Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

*snip*

Please stop posting wrong information.

Legendary items have the same stats as exotic,

50/48 is 4%, but 18/15 is 20%, 10%MF/7%MF = 30%.

See, not as clear cut.

I can understand the wait and see opinion, but please don't try to sugar coat the discussion with wrong information to try to invalidate my rational concerns.

And which one is better Ascended item with infusion slots or Ascended item with no infusion slots?

My understanding is that Ascended items come with infusion slots (as will Legendaries).  And the only time you will need the infusions is in the further reaches of the new dungeon.  And.....you will pick up the items and infusions during normal gameplay or make them in the Mystic Forge.  So, before you even get to the dungeon area where you need infusions, you'll already have them.

"Ascended gear works a little bit differently than other gear types. The stats and functionality normally added to gear through upgrade components are actually built into Ascended items. Instead of upgrade slots, Ascended gear has Infusion slots, and rarer versions of the items also come with additional Agony Resistance built into them. Players will be able to acquire Ascended Rings in the Fractals of the Mists dungeon, and Ascended items worn on the back can be acquired through special Mystic Forge recipes."

Actually, yes, all bring infusion slots, but "rarer ascended" items come with aditional Agony Resistence.

So Ascended items and rare Ascended items.

So...kind of like some exotic items have different stats than others?

It doesn't read like that to me.

Additional suggests on top of.

And there are no rarer exotics based on stats.

Originally posted by colddog04

Yeah, I agree with you after looking at that screen that the database has it wrong. My mistake. I'm actually happy that there is no difference.

 

And personally? I don't like that they are adding ascended items. 

I don't really care yet....of course, I just hit 80 and don't have even exotics yet anyway.

Either way, Legendaries are as far away from me as they ever were.  Now there's another armor option between exotics and legendaries.  Not really concerning to me at this point.  It will concern me if this is the beginning of a pattern.  Though, one instance doesn't make a pattern.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Skymourne

i'm sorry but that is a great answer.  I'm not sure how much more you want from them without them spoiling the entire event.  You guys aren't happy about ascended gear.  it's not that big of a deal.

 

Umm I want to know if Ascended gear is the final tier or not. I want to know if I'll need Ascended gear and the agony resistence to even have a chance at completing the next content. I want to know if my gear will be outdated in the future.

Its not a real answer since they don't address the communities concern about gating content, gear grind treadmill, or gear orrinatated character progression. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT

They've answered your question on Reddit.  While Ascended may be the final gear set, they will have different kinds of infusions in the future to grind and gate content with.

The manifesto has officially been abandoned.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Skymourne

i'm sorry but that is a great answer.  I'm not sure how much more you want from them without them spoiling the entire event.  You guys aren't happy about ascended gear.  it's not that big of a deal.

 

Umm I want to know if Ascended gear is the final tier or not. I want to know if I'll need Ascended gear and the agony resistence to even have a chance at completing the next content. I want to know if my gear will be outdated in the future.

Its not a real answer since they don't address the communities concern about gating content, gear grind treadmill, or gear orrinatated character progression. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT

You'll find out answers to those questions when event starts... Ain't that a bitch, eh? :D

How is it NOT ruining the event and this new "expansion" if you know all the answers before the actual content gets out? :D

 

Well, my biggest concern was the availability of this ascended gear being tied to only 1 dungeon.... Glad that's cleared up. :D

No I won't. As I have made clear to other in this thread, I won't know the answer until ANET either

1) Says they will or won't add more tiers of gear/upgrades that leads to gating of content or gear treadmill by adding more gear with better stats 

or

2) ANET launches a patch with progression with or without the gear treadmill or gated content

 

Or

3) Until you just play the damn thing.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
It's all being explained away and rationalized now. But just imagine the sheet storm that would have stirred up if someone had posted a thread saying "ANET is going to cave and start introducing gear with increased stats" even as recently as a few weeks ago.

What's being explained away and rationalized?  If Anet does it just once, why is it a problem?  If they do it repeatedly, then yes, it's a problem.

And...like there's not a "sheet storm" now?  Isn't that what's being talked about here?

Besides...I really wonder what the big deal is.  Infusions won't make anyone more powerful in PvP or WvW.  And it only makes you better able to survive in a specific dungeon array.  Pretty much akin to infused armor in GW1.  It was infused only to be able to fight on specific enemy.  No one seemed to have a problem with that.

Originally posted by xpiher
Wait and see means I quit because I'm not going to outfit all my alts with exotics and ascended gear just to see it go poof not the best anymore. 

 Did those character start at level one with exotics/ascended gear or didn't you replace gear they had?  I'd bet you replaced good gear with better gear.   Isn't that what they are still going to do?  Allow you to replace the current gear with better gear?

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by colddog04

Yeah, I agree with you after looking at that screen that the database has it wrong. My mistake. I'm actually happy that there is no difference.

 

And personally? I don't like that they are adding ascended items. 

I don't really care yet....of course, I just hit 80 and don't have even exotics yet anyway.

 

Either way, Legendaries are as far away from me as they ever were.  Now there's another armor option between exotics and legendaries.  Not really concerning to me at this point.  It will concern me if this is the beginning of a pattern.  Though, one instance doesn't make a pattern.

They just said on reddit that this is, in fact, the beginning of a pattern. From the developer Q&A on reddit just a while ago:

" Freyar (Who’s… 16 minutes ago
I’m concerned over ascended gear. Is Guild Wars 2 supposed to be moving towards traditional MMO progression? One of the reasons I stepped away from WoW and others was so that I could enjoy an MMO at my own pace without the risk of being excluded by something like Gear Score.
IsaiahCartwright @Freyar (Who’s best… 2 minutes ago

I can see your concern, our goal with ascended items is to fill the gap in our progression between exotics and legendary as well as give us a new tool with the infusion slot to give more depth of rewards by offering new and interesting infusions that are directed at different game types.

Maarius 16 minutes ago
how important for you is vertical progression in GW2?

IsaiahCartwright @Maarius 36 seconds ago
All progression is important to us, we want to make sure our rewards and progression systems hit a spectrum of players and makes everyone feel excited to play the game.

Yes, they are interested in appealing to vertical progression gear-grinders.  Yes, the Ascended armor infusion slot is specifically made to appeal to them. Since vertical progression players need ongoing verttical progression, it is obvious that this is going to be ongoing.

Originally posted by Meleagar

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by colddog04

Yeah, I agree with you after looking at that screen that the database has it wrong. My mistake. I'm actually happy that there is no difference.

 

And personally? I don't like that they are adding ascended items. 

I don't really care yet....of course, I just hit 80 and don't have even exotics yet anyway.

 

Either way, Legendaries are as far away from me as they ever were.  Now there's another armor option between exotics and legendaries.  Not really concerning to me at this point.  It will concern me if this is the beginning of a pattern.  Though, one instance doesn't make a pattern.

 

They just said on reddit that this is, in fact, the beginning of a pattern. From the developer Q&A on reddit just a while ago:

 

" Freyar (Who’s… 16 minutes ago
I’m concerned over ascended gear. Is Guild Wars 2 supposed to be moving towards traditional MMO progression? One of the reasons I stepped away from WoW and others was so that I could enjoy an MMO at my own pace without the risk of being excluded by something like Gear Score.
IsaiahCartwright @Freyar (Who’s best… 2 minutes ago

I can see your concern, our goal with ascended items is to fill the gap in our progression between exotics and legendary as well as give us a new tool with the infusion slot to give more depth of rewards by offering new and interesting infusions that are directed at different game types.

 

Maarius 16 minutes ago
how important for you is vertical progression in GW2?

IsaiahCartwright @Maarius 36 seconds ago
All progression is important to us, we want to make sure our rewards and progression systems hit a spectrum of players and makes everyone feel excited to play the game.

 

Yes, they are interested in appealing to vertical progression gear-grinders.  Yes, the Ascended armor infusion slot is specifically made to appeal to them. Since vertical progression players need ongoing verttical progression, it is obvious that this is going to be ongoing.

Right....which will be solved by infusions to armor for certain dungeons.  Does anyone realize that Legendaries will also be able to be infused?  So, the vertical progression won't be for armor sets that make you more powerful, except in certain circumstances.

None of those infusions seem like they'll affect anyone in PvP or WvW, though.  And, if there are choices about what to do in PvE, I don't see the problem.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Skymourne

i'm sorry but that is a great answer.  I'm not sure how much more you want from them without them spoiling the entire event.  You guys aren't happy about ascended gear.  it's not that big of a deal.

 

Umm I want to know if Ascended gear is the final tier or not. I want to know if I'll need Ascended gear and the agony resistence to even have a chance at completing the next content. I want to know if my gear will be outdated in the future.

Its not a real answer since they don't address the communities concern about gating content, gear grind treadmill, or gear orrinatated character progression. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT

The only thing i can see is that maybe people's reading comprehension needs some work, because the response clearly indicated that the ascended gear is slotted between exotic and legendary:

"Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two."

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Anaba77
Sorry but it's an answer, deal with it.

Its political spin. You should know the difference. The reason its spin is because it leaves them room to change their minds latter and you don't know, for sure, if they'll add more tiers of gear/upgrades later or not. 

Hey, clearly you missed what was said, or you are refusing to accept it:

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Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

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IDK, sounds like they arent adding a grind.  L2 read FTW.

Originally posted by xposeidon

Originally posted by Dietengu

Hey guys I dont have time to read those monster threads and i dont want to...so i have a guestion..

The new gear is needed only for the new dungeon or is a must if i want to do lets say WvW,lev 80 zones or other dungeons?

also if i want to do this dungeon one time or two to see how is it can i craft that gear?(im master crafter btw :D)Thanks!

 1. - It's needed if you want to go in farther in the new dungeon, it's not a must in WvW but it will surely give you an edge, same with dungeons and zones.

2. You can't craft that gear as of yet, they said that they will have different methods in the future of obtaining the gear, but no word of when. So for right now only way to get it is through dungeons and the Infusions (upgrades) in the Mystic Forge, details are not out yet.

And how does it give you an edge, exactly? Show me some numbers...show me the statistcal difference and I'll say yay or nay to your "edge". Gear has never been a big steeple in GW or GW2. And that's not going to change. If you have this new ascended gear and some lonely mesmer has blues he still has an equal chance of defeating you 1v1. Additionally if you get zerged you will still die just as quickly. NO edge. People are complaining about something that is moot either way.

Originally posted by Meleagar
They've answered your question on Reddit. While Ascended may be the final gear set, they will have different kinds of infusions in the future to grind and gate content with.  The manifesto has officially been abandoned.

No, you just fail at reading.

Legendary is still the final tier; ascended is in between exotic and legendary as they have clearly stated. And I quote:

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Get it now? Yay!

People here are really pathetic if you ask me. Always trying to find the thing that is "wrong" for them when in fact, it doesn't change anything at all. Yeah there's a new "tier" of gear, BIG DEAL, since the stats difference is meaningful and the way to obtain them ISN'T GRINDY WHATSOEVER. I just wish those people that are never happy about anything would just stop playing MMO since obviously, they won't ever be happy with anything.

Quoted from Anet :

"This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game.  Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content.

You’ll also see more Legendary items in the future and an update to our existing Legendary weapons. Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items. All Legendary items going forward will be of Ascended power. We also have plans to add more fun ways to acquire Legendary precursor items with a more “scavenger hunt” feel than they are acquired currently."

So to the people caring so much about the future content, if they will need the new Ascended gear as well as infusions and come here and say that all those questions remain to be anwsered, all I can say is go back to school and LEARN TO READ. Especially you xipher.

I'm getting sick and tired of clueless people that are posting nonsense here. I guess I should just stop coming here and commentating on everything since people can't even understand some basic stuff that was explained from arenanet themselves. Ho yeah I forgot, they lied to us... At this point I don't even care if I get ban...because people will never be able to read properly and understand easy stuff.

Originally posted by Thupli

Originally posted by Meleagar
They've answered your question on Reddit. While Ascended may be the final gear set, they will have different kinds of infusions in the future to grind and gate content with.  The manifesto has officially been abandoned.

No, you just fail at reading.

Legendary is still the final tier; ascended is in between exotic and legendary as they have clearly stated. And I quote:

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Etc...

Get it now? Yay!

Actually he didn't fail at reading. Meleagar's comment was in regard to infusions being used as the artificial gate and grind mechanic, not the gear. The one line you repeated over and over is irrelevant to his post.

And, hey, can we move away from "lulz you fail at reading" line of argument? Can't you just present the counter argument without being insulting?

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Thupli

Originally posted by Meleagar
They've answered your question on Reddit. While Ascended may be the final gear set, they will have different kinds of infusions in the future to grind and gate content with.  The manifesto has officially been abandoned.

No, you just fail at reading.

Legendary is still the final tier; ascended is in between exotic and legendary as they have clearly stated. And I quote:

Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two.

Etc...

Get it now? Yay!

Actually he didn't fail at reading. Meleagar's comment was in regard to infusions being used as the artificial gate and grind mechanic, not the gear. The one line you repeated over and over is irrelevant to his post.

And, hey, can we move away from "lulz you fail at reading" line of argument? Can't you just present the counter argument without being insulting?

Actually, even with infusions it is still the step in between the two.  Suggest you read what Anet has said.  I'm happy to repeat it over and over till you get what they are saying.

He said: "Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on."

So chasing after more gear now is NOT a gear grind? RIGHT!

Originally posted by Tokken

He said: "Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on."

So chasing after more gear now is NOT a gear grind? RIGHT!

So from you're logic, every single RPG game, be it single or multiplayer is a grind? Nice one mate.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Skymourne

i'm sorry but that is a great answer.  I'm not sure how much more you want from them without them spoiling the entire event.  You guys aren't happy about ascended gear.  it's not that big of a deal.

 

Umm I want to know if Ascended gear is the final tier or not. I want to know if I'll need Ascended gear and the agony resistence to even have a chance at completing the next content. I want to know if my gear will be outdated in the future.

Its not a real answer since they don't address the communities concern about gating content, gear grind treadmill, or gear orrinatated character progression. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT

Ofcourse it will be outdated this is an MMO.