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  ImperialSun

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11/15/12 7:36:18 AM#41

If you want to play the game for nothing and not support it financially, you get a bare bones game.

If you want additional QoL components like additional toolbars and customization options then support the game and drop a couple of quid in to purchase them.

Don't see the problem... 

What most of you haters are really saying is you want to play the whole game with all the bells and whistles for nothing...then you bash the game for not giving you everything for nothing in return.

Driz

  Phry

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11/15/12 7:47:07 AM#42
Originally posted by tawess

So much tears and rage... i feed on it.

 

You people almost reach the level of the SWG vet community... but only almost.

 

That being said, since i bough the game when it came out i do not need to care what the entry level F2P player can or can not do... And since i intend to play the game for the story and have a select group of friends to play with i could not care less if the f2p entry level players leave in drowes.

 

I'l play this game to the bones and when it drops.. it drops. By that time it hav e given me more entertainment then a regular BW game so i am ok with that,

 

 

funny you should mention SWG, i mean, SOE changed the game completely in such a way that the existing playerbase quit enmasse.. bitter irony or just another case of deja vu, either way, its all turned into something of a farce. Seems like the only company willing to admit they got it wrong and fix their game.. is SE.. 

  tawess

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11/15/12 7:53:50 AM#43
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by tawess

So much tears and rage... i feed on it.

 

You people almost reach the level of the SWG vet community... but only almost.

 

That being said, since i bough the game when it came out i do not need to care what the entry level F2P player can or can not do... And since i intend to play the game for the story and have a select group of friends to play with i could not care less if the f2p entry level players leave in drowes.

 

I'l play this game to the bones and when it drops.. it drops. By that time it hav e given me more entertainment then a regular BW game so i am ok with that,

 

 

funny you should mention SWG, i mean, SOE changed the game completely in such a way that the existing playerbase quit enmasse.. bitter irony or just another case of deja vu, either way, its all turned into something of a farce. Seems like the only company willing to admit they got it wrong and fix their game.. is SE.. 

Indeed.. And the funniest part of the SWG Vet community is the bordeline insane refusal to admit that the game was a buggy mess from the start and that.. missguided as it was at least the NGE was trying to make it playable. Was it done the right way... .. . No not by a longshot but the game would have died any way from skill imbalances and broken builds combined with lack of rewards for the support proffesions. (Yeah even the devs them self said that muleing a support proffresion was the only way to go.)

 

In all honesty i think that the F2P will be good for SWTOR.. they just need to easy up a tiny bit on the restrictions and it will be as good as any other F2P offering out there.

 

 

Still grumpy about loosing my cartel coins... but as they say easy come, easy goes.

This have been a good conversation

  User Deleted
11/15/12 7:57:38 AM#44
Originally posted by Phry

funny you should mention SWG, i mean, SOE changed the game completely in such a way that the existing playerbase quit enmasse.. bitter irony or just another case of deja vu, either way, its all turned into something of a farce. Seems like the only company willing to admit they got it wrong and fix their game.. is SE.. 

If you repeat to yourself "SWTOR is AWESOME" enough tmes, maybe it becomes truth :)

Both SoE and EA have same way - disbelief truth so they look like madman in torn dirty clothes thinking he is royalty.

Cute but, in the end, being fair to your customers pays off in long term. Lying/missguiding them can work short term, but long term its disatreous.

What do you think EA does?

  saxifr

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11/15/12 8:20:25 AM#45
Originally posted by ImperialSun

If you want to play the game for nothing and not support it financially, you get a bare bones game.

If you want additional QoL components like additional toolbars and customization options then support the game and drop a couple of quid in to purchase them.

Don't see the problem... 

What most of you haters are really saying is you want to play the whole game with all the bells and whistles for nothing...then you bash the game for not giving you everything for nothing in return.

Driz

I think most people are more concerned   EA's F2P restrictions seem designed to drive people away, which is the exact opposite of their stated goal to bring more people in. 

 

If this game weren't mediocre single-player pablum with some lukewarm MMO features tacked on, tons more people would be playing it and paying for it, gladly.

 

RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!

  Ice-Queen

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"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

11/15/12 8:22:33 AM#46
I think EA is doing a quick milking and squeezing the existing playerbase for as much money as they can get from them before they shut the game down. It'll prob be a year or so but I can see them shutting SWTOR down.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

11/15/12 8:40:35 AM#47


Originally posted by saxifr

Originally posted by ImperialSun If you want to play the game for nothing and not support it financially, you get a bare bones game. If you want additional QoL components like additional toolbars and customization options then support the game and drop a couple of quid in to purchase them. Don't see the problem...  What most of you haters are really saying is you want to play the whole game with all the bells and whistles for nothing...then you bash the game for not giving you everything for nothing in return. Driz
I think most people are more concerned   EA's F2P restrictions seem designed to drive people away, which is the exact opposite of their stated goal to bring more people in. 

 

If this game weren't mediocre single-player pablum with some lukewarm MMO features tacked on, tons more people would be playing it and paying for it, gladly.

 




I don't think so. They aren't going to convince people who otherwise wouldn't stick around to stick around. They aren't going to convince people who otherwise wouldn't pay to pay. They're just dividing the people who will pay from the people who won't pay by pulling everyone in with the "Free" moniker.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  hikaru77

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 949

11/15/12 8:46:26 AM#48
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

They will have more people playing today than GW2 or any other MMO around but WoW. Im pretty sure they have game. 

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
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11/15/12 2:26:37 PM#49
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

They will have more people playing today than GW2 or any other MMO around but WoW. Im pretty sure they have game. 

Great,now you are going to get the typical suspects (not the word I want to use) demanding proof of this lol.

There Is Always Hope!

  User Deleted
11/15/12 2:32:54 PM#50
Originally posted by soximus

 


Originally posted by asmkm22
they're still giving a hefty percentage in royalties to Lucas Arts.

 

Of course you mean Disney Right... Seeing as they bought out Lucas Arts and all Said Companies IP's etc.

No, I mean it's going to LucasArts.  Disney now owning LucasFilms/LucasArts is beside the point.  

  Talonsin

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11/15/12 2:35:40 PM#51

I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

 

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5069

11/15/12 2:36:08 PM#52
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Phry

funny you should mention SWG, i mean, SOE changed the game completely in such a way that the existing playerbase quit enmasse.. bitter irony or just another case of deja vu, either way, its all turned into something of a farce. Seems like the only company willing to admit they got it wrong and fix their game.. is SE.. 

If you repeat to yourself "SWTOR is AWESOME" enough tmes, maybe it becomes truth :)

Both SoE and EA have same way - disbelief truth so they look like madman in torn dirty clothes thinking he is royalty.

Cute but, in the end, being fair to your customers pays off in long term. Lying/missguiding them can work short term, but long term its disatreous.

What do you think EA does?

Earth and Beyond, thats what i think EA does, it always seems to end badly, is it a jinx or is it interference,  has any company flourished under EA ?

  SuprGamerX

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Joined: 1/05/09
Posts: 538

11/15/12 2:39:46 PM#53
 LOL!! EA will always be garbage , once the game racks in no profit they'll simply pull the plug and shut the game down , those still playing SW:ToR WTF are you waiting for to uninstall this sorry excuse of a MMO?   This is even worst then Age of Conan , which is pretty hard for me to believe!! LOL!!
  cura

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Posts: 860

11/15/12 2:44:09 PM#54
Originally posted by Talonsin

I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

 

I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

  LizardEgypt

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Posts: 359

Hmm ?

11/15/12 2:45:05 PM#55
And this is why in the realm of Themepark, Rift is the only game worth looking at. These F2p transitions will only continue to get worse as people start to accept more.

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  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5069

11/15/12 2:49:08 PM#56
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Talonsin

I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

 

I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

There arent enough slots, at least not after the first 15 or so levels.  a single hot bar is nowhere near close enough. Which means if you really are serious about playing, you must buy the extra hot bars. But thats just a single factor, just wait till you get loot drops you can't use without paying to unlock.

  cura

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11/15/12 2:54:36 PM#57
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Talonsin

I have played since launch, pre-ordered the CE on day one and still play for the story and even I think that charging for a frickin action bar is insane.  It honestly is an all time low for a publisher.  I thought the lockboxes in STO were bad (and they are) but having to pay to get an action bar?  I am in complete shock over how awful this is.

 

I wonder how F2P people are supposed to play without ability to slot their skills. Or maybe there is enough slots by default?

There arent enough slots, at least not after the first 15 or so levels.  a single hot bar is nowhere near close enough. Which means if you really are serious about playing, you must buy the extra hot bars. But thats just a single factor, just wait till you get loot drops you can't use without paying to unlock.

Heh, i can imagine.

BTW, just found cartel points calculator which gives you $ estmation

http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-cartel-market-calculator/2769/

  kevnon

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11/15/12 2:55:10 PM#58
just tried out swtor, and im so far pretty happy.  only lvl 12 but i like it.  might actually subscribe to it, well see how everything goes.

kevin ripka

  casual187

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11/15/12 2:57:47 PM#59
Originally posted by Boldyn

MegAtrO...ah cba, the first player ever to whine about something that is free! Oh wait, you ain't. My bad.

 

You don't have to pay for those bars to try the game out. It's an excellent way to let people try the game. If i fall for an MMO I would be happy to pay a monthly fee, like I did with WoW, Rift, Eve and other games untill the day I decided not to play them anymore. Just like I did with SWTOR. F2P wont see me return, even if it was all free ;)

 

Bottom line is you all look jaded by now with the whole "*Sniff* EA destroyed my hopes for a Star Wars mmo".

 

If you like the game, pay. If you don't like the game, don't play. If you want to try it out, do so, it's f2p.

 

Other than that, move the F on allready!

*clap* *clap* *clap* vey well said.

  kevjards

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11/15/12 2:59:17 PM#60
i,m logging in just to see the restrictions..i think the game is about to get blasted into the cosmos again.all these restrictions.especially the ui,that beggars belief.i seriouly dont think they are doin themselves any favours by restrictions on the ui.
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