Originally posted by Calerxes

 

 

Lizard I know exactly what you are saying and its all true, my point is that Greyhoof did exactly what I did on the SW:TOR forums its only me calling him out with his own hypocricy, I mean no disrespect to anyone else really. My original point is about the irony of Greyhooff's stance to GW2 as opposed to SW:TOR or Tera and his reply that the "servers are filing up" he has about as much real evidence as I do to the contrary but I have history on my side . If there is one thing I dislike and thats hypocricy.

Simply put, you're wrong. 

I just use evidence and common sense. 

In the case of SWTOR, the evidence and common sense showed a clear disaster in the making, and a company desperately covering it all up. Tera was a fun game but its grindy nature and muted release indicated it just wouldn't take off, having frogster handle it in europe made it all the more so. TSW had some great ideas, but the usual funcom problems and the poor metagame were always going to handicap it.

Don't forget, I actually play all these games while checking the evidence for and against them.

The evidence in the case of GW2 is that it is very successful; part of the reason for this is that it is a very solid game in its entirety.

SWTOR, Tera and TSW were not. I could have made a call on Rift, but I found it too boring personally to make a proper assessment.

I have been correct on every call I have made so far. Where is your track record? Oh you were defending SWTOR. I guess that explains your animosity towards my posts. Well, tough. 

Here is the evidence:

The server lists shows current amount of accounts playing on that server. This was stated explicitly, and very clearly.

The list is growing more and more full. You can check this right now. Right now.

I see more and more people playing, and so do my friends on another server who I cannot even join any more because my old server got full and I can't transfer back there.

GW2 is doing great. Sorry, it's just true.

Originally posted by muffins89
maybe those that claim the game is teeming with people are counting everyone's alts,  like the server status is.

It isn't.

It counts player accounts, not characters.

It doesn't matter if you "agree" with me - ArenaNet have clearly stated that it counts the number of accounts currently playing on that server, and well, you can see above the server list and how it looks.

Yeah, that's a lot of full servers. More than last week, I can tell you.

It's really very simple.

[mod edit]

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

Originally posted by Greyhooff

 

It doesn't matter if you "agree" with me - ArenaNet have clearly stated that it counts the number of accounts currently playing on that server, and well, you can see above the server list and how it looks.

Yeah, that's a lot of full servers. More than last week, I can tell you.

It's really very simple.

[mod edit]

The number of "accounts" playing on a server so its the account now not just a player.. So if the account is counted couldn't the alts on the account be counted as well.. Interesting I must retire and think about this new development. 

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Greyhooff

 

It doesn't matter if you "agree" with me - ArenaNet have clearly stated that it counts the number of accounts currently playing on that server, and well, you can see above the server list and how it looks.

Yeah, that's a lot of full servers. More than last week, I can tell you.

It's really very simple.

[mod edit]

 

The number of "accounts" playing on a server so its the account now not just a player.. So if the account is counted couldn't the alts on the account be counted as well.. Interesting I must retire and think about this new development. 

It has always been account. Each 1 player = 1 account. You can have different alts, it's still 1 account and 1 player. This has been explicitly stated.

I don't get what's so hard to understand.

Servers are full. Each unit contributing to the full server is 1 account assumed to be 1 player. It means there's a lot of actual players. It is that simple.

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

You smelly?

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

There's more than one possibility here. One, the server your on isn't actually full. Two, there aren't that many people in the level range you're in - they've maxed out their characters and are not rolling alts.

 

Isn't this the same excuses made by AOC players, Warhammer Players, TOR players etc etc... but in this case its true? 

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

There's more than one possibility here. One, the server your on isn't actually full. Two, there aren't that many people in the level range you're in - they've maxed out their characters and are not rolling alts.

 

 

Isn't this the same excuses made by AOC players, Warhammer Players, TOR players etc etc... but in this case its true? 

All those games had population drops that were very visible. The servers went empty.

In GW2 the servers are not just stable, they are filling up, fast.

Just today I now see another server has gone full that I had a friend on. Guess I'm only going to be able to do Spvp with him now.

Use common sense and actual evidence. There's an actual server list and testimonies from actual players at 80.

I'm on a high (not full) server and right now Orr is a total zerg (seriously, so many players it looks like a cattle drive of AOE spam), and I have a queue to go to WvW.

Originally posted by Greyhooff

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Greyhooff

 

It doesn't matter if you "agree" with me - ArenaNet have clearly stated that it counts the number of accounts currently playing on that server, and well, you can see above the server list and how it looks.

Yeah, that's a lot of full servers. More than last week, I can tell you.

It's really very simple.

I guess I should not be surprised to find SWTOR defenders to be a little delusional when everyone knows for a fact what a disaster that game was.

 

The number of "accounts" playing on a server so its the account now not just a player.. So if the account is counted couldn't the alts on the account be counted as well.. Interesting I must retire and think about this new development. 

It has always been account. Each 1 player = 1 account. You can have different alts, it's still 1 account. This has been explicitly stated.

I don't get what's so hard to understand. Servers are full. Each unit contributing to the full server is 1 account assumed to be 1 player. It is that simple.

But a server status of Full is meaningless unless we now what full is, 1 player, 2 players, 3 players + alts (oops how that get in there) I'm disbuting your notion that servers are filling up inferring that GW2 is growing its playerbase, which from the history of AAA MMO's since 2004 has been the opposite after 3 months, so I have history on my side. You are using the same excuses you dismissed in other games. When I used to play AOC on a medium RP server there were no more than 200 players online at peak but the server status was medium, Funcom were trying to com people into believing AOC was doing well when it wasn't and everyone knew that. So Greyhooff you can pontificate all you like but you have no proof, provide concrete proof and I'll stop calling you a hypocrite.

Originally posted by lizardbones

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

There's more than one possibility here. One, the server your on isn't actually full. Two, there aren't that many people in the level range you're in - they've maxed out their characters and are not rolling alts.

Originally posted by Greyhooff

 

It doesn't matter if you "agree" with me - ArenaNet have clearly stated that it counts the number of accounts currently playing on that server, and well, you can see above the server list and how it looks.

Yeah, that's a lot of full servers. More than last week, I can tell you.

It's really very simple.

I guess I should not be surprised to find SWTOR defenders to be a little delusional when everyone knows for a fact what a disaster that game was.

I would just like to point out that it was far from "clearly", which is why this thread exists in the first place.  Also, I could say "I am currently playing on the XYZ server on WoW" (I'm not, but I could say).  That doesn't mean that I am necessarily playing WoW at this very instant.  It could mean that when I do play WoW, I play on the XYZ server.  Even if I never actually play WoW, my characters exist there and I could still make that statement, referring to where I would play, if I were to play at this time.  English allows all sorts of meanings.  This is why I feel the community managers response was a bit disingenuous.  They definetly did not answer in a way I would consider clear and it even looks like they answered questions they wanted to answer, not quite the question that was asked.  It could also be that community manager just doesn't undertstand/speak English very well.

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

Having quite the opposite experience on Sea of Sorrow. Leveling my Engineer as my first alt, hes now up to 50, and havent soloed much at all. There are always 3-10 other people doing DEs in the zones that I am in. Not the zerg like when the game first came out, but I find it more enjoyable, and the DEs are a lot more interesting with smaller groups.

Maybe it is the choice of zones as well, I am doing the Charr / Norn zones this time around since my main was Sylvari.  

---

Originally posted by tank017

---

Originally posted by lizardbones

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

There's more than one possibility here. One, the server your on isn't actually full. Two, there aren't that many people in the level range you're in - they've maxed out their characters and are not rolling alts.

---

 

There would be at least some people who rolled alts and have gotten as far as 40 though.I'm lucky to see (literally) 2 people in 2-3 hours of play.

---

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

Having quite the opposite experience on Sea of Sorrow. Leveling my Engineer as my first alt, hes now up to 50, and havent soloed much at all. There are always 3-10 other people doing DEs in the zones that I am in. Not the zerg like when the game first came out, but I find it more enjoyable, and the DEs are a lot more interesting with smaller groups.

Maybe it is the choice of zones as well, I am doing the Charr / Norn zones this time around since my main was Sylvari.  

I've been trying to level a human warrior on Darkhaven and have been stuck soloing the DEs which is very boring. The server is listed as heavy to full throughout the day. Which is why I don't take these server numbers too seriously.

Originally posted by Kingmob23

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

Having quite the opposite experience on Sea of Sorrow. Leveling my Engineer as my first alt, hes now up to 50, and havent soloed much at all. There are always 3-10 other people doing DEs in the zones that I am in. Not the zerg like when the game first came out, but I find it more enjoyable, and the DEs are a lot more interesting with smaller groups.

Maybe it is the choice of zones as well, I am doing the Charr / Norn zones this time around since my main was Sylvari.  

I've been trying to level a human warrior on Darkhaven and have been stuck soloing the DEs which is very boring. The server is listed as heavy to full throughout the day. Which is why I don't take these server numbers too seriously.

As long as any game uses 'generic' terminology instead of actual figures, then there is a fair amount of 'leeway' in interpretation, do i believe their really full, of course not, but they are no more guilty of player number inflation etc than any other game out there, with the exception of Eve online, which afaik is the only game to actually display actual player numbers on their server. A lot of the things im hearing though seem to indicate that players arent creating all that many new toons, and that most are now busy grinding in just a few areas of the game, which would appear to be the reason why lower levelled areas are relatively empty, this is probably not an unexpected outcome given that a fair amount of the games PVE focus seems to be single player friendly.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

---

Originally posted by tank017

---

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

 

---

Originally posted by tank017
I knew there was a catch somewhere.My char is level 43 and everywhere I've been since about level 30 has been a ghost town..on a 'full server'

---

There's more than one possibility here. One, the server your on isn't actually full. Two, there aren't that many people in the level range you're in - they've maxed out their characters and are not rolling alts.

---

 

 

There would be at least some people who rolled alts and have gotten as far as 40 though.I'm lucky to see (literally) 2 people in 2-3 hours of play.

---

I don't play GW2. Got through the beta, thought it was cool, but didn't want to actually start playing. The people I know who do play aren't rolling alts. They're also still playing. They're running around on their max level characters.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned forum activity here. There is a lot of it. There's no way to tie that in to actual numbers, but I've played games that died. I know what dying forums look like. The GW2 forums don't look like that.

This is a common problem with tiered or gated content. The lower tiers are full because a lot of people roll low level alts and never progress them. The top tiers are full because a lot of people get at least one max level character. Finally, yes, the population is dropping over time. A little or a lot, it's happening. At least I assume it is. I haven't seen any indication that the population is actually growing. The middle tier levels are empty because those are the odd man out tiers. There was a thread in these forums discussing this very topic. It's a common problem and by itself doesn't indicate anything in particular.

The problem with your assumption is that dead servers and lack of alts looks exactly the same to someone in those middle tiers. You're automatically assuming that everyone left the game when they could all be running around having fun in WvW.

The real important part here is what you want to do. Do you want to get to max level or not? If not, quit whining and get out of the game. Move on with your life. Answer is the same if you want to get to max level. Quit whining. It doesn't take that long and you'll know soon enough if the server is actually dead or not.

 

Not to be contentious, but wasn't the game designed to make everything challenging and fun at max level? Your power is adjusted down and you recieve rewards of your actual level when you go into a lower leveled zone; I would think there would still be level 80 players running around the lower level content for fun.

So just because alts aren't being created doesn't mean that Tank wouldn't be seeing unpopulated zones. There's either a problem with the population, or there's a problem with the game design based on Anets design philosophy. My money is on design problems over any population issues, though.

---

Originally posted by rygard49
Not to be contentious, but wasn't the game designed to make everything challenging and fun at max level? Your power is adjusted down and you recieve rewards of your actual level when you go into a lower leveled zone; I would think there would still be level 80 players running around the lower level content for fun.

So just because alts aren't being created doesn't mean that Tank wouldn't be seeing unpopulated zones. There's either a problem with the population, or there's a problem with the game design based on Anets design philosophy. My money is on design problems over any population issues, though.

---