Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Well, Gervaise, to me, the fact that you only get 2 quickslot bars when you were a previous customer broke the deal. I could have lived with having to resubscribe to get the bonus points. But I can NOT live with being BLACKMAILED to resubscribe just to be able to play the game. Playing with 2 quickslot bars is just impossible. This is blackmailing. This is pure greed. And the at EA can kiss the darkest part of my lilly white, because they will never get another cent from me.

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I played for 3 months with one active bar and one bar for stuff I clicked.
 

Unless you only played level 15 or less characters, this is not believable. And at 50, you definitely need 4 shortcut bars for all the skills.

There are people here who played this game for many months, you can't fool us. And pretending you can play this game at 50 with just one or even two shortcut bars is definitely NOT true.

I was looking forward to come back and play a bit, and even spend some cash in the shop if it was worth it. But this quickslot bar thing is definitely meant to FORCE people to subscribe back. I won't play that game, and I won't dance on EA's tune. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan Well, Gervaise, to me, the fact that you only get 2 quickslot bars when you were a previous customer broke the deal. I could have lived with having to resubscribe to get the bonus points. But I can NOT live with being BLACKMAILED to resubscribe just to be able to play the game. Playing with 2 quickslot bars is just impossible. This is blackmailing. This is pure greed. And the at EA can kiss the darkest part of my lilly white, because they will never get another cent from me.

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I played for 3 months with one active bar and one bar for stuff I clicked.  

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Unless you only played level 15 or less characters, this is not believable. And at 50, you definitely need 4 shortcut bars for all the skills.

There's people here who played this game for many months, you can't fool us. And pretending you can play this game at 50 with just one or even two shortcut bars is definitely NOT true.

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Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan

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Originally posted by lizardbones

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan Well, Gervaise, to me, the fact that you only get 2 quickslot bars when you were a previous customer broke the deal. I could have lived with having to resubscribe to get the bonus points. But I can NOT live with being BLACKMAILED to resubscribe just to be able to play the game. Playing with 2 quickslot bars is just impossible. This is blackmailing. This is pure greed. And the at EA can kiss the darkest part of my lilly white, because they will never get another cent from me.

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I played for 3 months with one active bar and one bar for stuff I clicked.  

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Unless you only played level 15 or less characters, this is not believable. And at 50, you definitely need 4 shortcut bars for all the skills.

 

There's people here who played this game for many months, you can't fool us. And pretending you can play this game at 50 with just one or even two shortcut bars is definitely NOT true.

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I played two characters up to level thirty something. One Sith and one Jedi. There was a Trooper in there too, but that was beta.

I did notice there were a lot of skills that overlapped or were pretty useless. Not as bad as Rift mind you, but 12 active skills was enough to do everything.

** edit **
Active = "Bound to Naga Button"

Then you obviously lack the right experience to judge. I can tell you that at level 50, four bars are just barely enough for some classes, and anything below makes the game just unplayable unless you enjoy being a gimp only using less than half of its abilities.

I have 5 level 50's, all of them had all 4 rows filled. 2 rows obviously with abilities, 1 row of buffs, vehicle, fleet pass, and a couple quick abilities (like alternative heal), and last row with mouse binds for shield, force run or similar, things I can react quickly with and consumables and stances (with certain classes).

At 50, you can't play the game with just 2 bars.

I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers.

If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

I'm not bashing the game - I would even have forgiven them the fact that you have to subscribe to get your points, or that you only get two character slots - but the fact that they made level 50 not able to be played at 100% efficiency at 50, that I can not forgive. Even the most greediest F2P transitions never did such a thing, EA just gave us a new definition for ultimate greed.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers.

If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

Sigh there we go again. What is your obsession with this word 'agenda'.

I never used more than two bars for skills on my trooper. That is not a lie but anyone can just log in if they have ful account and check their trooper and see it for themselves.

Last thing i would do is defend SWTOR but what i said about trooper class is 100% true.

All the important skills easily cover first two bars.

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan
I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers.

If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

I'm not bashing the game - I would even have forgiven them the fact that you have to subscribe to get your points, or that you only get two character slots - but the fact that they made level 50 not able to be played at 100% efficiency at 50, that I can not forgive. Even the most greediest F2P transitions never did such a thing, EA just gave us a new definition for ultimate greed.

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Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers.

If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

Sigh there we go again. What is your obsession with this word 'agenda'.

I never used more than two bars for skills on my trooper. That is not a lie but anyone can just log in if they have ful account and check their trooper and see it for themselves.

Last thing i would do is defend SWTOR but what i said about trooper class is 100 true.

Then you don't play your trooper to 100% efficiency. No matter how you put it, what I say is true. You use like 60% of the classe's total skills.

Can you do stupid dailies with only two quickslot bars? Yeah, you can definitely faceroll the keyboard and do those too, even though the fun of that may be disputable. But for Dungeons, or PvP, or any harder content, you're a total gimp.

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan

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Originally posted by Whitebeards

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers. If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

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Sigh there we go again. What is your obsession with this word 'agenda'. I never used more than two bars for skills on my trooper. That is not a lie but anyone can just log in if they have ful account and check their trooper and see it for themselves. Last thing i would do is defend SWTOR but what i said about trooper class is 100 true.

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Then you don't play your trooper to 100% efficiency. No matter how you put it, what I say is true. You use like 60% of the classe's total skills.

Can you do stupid dailies with only two quickslot bars? Yeah, you can definitely faceroll the keyboard and do those too, even though the fun of that may be disputable. But for Dungeons, or PvP, or any harder content, you're a total gimp.

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

I have a 50 Sith Marauder and a 50 Jedi Shadow, none of them are playable at 50 with only two shortcut bars. The amount of usefull skills goes way beyond the slots of the two bars given to old customers.

If you pretend you can play at 50 with only two bars, you either lie because you're on an agenda to defend what cannot be defended, or you always play way under the real capacity of your characters.

Sigh there we go again. What is your obsession with this word 'agenda'.

I never used more than two bars for skills on my trooper. That is not a lie but anyone can just log in if they have ful account and check their trooper and see it for themselves.

Last thing i would do is defend SWTOR but what i said about trooper class is 100 true.

Then you don't play your trooper to 100% efficiency. No matter how you put it, what I say is true. You use like 60% of the classe's total skills.

Can you do stupid dailies with only two quickslot bars? Yeah, you can definitely faceroll the keyboard and do those too, even though the fun of that may be disputable. But for Dungeons, or PvP, or any harder content, you're a total gimp.

Umm... i think i can not repeat myself enough when i say all 'important' skills cover two first bar. There are lot of skills that i have never touched and when it comes to PVP trooper has around 5 to 6 skills depending upon the build you are using that are most important. 

For dailies too i have never used more than 6 or 7 skills. 

I think you are just looking to pick  a fight here calling me gimp and all. I never said i faceroll keyboard that is your language not mine. There are lot of useless skills on troopers which can be ignored.

But apparantely anyone who disgarees with you is either a lier or has an agenda.

Originally posted by uncleFester
Is this correct? I bought the retail game at launch and even paid for another month before giving up. Shouldn't people like myself receive a little something to acknowledge that we paid money to EA? I paid them 75$, and that is 75 more than most people will pay for this very mediocre game. Normally I don't care if a game I played goes F2P, (Lotro, for example,  I had just gotten tired of playing long before it went F2P), but SWTOR was a completely unfinished product and a joke of a game when it was released, I feel entitled to some compensation. We all the only reason the game is F2P is because it was and is terrible...

Last night I logged in, realized I couldn't create another character as I already had 2 level 50s and 2 other high level, as a preferred player you can only have 2 characters. Logged out and created a new account and logged back in again with the new account. I then created a character, an IA as I didn't have one of those, and played for about 10mins. I realized why I quit in the first place, cut scenes were irritating and combat boring. I quit again and will wait for PS2 next week. For those that bought the game and subbed previously you get 250 Cartel dollars per month you subbed plus another 300 (I think) for buying the game in the first place. I have no clue of there actual worth as I never went to the cartel store.

I didn't buy the game, I quit during the closed beta, when it was free and un-restricted. The world seemed dead and lifeless, static.

Now I'll download and try it again. I'll probably know in the first few levels if I am interested in actually playing it. If so, I'll sub. If not, not.

I don't expect to play any game for FREE, and get the whole game.

Listen, I don't care what you do with your trooper... but I know two undeniable facts, and if you pretend otherwise, then yes, you ARE telling lies:

1) A Jedi Shadow, tank (kinetic comnbat) specced, can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50.

2) A Sith Marauder (DPS obviouly, Annihilation specced) can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50 either.

Well, you can of course. You can do anything, if you accept being a totaly gimp only using approx. half of your character's abilities. Hell I'm sure I could even do 50 quests with only two keys if I tried hard enough, as long as it doesn't involved killing more that one mob at a time, and using more time for a single quest than a normal 50 character would take for 10 quests.

That's from my pyro merc, ctrl+5 is always interrupt on all my toons but merc/trooper didn't have an interrupt before 1.4 and holo cubes are supposed to be in the Fkeys but they disappear on each login. Point out which abilities are useless in the bottom 2 rows so I can fit all the reactive abilities that are binded to my mouse.

Originally posted by TeknoBug

That's from my pyro merc, ctrl+5 is always interrupt on all my toons but merc/trooper didn't have an interrupt before 1.4. Point out which abilities are useless in the bottom 2 rows so I can fit all the reactive abilities that are binded to my mouse.

I doubt you'll get a reliable answer to this, sadly. Your abilities obviously don't fit on two bars, no matter how you put it and how much you want to forgive EA for their greed.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Listen, I don't care what you do with your trooper... but I know two undeniable facts, and if you pretend otherwise, then yes, you ARE telling lies:

1) A Jedi Shadow, tank (kinetic comnbat) specced, can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50.

2) A Sith Marauder (DPS obviouly, Annihilation specced) can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50 either.

Well, you can of course. You can do anything, if you accept being a totaly gimp only using approx. half of your character's abilities. Hell I'm sure I could even do 50 quests with only two keys if I tried hard enough, as long as it doesn't involved killing more that one mob at a time, and using more time for a single quest than a normal 50 character would take for 10 quests.

And i don't care for what class you play but i know trooper class because that is lmy main i stuck with.

So once again not lying and you can call me gimp as much as you like if it makes you feel better about yourself. What i said about my class is true and anyone can check it for themselves. Facts my ass.

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Listen, I don't care what you do with your trooper... but I know two undeniable facts, and if you pretend otherwise, then yes, you ARE telling lies:

1) A Jedi Shadow, tank (kinetic comnbat) specced, can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50.

2) A Sith Marauder (DPS obviouly, Annihilation specced) can NOT play with only two shortcut bars at 50 either.

Well, you can of course. You can do anything, if you accept being a totaly gimp only using approx. half of your character's abilities. Hell I'm sure I could even do 50 quests with only two keys if I tried hard enough, as long as it doesn't involved killing more that one mob at a time, and using more time for a single quest than a normal 50 character would take for 10 quests.

And i don't care for what class you play but i know trooper class because that is lmy main i stuck with.

So once again not lying and you can call me gimp as much as you like if it makes you feel better about yourself. What i said about my class is true and anyone can check it for themselves. Facts my ass.

Please answer Teknobug then, since he's playing a bounty hunter, which is the exact mirror class of the trooper (same abilities, just different names). I'm sure he's also interested in your smarter than us way to play a class at 100% efficiency with only 2 bars when he needs at least 3 (if not 4). We are holding our breath.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Please answer Teknobug then, since he's player bounty hunter, which is the exact mirror class of the trooper. I'm sure he's also interested in your smart than all way to play a class at 100% efficiency with only 2 bars when he needs at least 3.

You are assuming that all the skills he showed are important. He still has two empty space on his two bars and even if he leaves it the way it is, he wont even need the rest.

No need to hold your breath.