+1 for you Kalisti, you definitely have a good and open-minded point of view.

nariusseldon, you are also right about this. But tell me, are you SURE there IS on the market what some players are looking for?

I spent WEEKS to check the new mmorpg, to ask in forums, to play trials and free games hunting the feeling Ultima Onlien gave me. Well, i'm not the only one saying there is NO valid alternatives.

Therefore I don't see any other valid option other than helping the people who are aiming to create what is missing on the market nowdays.

Originally posted by Spider3

+1 for you Kalisti, you definitely have a good and open-minded point of view.

nariusseldon, you are also right about this. But tell me, are you SURE there IS on the market what some players are looking for?

I spent WEEKS to check the new mmorpg, to ask in forums, to play trials and free games hunting the feeling Ultima Onlien gave me. Well, i'm not the only one saying there is NO valid alternatives.

Therefore I don't see any other valid option other than helping the people who are aiming to create what is missing on the market nowdays.

If you want ultima online, you are of course out of luck. But the point is that there are many alternatives to current games.

Day Z is a good example. It is even free. How about Darkfall? The point is that you should not limit your search to those games labelled as MMOs.

Now if you claim that you did not find anything interest you .. that i won't disagree .. since everyone has different taste. But to say that all games are the same, and there are no alternatives .. is just not true. Note that new, indie efforts still may not be what you want.

And even then, if i were you, i won't give a dime to kickstarter. MMO is not the only entertainment, isn't it? You can always find alternative entertainment if you cannot find MMOs that you like.

at this point the only way to get your dream mmo is by getting a dregree in gaming development and join an mmo company and work hard enough to wither become the head of the company or open your own studio. That way you can make the game you really want.

Other than that its not going to happen. These are dark times of greed. Devs wont listen to us, if we dont pay for what they think we might like then after failing they will try to force us to pay for it before failing harder.

Originally posted by rojo6934

at this point the only way to get your dream mmo is by getting a dregree in gaming development and join an mmo company and work hard enough to wither become the head of the company or open your own studio. That way you can make the game you really want.

Other than that its not going to happen. These are dark times of greed. Devs wont listen to us, if we dont pay for what they think we might like then after failing they will try to force us to pay for it before failing harder.

That is a lot of work for nothing but entertainment.

When i look at what is available today on the market (and not just MMOs, but games, movies ..) there are plenty of entertainment i can enjoy.

I think it is not very efficient to try to create entertainment yourself, and not efficient to enjoy nothing but the most perfect "dream" game.

Devs don't listen .. i think that is the opposite. Look at WOW. Players complains encounters too difficult and everythign is nerfed.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Spider3

+1 for you Kalisti, you definitely have a good and open-minded point of view.

nariusseldon, you are also right about this. But tell me, are you SURE there IS on the market what some players are looking for?

I spent WEEKS to check the new mmorpg, to ask in forums, to play trials and free games hunting the feeling Ultima Onlien gave me. Well, i'm not the only one saying there is NO valid alternatives.

Therefore I don't see any other valid option other than helping the people who are aiming to create what is missing on the market nowdays.

If you want ultima online, you are of course out of luck. But the point is that there are many alternatives to current games.

Day Z is a good example. It is even free. How about Darkfall? The point is that you should not limit your search to those games labelled as MMOs.

Now if you claim that you did not find anything interest you .. that i won't disagree .. since everyone has different taste. But to say that all games are the same, and there are no alternatives .. is just not true. Note that new, indie efforts still may not be what you want.

And even then, if i were you, i won't give a dime to kickstarter. MMO is not the only entertainment, isn't it? You can always find alternative entertainment if you cannot find MMOs that you like.

The beauty of it is that he is NOT out of luck.  There is an alternative to what many people are looking for and that alternative is Greed Monger.  Perhaps it is not an alternative for you and thats ok, but for those of us who are looking for a UO inspired game with all the features that developers have ignored for years, GM is a breeze of fresh air.

Rheanon you hit the spot!

I wanted a game with non instanced housing, skills, where TRUE rares or UNIQUE items can be found, where economy is run by player and there is no cash shop or cold auction house. where social life in-game matters and people need each other to reach their goals in a sandbox full of possibilities.

After all my Analysis, there was NOTHING (released in the last years) satisfying this.

Upcoming games with similar features:

 Archage
 The Origins of Malu
 Greedmonger
 Everquest:Next
 Pathfinder Online

Why I picked Greed Monger? As I said, because I was impressed of the community and how devs and players are working together on a daily basis.

And of course, noone can guarantee this game will be a success and at the end will be as I really want. But now there a lot of people people discussing on the GM forums and on the #GreedMonger IRC channel, everyone is seeking more or less the concept of this sandbox and proposing all the strategy and game mechanics, working together to find the best way to satisfy everyone.

I don't have the time nor the skill to create my own MMORPG, so I follow what I think it's going to satisfy me at most. And I really trust in this project ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wkgmYxysEI&feature=plcp

Interview #1 with Markee Dragon.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Spider3

+1 for you Kalisti, you definitely have a good and open-minded point of view.

nariusseldon, you are also right about this. But tell me, are you SURE there IS on the market what some players are looking for?

I spent WEEKS to check the new mmorpg, to ask in forums, to play trials and free games hunting the feeling Ultima Onlien gave me. Well, i'm not the only one saying there is NO valid alternatives.

Therefore I don't see any other valid option other than helping the people who are aiming to create what is missing on the market nowdays.

If you want ultima online, you are of course out of luck. But the point is that there are many alternatives to current games.

Day Z is a good example. It is even free. How about Darkfall? The point is that you should not limit your search to those games labelled as MMOs.

Now if you claim that you did not find anything interest you .. that i won't disagree .. since everyone has different taste. But to say that all games are the same, and there are no alternatives .. is just not true. Note that new, indie efforts still may not be what you want.

And even then, if i were you, i won't give a dime to kickstarter. MMO is not the only entertainment, isn't it? You can always find alternative entertainment if you cannot find MMOs that you like.

Bad example, zero crafting and if you dont own Arma2 and operation arrowhead then you do pay. But I do agree with you in general. Make no mistake, this game is NOT free. We as players want to make an impact in the world we play in and to do that in this game, we need land. period. And that land costs money. As a clan admin I need to know more about this game before I ask my brothers to shell out their hard earned dollars. But if what I've been reading about the game does come to fruition, it's a game that I have been waiting for for years. Do not fuck this up devs.. :)

This issue is  if people want a game that they  love and they are sick of AAA WOW clones, you have a few choices, make your own game ....

Back some of the ones that are coming out....

Or STFU and go play Mario...

Gamers are quick to judge the game has not come out yet, and people expect it to be AAA quality, indies, make mistakes they are human, being a newer DEV myself it makes me think, do I want to make MMo's in the future?? No,  DEVS get no respect and hardly ever there money back in return so why do it, most do it because its there passion..

Which I give them alot of respect, are they GOD no, for the ones looking for just money look at alot of your AAA's EA is a prime example, they want money and thats it.. So we have our indies, we want different games, so we have our indies, you guys are making it tough for any DEV to  wanna give up there money, and there time with there wife kids, just to get bashed to no end..

I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned but chill a bit, people jump the gun way to quick and complain way to early .. Most gamers have no clue what it takes to make any game and an MMo is much , much harder and cost a ton more...

Chill people chill.

Gamers are quick to judge, for sure, but I think it's because we are all eagerly looking to fill that void left by our previous favorite games of the past.