Originally posted by Neo_Liberty

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Serelisk

Originally posted by Karteli

Maybe if fans/shills would acknowledge that GW2 is highly anti-social, these posted would be a little different?

Case and point: ^This^

I'm a fan of the game and I should now acknowledge the 'fact' that is game is highly antisocial when everything I've experienced in the game has brought me to believe otherwise? 

I have a character in the game named "Plant", too. I guess I fit into both categories for people who can't see the grand truth. /endsarcasm 

There's no point.

Given his past posts, he seems to be of the crowd that believe that games should force people to talk to one another. If a game doesn't actively force players to talk to each other, then they consider it 'anti-social'.

The problem with this belief is that in order for something to be anti-social, it has to actively be avoiding or discouraging social interaction. GW2 doesn't have a single feature (that I can think of) that discourages players from interacting. Furthermore, I can think of at least a couple features GW2 has that mostly requires you talk to other players.

More to the point, people like Karteli seem to be under the assumption that if they talk to someone else, that person should always reply back to them. This leads me to believe that they probably don't have the best social skills, and may need to spend some time in the real world interacting with people directly.

Heck, even just this morning I hopped on GW2 for a bit, and had a few lengthy discussions with random players talking in /map chat. I don't go around randomly /bow-ing to people and expecting them to acknowledge me, though. The world doesn't work that way.

I'm honored you would mention me!

Sweetheart, nobody is asking this game to force feed socialization.  It comes naturally.  GW2 does not provide this.  It's the game style, it's the social mechanisms.  If you can't see this, then I'm talking to a wall.

 

Nobody is avoiding social activity, but you really can't have the same social level as other MMORPG's when everything is scripted and auto group-formed.  You simple can't.  If you say you can, they you are lying.

Sure some alternatives can be met.  Conversations can be struck up after the action.  I did that, they were all meaningless -- more just ran away others just stood there (bots?).

 

I'm under the assumption that when I send a tell I expect a reply?  Well if I never get replies how can you call this game social?  Even if the other person /spit on me that would be social.  But since GW2 emotes are so shitty, even /spit doesn't work. [Emotes are so lacking in GW2, even /smile doesn't work]

 

So getting repeatedly struck with no responses means I need to get into the real world?  No it means I need to find another MMORPG. (which many others already did apparently judging by the absense of players in the world)

 

If You are a real fan of this game, you should start caring about what others feel.

Sorry..Karteli..but you are wrong... i've played many games with emotes that were just as anti-social if not more so... not to mention that in every game i play i never use emotes and even when ppl are being social.. i've never really seen others using emotes... if the only method of communication was emotes than what u say would make sense... but emotes cannot really express emotion or feelings.. they are very simple.. if you want talk with someone u have to whisper them or talk in /say... so it really doesn't matter... in the end everyone will be using the chat box... in guild wars.. they took out the middle man and left u the chat box.. there is nothing wrong with that... if ppl aren't interested in talking.. they aren't interested.. whether u use emotes or type in the chat... it doesn't matter.. they won't talk to you..

Well emotes only add to the experience for a game to be a social MMORPG experience.

Others might include:

/who

/inspect (not only for gear but for achievement compares)

/trade (with other players)

Those just a sample of what makes a game social (don't forget to add emotes).  Take them all away and it's a very dry experience.  Don't take my word for it though .. I'm just words, let this game die. :P

Those are just staples amongst MMORPGS.  Individual games add their own.  GW2 doesn't have much to offer :=(

Originally posted by Purutzil

See you were confused how to play your class but let me give the truth... it is really that easy. Yeah, combat in GW2 is simplified to take on the concept of dodging adn being more active. Its really not complex at all. You aim for either condition damage or normal damage. Condition damage you focus on abilities that do that (given no cd on them) while normal damage will mostly be abilities that do straight damage.

 

Its actually so simplistic that it makes you think its more complex then it really is. They just make it really messy looking as if to make it seem more complex when it really isn't. Hopefully they clear it up for casuals so its easier for them so they aren't looking at it just puzzled at trying to understand things.

Please then, tell me how my guildie was able to mop the floor with 7+ people in WvW? 

Don't worry about trying to explain how simple the setup is, he covered that for everyone in the GW2 forums. And yet, still, people claim he's hacking for being able to do this even though they know exactly what it is he's using, and they watched a video of him executing it... 

Originally posted by Purutzil

See you were confused how to play your class but let me give the truth... it is really that easy. Yeah, combat in GW2 is simplified to take on the concept of dodging adn being more active. Its really not complex at all. You aim for either condition damage or normal damage. Condition damage you focus on abilities that do that (given no cd on them) while normal damage will mostly be abilities that do straight damage.

 

Its actually so simplistic that it makes you think its more complex then it really is. They just make it really messy looking as if to make it seem more complex when it really isn't. Hopefully they clear it up for casuals so its easier for them so they aren't looking at it just puzzled at trying to understand things.

classic post. Yeah combo fields seemd to have thrown them for a loop...

Originally posted by Serelisk

Originally posted by Purutzil

See you were confused how to play your class but let me give the truth... it is really that easy. Yeah, combat in GW2 is simplified to take on the concept of dodging adn being more active. Its really not complex at all. You aim for either condition damage or normal damage. Condition damage you focus on abilities that do that (given no cd on them) while normal damage will mostly be abilities that do straight damage.

 

Its actually so simplistic that it makes you think its more complex then it really is. They just make it really messy looking as if to make it seem more complex when it really isn't. Hopefully they clear it up for casuals so its easier for them so they aren't looking at it just puzzled at trying to understand things.

Please then, tell me how my guildie was able to mop the floor with 7+ people in WvW? 

Don't worry about trying to explain how simple the setup is, he covered that for everyone in the GW2 forums. And yet, still, people claim he's hacking for being able to do this even though they know exactly what it is he's using, and they watched a video of him executing it... 

 

Screenshot or it didnt happen.

Originally posted by Serelisk

Originally posted by Purutzil

See you were confused how to play your class but let me give the truth... it is really that easy. Yeah, combat in GW2 is simplified to take on the concept of dodging adn being more active. Its really not complex at all. You aim for either condition damage or normal damage. Condition damage you focus on abilities that do that (given no cd on them) while normal damage will mostly be abilities that do straight damage.

 

Its actually so simplistic that it makes you think its more complex then it really is. They just make it really messy looking as if to make it seem more complex when it really isn't. Hopefully they clear it up for casuals so its easier for them so they aren't looking at it just puzzled at trying to understand things.

Please then, tell me how my guildie was able to mop the floor with 7+ people in WvW? 

Don't worry about trying to explain how simple the setup is, he covered that for everyone in the GW2 forums. And yet, still, people claim he's hacking for being able to do this even though they know exactly what it is he's using, and they watched a video of him executing it... 

 

You guildie is epic. No question about that. I bet he's a 5 time WoW glad and diamond SCII and top rank w/e LoL. 

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by Neo_Liberty

Originally posted by Karteli

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Serelisk

Originally posted by Karteli

Maybe if fans/shills would acknowledge that GW2 is highly anti-social, these posted would be a little different?

Case and point: ^This^

I'm a fan of the game and I should now acknowledge the 'fact' that is game is highly antisocial when everything I've experienced in the game has brought me to believe otherwise? 

I have a character in the game named "Plant", too. I guess I fit into both categories for people who can't see the grand truth. /endsarcasm 

There's no point.

Given his past posts, he seems to be of the crowd that believe that games should force people to talk to one another. If a game doesn't actively force players to talk to each other, then they consider it 'anti-social'.

The problem with this belief is that in order for something to be anti-social, it has to actively be avoiding or discouraging social interaction. GW2 doesn't have a single feature (that I can think of) that discourages players from interacting. Furthermore, I can think of at least a couple features GW2 has that mostly requires you talk to other players.

More to the point, people like Karteli seem to be under the assumption that if they talk to someone else, that person should always reply back to them. This leads me to believe that they probably don't have the best social skills, and may need to spend some time in the real world interacting with people directly.

Heck, even just this morning I hopped on GW2 for a bit, and had a few lengthy discussions with random players talking in /map chat. I don't go around randomly /bow-ing to people and expecting them to acknowledge me, though. The world doesn't work that way.

I'm honored you would mention me!

Sweetheart, nobody is asking this game to force feed socialization.  It comes naturally.  GW2 does not provide this.  It's the game style, it's the social mechanisms.  If you can't see this, then I'm talking to a wall.

 

Nobody is avoiding social activity, but you really can't have the same social level as other MMORPG's when everything is scripted and auto group-formed.  You simple can't.  If you say you can, they you are lying.

Sure some alternatives can be met.  Conversations can be struck up after the action.  I did that, they were all meaningless -- more just ran away others just stood there (bots?).

 

I'm under the assumption that when I send a tell I expect a reply?  Well if I never get replies how can you call this game social?  Even if the other person /spit on me that would be social.  But since GW2 emotes are so shitty, even /spit doesn't work. [Emotes are so lacking in GW2, even /smile doesn't work]

 

So getting repeatedly struck with no responses means I need to get into the real world?  No it means I need to find another MMORPG. (which many others already did apparently judging by the absense of players in the world)

 

If You are a real fan of this game, you should start caring about what others feel.

Sorry..Karteli..but you are wrong... i've played many games with emotes that were just as anti-social if not more so... not to mention that in every game i play i never use emotes and even when ppl are being social.. i've never really seen others using emotes... if the only method of communication was emotes than what u say would make sense... but emotes cannot really express emotion or feelings.. they are very simple.. if you want talk with someone u have to whisper them or talk in /say... so it really doesn't matter... in the end everyone will be using the chat box... in guild wars.. they took out the middle man and left u the chat box.. there is nothing wrong with that... if ppl aren't interested in talking.. they aren't interested.. whether u use emotes or type in the chat... it doesn't matter.. they won't talk to you..

Well emotes only add to the experience for a game to be a social MMORPG experience.

 

Others might include:

/who

/inspect (not only for gear but for achievement compares)

/trade (with other players)

 

Those just a sample of what makes a game social (don't forget to add emotes).  Take them all away and it's a very dry experience.  Don't take my word for it though .. I'm just words, let this game die. :P

Those are just staples amongst MMORPGS.  Individual games add their own.  GW2 doesn't have much to offer :=(

i don't disagree that those things add to a game.... what i disagree with is the fact that the lack of those things causes a game to be anti-social..A games community determines how social the game is. even with all of those tools.. if ppl choose not to use them.. just like they choose not to use the chat box... its pointless to have them.... everything is determined by the ppl playing.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

 

i accepted a guild invite when i started playing GW2. i have not as much talked in guild chat as of yet, and i could probably count on both my hands the times i've seen people talking in guild chat. nobody needs anyone, and everyone is just "doing their thing". the whole game was made with that mind set. everyone is replacable, and therfore nobody feels particularly useful.  

 

 

I'm still playing GW2 and somewhat enjoying it for what it is.  What it IS, however, is much less than what I thought it would be.  The quoted bit above is a scathing, but relatable, comment on the social aspect as I see it as well.

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

 

i accepted a guild invite when i started playing GW2. i have not as much talked in guild chat as of yet, and i could probably count on both my hands the times i've seen people talking in guild chat. nobody needs anyone, and everyone is just "doing their thing". the whole game was made with that mind set. everyone is replacable, and therfore nobody feels particularly useful.  

 

 

 

I'm still playing GW2 and somewhat enjoying it for what it is.  What it IS, however, is much less than what I thought it would be.  The quoted bit above is a scathing, but relatable, comment on the social aspect as I see it as well.

You know what, social people never had a problem getting a conversation going with a stranger. Why do you seem to want the game to "force" you to interact with other people? The problem is not with the game, but with people who are simply asocial or not willing to take the initiative as often as it takes.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by just1opinion

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

 

i accepted a guild invite when i started playing GW2. i have not as much talked in guild chat as of yet, and i could probably count on both my hands the times i've seen people talking in guild chat. nobody needs anyone, and everyone is just "doing their thing". the whole game was made with that mind set. everyone is replacable, and therfore nobody feels particularly useful.  

 

 

 

I'm still playing GW2 and somewhat enjoying it for what it is.  What it IS, however, is much less than what I thought it would be.  The quoted bit above is a scathing, but relatable, comment on the social aspect as I see it as well.

You know what, social people never had a problem getting a conversation going with a stranger. Why do you seem to want the game to "force" you to interact with other people? The problem is not with the game, but with people who are simply asocial or not willing to take the initiative as often as it takes.

I was really referring to the "nobody needs anybody," and "everyone is replaceable" comments.  This has more to do with the end of the trinity, imho, than it does with people being anti or asocial.  I talk to people in game, BUT.....it's not as natural a thing to do as it has been in past MMOs because it's not NECESSARY.