no life.  I'm willing to bet that there are only a few who post here that do it just to be heard, while the rest of us just check in from time to time.

 

Well, I can tell you most people that play MO right now, are all agreeing that the shape of MO as of today, not as it was two years ago, is better then it has ever been. And we actually play the game now to know this, not only read about it like some here do to base their "facts" on how bad SV and MO are. Is it where it should be? Not at all. But it´s more playable then ever. SV brings us new patches on a regular bases. They communicate more or less on a daily bases with their community, and really seem to listen and care for what we have to say. So I´m really hopefull, that if they keep this momentum going, they very soon can start to promote the game.

Personally I´ve grown tired of coming here to "defend" MO and SV. I much rather play the game and have fun with it. When I go to MMORPG these days I rarely come here, cause it´s the same people, using the same arguments as they did two years ago, and it´s just boring. But some like to spend hours upon hours to write about how much SV sux at doing this and that, and well, we all like different things I guess. I much rather login into MO after this. So take care all. Keep the pointless forum war going.

Oh Man you're gonna get it in the ass now!! Standby!!!

I wasnt mad at MO, I was disappointed, which in many ways is worse.

The game claimed to be the next UO, which was arguably one of the best MMO Sandboxes in history.   But it fell WAY short, and then instead of attempting to make up for those short comings, they in turn listened to a group of PK PVPers who didnt want a sandbox, but wanted a twitch combat server and nothing else.  

The game went down this path for months, almost a year till I quit and moved on to other games.   I couldnt justify anyone spending the money I did on getting the game then playing the game, for the amount of headaches, bugs and crashes that showed up with every inept patch that SV released.    It was like paying for a Beta that was slowly reverting to alpha stages of development.    They added more to the game but it only got worse with each addition. 

Need I remind people that it took almost 3 years to get Tindrem in game and open.