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  Anaba77

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OP  11/15/12 5:15:45 AM#21

Ppl should just wait and see since they won't pay any monthly fee either.

Somehwere I've read about the agony debuff which has to be countered in some PVE instances and that requires the Ascended stats. Anet posted:   Exotic > Ascended > Legendary

So I guess this answer means just this:

"We want to add new content for high lvl armor, but not necessarily where only legendary armor is needed to get into this new content because we are aware that legendary grind is really big. That's why we add this mid-tier (and inserting a new anti agony stat because of certain pve boss encounters) to make sure that more ppl can benefit from the new content and  not only highendtierwhatsover-geared peeps. At the beginning  the first two items (rings and backs) are available in the new dungeon. In the near future all the ascended gear is available all over many events in Tyria and that's because we don't want that ppl feel that Ascended is a grind-fest... blablabla"

But I could be wrong and that's why I just should wait and see.

And to judge things I guess you should wait, too. Anet won't spoil all their future stuff just to please all the whining on the forums.

/my 2 cents

 

 

P.S.: no fanboy here

  Gaia_Hunter

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11/15/12 5:19:12 AM#22
Originally posted by aesperus

Well, we are going to have to wait and see. However;

While I was initially very concerned over what I was hearing about ascended armor, the more info I see, the more it seems like they are doing the same thing they did in GW1.

Mainly, in GW1 there was a portion of the game in which you had to get help from the Seers to infuse your gear. Infusing your gear 'made it more powerful', by giving it resistance to a specific buff called 'Spectral Agony'. Without fully infused gear you would take so much damage that even the most defensive skill combinations couldn't keep up and you would just die.

What's important to note about this is both 1) Infused gear wasn't a higher tier of gear. 2) It existed within the same realm of gear available, and what made it stronger was it's resistance to a very specific, pve-only buff.

This isn't to say that people shouldn't be following this new update with eyebrows raised. Anet used some very poor wording imho. However, I will say that, based on the information given, they aren't doing anything different (gear-wise) from what they did in GW1. While they called it a 'tier', it's sounded much less like a tier, and more like a PvE buff to allow players access to very specific PvE content.

I think people need to hold off on judgement until the weekend when we know the facts.

In GW1 infused never increased item stats.

When GW1 released Sword Max damage was 15-22. Today the max sword damage is 15-22.

In GW1 max Armor defense was 80 for heavy professions, 70 for medium and 60 for light. When I infuse the armor the defense remains the same.

So yeah they are doing something completely different - they are increasing the max stats of gear rendering all the exotic gear (eventually when all the ascendent items are released) obsolete.

They are making max stats items obsolete.

 

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  xpiher

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Joined: 8/22/08
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11/15/12 5:19:15 AM#23
Wait and see means I quit because I'm not going to outfit all my alts with exotics and ascended gear just to see it go poof not the best anymore. 


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  Anaba77

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Joined: 9/14/12
Posts: 34

 
OP  11/15/12 5:21:10 AM#24
Originally posted by xpiher
Wait and see means I quit because I'm not going to outfit all my alts with exotics and ascended gear just to see it go poof not the best anymore. 

 

LOL, this made my day, sir ;)

  Nitth

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11/15/12 5:22:05 AM#25

There doing like every company does, Their double dipping trying to please both parties.
Never usually works, One side wont compromise.


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  Gaia_Hunter

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Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2446

11/15/12 5:22:09 AM#26
Originally posted by Anaba77

Ppl should just wait and see since they won't pay any monthly fee either.

Somehwere I've read about the agony debuff which has to be countered in some PVE instances and that requires the Ascended stats. Anet posted:   Exotic > Ascended > Legendary

So I guess this answer means just this:

"We want to add new content for high lvl armor, but not necessarily where only legendary armor is needed to get into this new content because we are aware that legendary grind is really big. That's why we add this mid-tier (and inserting a new anti agony stat because of certain pve boss ecounters) to make sure that more ppl can benefit from the new content and  not only highendtierwhatsover-geared peeps. At the beginning  the first to items (rings and backs) are available in the new dungeon. In the near future all the ascended gear are available all over many events in Tyria and that's why we don't want that ppl feel that Ascended is a grind-fest... blablabla"

But I could be wrong and that's why I just should wait and see.

And to judge things I guess you should wait, too. Anet won't spoil all their future stuff just to please all the whining on the forums.

/my 2 cents

 

 

P.S.: no fanboy here

The problem is not the infusion.

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

They just came and said - "see your exotic rings? they are filler trash now. And in aometime all of your exotics will be.Ah we did this because some people were complaining there was no progression after exotics. we are sure those people wont be bored in 3 months again"

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  Indrome

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Joined: 5/03/12
Posts: 294

This is like trying to drive straight through Schroedinger's minefield!

11/15/12 5:23:52 AM#27

If you can read between the lines and know a bit about game development, design and community management, it pretty much answers everything everyone has been whining about.

I still don't understand what gets people so up in arms about complex ideas they don't immediately agree with or understand that they generalize and simplify it down to what they think they disagree most with ... just so they can start whining and bashing away at it. Get a grip. oO

 

 

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

[ ... ]

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

  TheIronLegion

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Joined: 9/06/12
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Act with wisdom, but act.

11/15/12 5:24:12 AM#28
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by Anaba77

Well, this guy is talking about no treadmill and that new gear will be available from more content (new and old) so it doesn't feel a grind.

For me that's an answer and tbh I hate it when ppl whine before content is released.

 

/my 2 cents

I don't care about the content. I care if there will be new gear after ascended that will be required to do future content. And it doesn't answer anything because 

 

" We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features." 

This could mean anything! It could mean more gear, it could be Ascended armor with future upgrades that can placed into that slot. I want to know what they exactly plan! 

And like my edit says. ITS NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT.  I care about direction!

you talk as if theres a huge difference in all of the gear. Seriously...go look at the stats on each tier of gear. It's like a 2 point difference on each. Lets be realistic here. I've been wearing lvl 60 cultural armor forever and I'm level 80 now....Is my gear outdated? Nope the stat difference between it and the level 80 cultural are stupid minimal and not worth me spending 20+ gold on the next set. You sound like someone who wants the next shiny thing because its new and slightly better. I'd be willing to bet that if Apple released the iPhone 7 right now you'd buy it without even considering the differences between it and the current revision of iPhone that you currently have(it's slightly thinner...congrats).

  Anaba77

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Joined: 9/14/12
Posts: 34

 
OP  11/15/12 5:24:19 AM#29
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

The problem is not the infusion.

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

They just came and said - "see your exotic rings? they are filler trash now. And in aometime all of your exotics will be.Ah we did this because some people were complaining there was no progression after exotics. we are sure those people wont be bored in 3 months again"

May I ask you (pls be honest) how long did it take you to get a full set of exotics ?

  xpiher

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Joined: 8/22/08
Posts: 3235

11/15/12 5:27:56 AM#30
Originally posted by Indrome

If you can read between the lines and know a bit about game development, design and community management, it pretty much answers everything everyone has been whining about.

I still don't understand what gets people so up in arms about complex ideas they don't immediately agree with or understand that they generalize and simplify it down to what they think they disagree most with ... just so they can start whining and bashing away at it. Get a grip. oO

 

 

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

[ ... ]

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

 

They said legendaries will be upscaled. If they said exotics would be then there wouldn't be any complaining. 


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  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2446

11/15/12 5:28:57 AM#31
Originally posted by Anaba77
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

The problem is not the infusion.

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

They just came and said - "see your exotic rings? they are filler trash now. And in aometime all of your exotics will be.Ah we did this because some people were complaining there was no progression after exotics. we are sure those people wont be bored in 3 months again"

May I ask you (pls be honest) how long did it take you to get a full set of exotics ?

For my 8 caracters? Multiple sets for different builds?

Work in progress I'm affraid.

Currently playing: GW2
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  xpiher

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Joined: 8/22/08
Posts: 3235

11/15/12 5:30:40 AM#32
Originally posted by TheIronLegion
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by Anaba77

Well, this guy is talking about no treadmill and that new gear will be available from more content (new and old) so it doesn't feel a grind.

For me that's an answer and tbh I hate it when ppl whine before content is released.

 

/my 2 cents

I don't care about the content. I care if there will be new gear after ascended that will be required to do future content. And it doesn't answer anything because 

 

" We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features." 

This could mean anything! It could mean more gear, it could be Ascended armor with future upgrades that can placed into that slot. I want to know what they exactly plan! 

And like my edit says. ITS NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT.  I care about direction!

you talk as if theres a huge difference in all of the gear. Seriously...go look at the stats on each tier of gear. It's like a 2 point difference on each. Lets be realistic here. I've been wearing lvl 60 cultural armor forever and I'm level 80 now....Is my gear outdated? Nope the stat difference between it and the level 80 cultural are stupid minimal and not worth me spending 20+ gold on the next set. You sound like someone who wants the next shiny thing because its new and slightly better. I'd be willing to bet that if Apple released the iPhone 7 right now you'd buy it without even considering the differences between it and the current revision of iPhone that you currently have(it's slightly thinner...congrats).

 

It doesn't matter how much better the gear is. It matters if they added better than ascended gear, in stats, in the next update and if Ascended gear is needed to even have a chance at doing the next content update. Thats the issue. Thats the reason I dont play games like WoW. I hate gear treadmills. GW2 wasn't suppose to have them. 

Also, your math is wrong. Once the entire set, and entire set of ascended armor will be nearly 40% better than an entire set of Exotics. Futhermoe, its currently 5 points better, not two.  


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  Gaia_Hunter

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11/15/12 5:30:56 AM#33
Originally posted by Indrome

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

[ ... ]

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

If you are going to make posts about other people bashing stuff they don't understand at least make sure you have actually understand what Anet said.

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  Anaba77

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OP  11/15/12 5:31:06 AM#34
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

For my 8 caracters? Multiple sets for different builds?

Work in progress I'm affraid.

ofc for one char ... don't fool me, pls

 

  aesperus

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11/15/12 5:32:01 AM#35
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by aesperus

Well, we are going to have to wait and see. However;

While I was initially very concerned over what I was hearing about ascended armor, the more info I see, the more it seems like they are doing the same thing they did in GW1.

Mainly, in GW1 there was a portion of the game in which you had to get help from the Seers to infuse your gear. Infusing your gear 'made it more powerful', by giving it resistance to a specific buff called 'Spectral Agony'. Without fully infused gear you would take so much damage that even the most defensive skill combinations couldn't keep up and you would just die.

What's important to note about this is both 1) Infused gear wasn't a higher tier of gear. 2) It existed within the same realm of gear available, and what made it stronger was it's resistance to a very specific, pve-only buff.

This isn't to say that people shouldn't be following this new update with eyebrows raised. Anet used some very poor wording imho. However, I will say that, based on the information given, they aren't doing anything different (gear-wise) from what they did in GW1. While they called it a 'tier', it's sounded much less like a tier, and more like a PvE buff to allow players access to very specific PvE content.

I think people need to hold off on judgement until the weekend when we know the facts.

In GW1 infused never increased item stats.

When GW1 released Sword Max damage was 15-22. Today the max sword damage is 15-22.

In GW1 max Armor defense was 80 for heavy professions, 70 for medium and 60 for light. When I infuse the armor the defense remains the same.

So yeah they are doing something completely different - they are increasing the max stats of gear rendering all the exotic gear (eventually when all the ascendent items are released) obsolete.

They are making max stats items obsolete.

The ascended items stats are in between exotics & legendaries. They posted some of the stat comparisons, and so far they are extremely minor. If they keep going w/ that trend, then yes it's definitely cause for alarm. But I'm not about to call foul over a ~10 point increase to a stat when I'm sitting at 3000. It'll be hard to notice that extra ~20 dmg on a 1700 dmg hit, tbh.

I'm not sure how that really makes max stat items obsolete, either. What they are doing isn't 100% identical to the infused armor from GW1, however the implementation / function / wording that we've been given so far is very much the same.

Hence the 'wait and see' statement before crying wolf.

  xpiher

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11/15/12 5:32:31 AM#36
Originally posted by Anaba77
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

For my 8 caracters? Multiple sets for different builds?

Work in progress I'm affraid.

ofc for one char ... don't fool me, pls

 

Not done yet because i only have 1 set of exotic armor and need more than 1 set to have fully completed character that can play more than 1 build. I currently only have my PvE set. I need 2-3 sets for WvW and dungons 


Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher

  Indrome

Novice Member

Joined: 5/03/12
Posts: 294

This is like trying to drive straight through Schroedinger's minefield!

11/15/12 5:32:42 AM#37
Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

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The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

They said legendaries will be upscaled. If they said exotics would be then there wouldn't be any complaining. 

My bad. Then... where's the problem again? Where's that "tier with better stats"? If up to now you could only get legendary weapons, then you can start getting "legendary" armor now. ... I'd call that pretty sweet since in a huge event like this it'll be very easy.

There was always supposed to be legendary armor at some point... well this is it.

  xpiher

Elite Member

Joined: 8/22/08
Posts: 3235

11/15/12 5:34:14 AM#38
Originally posted by Indrome
Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

[ ... ]

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

They said legendaries will be upscaled. If they said exotics would be then there wouldn't be any complaining. 

My bad. Then... where's the problem again? Where's that "tier with better stats"? If up to now you could only get legendary weapons, then you can start getting "legendary" armor now. ... I'd call that pretty sweet since in a huge event like this it'll be very easy.

There was always supposed to be legendary armor at some point... well this is it.

You really don't understand.... Legendary armor, if it existed right now, would have the same stats as Exotics. 

Anyways, the problem is with trend. If new gear/upgrades are added in the future that are better than we have after a full set of ascended is obtained then its gear treadmill. If they add new armor/upgrades with the same stats as ascended that only work with the new content, then its not tread mill (because don't need the previous set to do the new dungeon). They need to be clear were they are going with it.


Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher

  aesperus

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 4508

11/15/12 5:34:51 AM#39
Originally posted by Indrome
Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

[ ... ]

The problem is that they made a tier with better stats.

[ ... ]

And it has been said multiple times already that exotics will be upscaled. RTFM

They said legendaries will be upscaled. If they said exotics would be then there wouldn't be any complaining. 

My bad. Then... where's the problem again? Where's that "tier with better stats"? If up to now you could only get legendary weapons, then you can start getting "legendary" armor now. ... I'd call that pretty sweet since in a huge event like this it'll be very easy.

There was always supposed to be legendary armor at some point... well this is it.

Actually, I'm fairly certain they said it was exotics that would be upscaled. Based on the stats they leaked in response to the outcry, Ascended gear isn't going to be any better than current legendaries (aside from the infusion socket).

  Ethos86

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/03/11
Posts: 129

11/15/12 5:35:35 AM#40

How pathetic how entitled some people are to their "currently max stat" gear.

How much effort was it to get that full exotic set... not much really. Yesterday I upgraded my aquatic weapons to exotic, even knowing they will add ascended in the future.

What content is really that challenging that your personal skill can't overcome it? You could do everything at lvl 80 with rare gear if you are not a crappy player, you don't even need exotic. Exotic gear was there to make it just more chill and comfortable, and for the people like me who like to max the stats anyway.

Now it's okay, you also want to max your stats... so you feel the need to have ascended. But then why do you think you have to get everything without any effort. Cmon it's silly. First you guys complain there's nothing left to obtain after you have your character on exotics, now you cry and be lazy. In this weekend's update there will ascended rings added and an ascended backpiece.

Sooo... they add a very good version of a backpiece, which people complained about there wasn't an exotic version from it. So you don't have to replace that exotic... the best one was a gold or a green one before.

You only have to replace 2 exotic rings, by 2 ascended rings. For each character if you rly have multiple lvl 80's. Wow... what a freaking stat increase right now and what a huge effort... yes they will add more ascended in the future but what do you wanna do all day? Dance in Lion's Arch? There's more then enough time to aquire the optional stat increase items. For all we know your exotics might not even be obsolete but required to upgrade them to ascended, we don't know yet how the aquireing works for these new items.

Sometimes i rly hate this MMO community. Full of entitled pricks who are never pleased and always whine. You guys are silly.

 

And let me tell you. Within a few years, when you move on to another game and never play GW2 again. All your achievements and aquired gear will be obsolete anyway. It's a game... go with the flow of the game or quit, don't cry about it as if your life achievements depend on it.

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