Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

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Originally posted by Rohn

ANET are quickly learning that bucking convention just for the sake of bucking convention has a price

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What price..? Higher revenue?

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Rohn

ANET are quickly learning that bucking convention just for the sake of bucking convention has a price

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What price..? Higher revenue?

That isn't such a terrible thing...it is their main raison d'être, no? Which is why I don't get all the brown nosing that goes on with ANet and several other companies.

They're businesses! They want my moolah, no? Well they better earn it, like every other company out there.

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

I can't wait to see what else in the manifesto becomes open to interpretation and/or subject to change.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Rohn

ANET are quickly learning that bucking convention just for the sake of bucking convention has a price

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What price..? Higher revenue?

Anet wants to beat WOW..so it is never enough till they beat WOW and become number one. That is their goal.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

I can't wait to see what else in the manifesto becomes open to interpretation and/or subject to change.

There is no such thing in manifesto, i am quite sure about that. But yeah i would like him to show us where Anet talked about these changes.

In my opinion Anet defense force is just getting desperate now.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by SirFubar

Nope, there's no gear threadmill in GW2 that is about to being added. Only people that are blind are believing this crap. People don't even understand what a REAL gear threadmill is. This is not WoW and will never be. I feel sorry for you for not able to understand simple things.

If only people like you would stop playing already, we would have a wonderful game.

 

Apparently you didn't see the post saying "We won't say there won't be gear with better stats in future updates" Or looked at the new Agony upgrades that include STAT upgrades, Or the fact that the only place to get those items is IN THE NEW DUNGEON and its tired to RNG! 

They just foriced WvW players to grind a dungeon! They just invalidated everyone's multiple armor sets!  Nothing is stoping them from doing it again in the future.

Because they're going to have EXPANSION PACKS.   Just like with GW1.

And they're not STUPID ENOUGH to box themselves in with hard promises because they know there are people like you who can't handle any developer changing anything about a game at time without making cry-fest threads like this!!!!

YOU ARE THE REASON THEY DO NOT MAKE HARD PROMISES.   Deal with it.

They billed me seven times for the same month?

Wait, no, they *can't* pull a Funcom, they don't have my card.

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

I can't wait to see what else in the manifesto becomes open to interpretation and/or subject to change.

There is no such thing in manifesto, i am quite sure about that. But yeah i would like him to show us where Anet talked about these changes.

In my opinion Anet defense force is just getting desperate now.

Colin Johanson wrote:

The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.
 

This is what they wrote a while ago. SO stop with the 'A.Net is not following their manidfesto' - they are. YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF IT.

Originally posted by Volkon

They're filling a "time to acquire" void, that's all. Exotics you can get quickly and easily with minimal effort. Legendaries were taking way too long for most people to even have a realistic shot of getting. So between them is one more layer, Ascended. They'll be harder to get than Exotics, yet no where as time consuming as Legendaries. They explained this perfectly when talking about the "Legendary Wall". People would quickly get all exotics, then the enxt step to Legendary weapons was so daunting that many simply wouldn't go there. Now you have a more realistic time sink for minor gear improvements with Ascended, and you also have a whole later option for lateral gear progression in the Ascended tier by introducing new dungeons (with new skins and infusions) that will give those that wish it a new time sink.

 

It's really not that complicated, nor is it a nefarious plot to go stealth WoW on us.

Sigh...   A rational, coherent explantion will only make the haters dig in more.    The opening paragraph on Confirmation Bias does a good job summarizing this problem:

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.^{[Note 1][1]} People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

So, we've had a few threads on what "full" means.   Spectacularly mis-interpreted by the trolls.   

We have the manifesto and game interviews from years ago when the game was, at best, in Alpha that have been modified or superseded, yet are treated as Holy, Inviolate Texts like it was the Bible when it suits them.    All while obliviously missing the main point -- you can successfully play the game without grinding those upscale armor and weapons, but if you want to, you'll have to put in the time (which they did disclose).

And they never, ever, ever listen to, acknowledge or correct their erroneous positions and simply dig-in harder when confronted because they are so emotionally invested in trolling the game and finding faults that they just make stuff up and will be damned to hell before the get off their fixed, false belief structures.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

I can't wait to see what else in the manifesto becomes open to interpretation and/or subject to change.

There is no such thing in manifesto, i am quite sure about that. But yeah i would like him to show us where Anet talked about these changes.

In my opinion Anet defense force is just getting desperate now.

Colin Johanson wrote:

The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.
 

This is what they wrote a while ago. SO stop with the 'A.Net is not following their manidfesto' - they are. YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF IT.

 

Not anymore.

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by xpiher
Thats right I said it. By going back on their manifesto and completely changing the game by adding in gear treadmill they alinated their loyal player base in the hopes of wracking the dough from WoW refugees. 

Get over yourself. They announced this stuff in the manifesto. They just didn't have it ready.

 

Have you made enough threads on this topic? Mods - please close this one as it is just another troll thread.

Care to show us? because i have seen manifesto several times. Maybe i missed the part where they talked about introducing armor with higher stats?

I can't wait to see what else in the manifesto becomes open to interpretation and/or subject to change.

There is no such thing in manifesto, i am quite sure about that. But yeah i would like him to show us where Anet talked about these changes.

In my opinion Anet defense force is just getting desperate now.

Colin Johanson wrote:

The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.
 

This is what they wrote a while ago. SO stop with the 'A.Net is not following their manidfesto' - they are. YOU NEED TO READ ALL OF IT.

 

 You can't read mate?

rarest items in the game ARE now more powerful than other, so you do need them to be the best. It's no longer about looks. Have you checked all the grinding you need to do to get the rings/backs? It will take quite a bit to get one and this will eventually be for ALL gear. And finally, people that want to chase it will, but those that don't WON'T be as powerful.

I've supported Anet for quite sometime, but this is going against all they stood for and what I supported. They lied and gave in the the power creep, they've lost my trust and that of many others, it's all over the official forums.

Many people are happy about this '' change '' from now to then, so people can be more engaged with the world and charecter progression. You should have undestood it from the start, Guild Wars 2 maybe is not focused on gear but it is still there, and you will always want to get the new good one. It is just like when the game came out and some people said '' With GW2, you can complete the game with level 1 gear, since gear is not imprtant there '' ... you gotta understand the philosphy first before making '' announcements ''.

ANet is afterall a gaming company, and if you ever think, or anyone else, that they are '' the nice guys who are trying to cure cancer '', you are wrong buddy, they are a company and people there have a job. They need ways to generate money, they are doing it kinda well right now, and better than almost all other companies in the industry, however, they are still not '' angels '' and money will be the goal of their job.

Originally posted by MosesZD

And they never, ever, ever listen to, acknowledge or correct their erroneous positions and simply dig-in harder when confronted because they are so emotionally invested in trolling the game and finding faults that they just make stuff up and will be damned to hell before the get off their fixed, false belief structures.

You know why these threads last forever?

They attack the same man of straw (with the names reversed).  You'll never, ever, ever listen blah blah emotionally attached blah blah love for Anet blah fanboy blah blah.

You're all playing in the same arena, just wearing different jerseys.  The other guy is always the villain, the speaker is always the poor abused (but righteous) hero.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by MosesZD

And they never, ever, ever listen to, acknowledge or correct their erroneous positions and simply dig-in harder when confronted because they are so emotionally invested in trolling the game and finding faults that they just make stuff up and will be damned to hell before the get off their fixed, false belief structures.

You know why these threads last forever?

They attack the same man of straw (with the names reversed).  You'll never, ever, ever listen blah blah emotionally attached blah blah love for Anet blah fanboy blah blah.

You're all playing in the same arena, just wearing different jerseys.

I do agree - I am of the wait and see camp actually. I feel A.Net totally messed up some things in GW2 (no guild hall or GvG comes to mind) and did some things right (areas and weapon skills - would like to switch between 3 weapons though). Nothing is ever perfect.

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by Volkon

They're filling a "time to acquire" void, that's all. Exotics you can get quickly and easily with minimal effort. Legendaries were taking way too long for most people to even have a realistic shot of getting. So between them is one more layer, Ascended. They'll be harder to get than Exotics, yet no where as time consuming as Legendaries. They explained this perfectly when talking about the "Legendary Wall". People would quickly get all exotics, then the enxt step to Legendary weapons was so daunting that many simply wouldn't go there. Now you have a more realistic time sink for minor gear improvements with Ascended, and you also have a whole later option for lateral gear progression in the Ascended tier by introducing new dungeons (with new skins and infusions) that will give those that wish it a new time sink.

 

It's really not that complicated, nor is it a nefarious plot to go stealth WoW on us.

 

Sigh...   A rational, coherent explantion will only make the haters dig in more.    The opening paragraph on Confirmation Bias does a good job summarizing this problem:

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.^{[Note 1][1]} People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. For example, in reading about gun control, people usually prefer sources that affirm their existing attitudes. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

 

So, we've had a few threads on what "full" means.   Spectacularly mis-interpreted by the trolls.   

 

We have the manifesto and game interviews from years ago when the game was, at best, in Alpha that have been modified or superseded, yet are treated as Holy, Inviolate Texts like it was the Bible when it suits them.    All while obliviously missing the main point -- you can successfully play the game without grinding those upscale armor and weapons, but if you want to, you'll have to put in the time (which they did disclose).

 

And they never, ever, ever listen to, acknowledge or correct their erroneous positions and simply dig-in harder when confronted because they are so emotionally invested in trolling the game and finding faults that they just make stuff up and will be damned to hell before the get off their fixed, false belief structures.

Yeah that is exactly what people that ARE IGNORING THAT ACQURING THE MAX STATS JUST GOT GRINDIER are suffering from.

"No no, they aren't more powerful" - Just 10%+ higher stats

"They have infusion slots, they don't have gems or rune slots" -sure they have stronger gems as base stats

"The gap between exotic and legendary was massive" - there was only a grind gap, not power. Grind is good!

"It is only rings and back slot" - lets ignore Anet blogpost talking about kiting yourself with full Ascended.

"It doesn't make a difference"- why did they do it then?

"skill still wins" - 2 people with same skill who wins?

"it isn't item progression"item progression must be not adding stats

"legendary items were already higher stats" stop looking at wrong information.

"we need to wait and see, nowhere does Anet say they are adding gear progression" - only in their blog posts

"Exotic is too easy to get" - that is why they have been making it easier to get....

"it is lateral progression" 63->68 is lateral? Level79->80 is lateral as well?

"It is only this time. Players weren't satisfied because after exotics it was only aesthetic progression, but once they get ascended they will never want more progression" .... and of course they aren't confirming it is the last time but instead leaving the door open:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/139a4j/official_post_ascended_items_on_german_forums/

How long til the fanboys start to say gear treadmill is awesome and haters that complained the game had no character progression say "meh, I left because of this or that"?

Soon I'll start digging posts of people telling GW2 haters that if they want gear grind as character progression "WoW is that way ->"

At least we starting to move from "there is no change" to "there is a change but it is what the majority wantedand it is only the vocalminority of the forums".

Of course last week the vocal minority were those asking for "gear progression, there is nothing to do".