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  Karteli

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11/14/12 9:52:34 PM#21
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

oh, there are already people planning to spend 200 bucks and more on craptastic virtual items from the cartel store.

Now with the remaining hardcore player base, the milking is ready to begin

They must have brought on former Funcom staff members as consultants. 

Funcom could have done a hundred times better job on the whole game, they should have given the Star Wars IP to them

Isn't one of Funcom's  buyers EA? (since their troubles)

 Funcom dug their own grave.  Having SWTOR in the hands of another EA lacky wouldn't help much for SW fans.

 

If SOE had SWTOR, that would almost certainly be better than the current situation.  SOE knew about their screwups.  EA doesn't know about SW screwups, so they are below SOE.

 

Funcom is completely independent, they only used EA as a freakin' disc publisher and for logistics, they are not in the EA grave like Bioware.

Anyway either SOE or FC could have done an incredibly better product than Bioware slapped in our faces with TOR

Like how AoC was a pretty big flop?  TSW is doing well mainly because its a new and different vibe that the traditional fantasy.  EAWare made the mistake of making a WoW clone which pretty much equates to a misread of what the consumers wanted.  SWTOR has a great story and really lover the whole party dialogue options but the limitations in the other aspects of the game sealed its fate.  I find it doubtful that Funcom would have done much better, hence the Failcom stigmata.    But really... EAWare is a single player RPG company with bout zero experience in the MMO world or what experience they acquired wasn't sufficient.  Thats like having some fancy dancy fasion model company that sells shoes for $1,000s of dollars all of a sudden make practical outdoor hiking shoes.... thats just a recepie of disaster.

We shall see.  If you get too involved with what TSW offered, then you lose sight of what's going on behind you back.

 

We shall see. lulz.

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  VonTakala

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11/14/12 9:54:15 PM#22
Originally posted by Zzad
Originally posted by MeGaTronPower

Bioware the first f2p company to charge you for your skill bars in your ui

Sad but true....

I can´t believe what Bioware has turned into :(

Sad days...

Ditto, they started in western Canada and are now essentially based in the US with the other EA staff.

The Ddoctors who started Bioware got their massive payout and have now run off.

Bioware doesn't exist, The End.

 

  monstermmo

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11/14/12 9:55:33 PM#23
I will be truly surprised if the limit on hotbars stays. That alone will stop people from playing, not make them want to buy another bar.

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  Karteli

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11/14/12 9:56:21 PM#24
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

oh, there are already people planning to spend 200 bucks and more on craptastic virtual items from the cartel store.

Now with the remaining hardcore player base, the milking is ready to begin

They must have brought on former Funcom staff members as consultants. 

Funcom could have done a hundred times better job on the whole game, they should have given the Star Wars IP to them

Isn't one of Funcom's  buyers EA? (since their troubles)

 Funcom dug their own grave.  Having SWTOR in the hands of another EA lacky wouldn't help much for SW fans.

 

If SOE had SWTOR, that would almost certainly be better than the current situation.  SOE knew about their screwups.  EA doesn't know about SW screwups, so they are below SOE.

 

Funcom is completely independent, they only used EA as a freakin' disc publisher and for logisitcs, they are not in the EA grave like Bioware.

Anyway either SOE or FC could have done an incredibly better product than Bioware slapped in our faces with TOR

Funcom got into bed with EA.  They are no longer independant.

Funcom is going bankrupt (numbers, man, numbers).

Rumors abound of interest by EA to acquire Funcom (hit em while they are low).

 

The Secret World might charge for Action Bars, one day.  UI too.  I don't see that as good.  To the OP's post, SWTOR's Freemium might carry over to TSW.

 

You can keep saying that Funcom is independant, that's fine.  They are hurting, and they are looking for a way out.  TSW was not a successful MMORPG.

 

BioWare isn't independant, far from it.  The doctors running the company sold it in 2007.  Every action from early game release to early patch release was at the hands of EA.  Share a bed with EA and you get a paycheck but you are done.

 

Just throwing this in for posterity, so the thread can have a full quote .. not one cut and pasted.

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  soximus

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11/14/12 10:31:05 PM#25


Originally posted by asmkm22
they're still giving a hefty percentage in royalties to Lucas Arts.

Of course you mean Disney Right... Seeing as they bought out Lucas Arts and all Said Companies IP's etc.

  FrodoFragins

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11/14/12 10:35:28 PM#26
It's crap.  I was planning on returning but I have a lvl 50 Sith Assasin and a lvl 35 Bounty hunter.  I'd already lose the action bars for my alt and can't imagine playing him gimped like that.  I'm going to try and hold out a while to see if they come to their senses on the action bars.  I'd consider paying for the extra character slots per server, but not action bars.
  Destai

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11/14/12 10:36:43 PM#27
Originally posted by MeGaTronPower

Bioware the first f2p company to charge you for your skill bars in your ui, i think they might as well charge you everytiem you try to login and customize your new character too while they are at it.

 

OOOO yea how about those slide bars that you customize your character with , heyyyy they might want to charge for those slide bars too.

I think it's imperative we let this one sink. The nickel and diming has to stop and a big game needs to fall on its behind - a message needs to be sent.

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  Boldyn

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11/14/12 10:41:49 PM#28

MegAtrO...ah cba, the first player ever to whine about something that is free! Oh wait, you ain't. My bad.

 

You don't have to pay for those bars to try the game out. It's an excellent way to let people try the game. If i fall for an MMO I would be happy to pay a monthly fee, like I did with WoW, Rift, Eve and other games untill the day I decided not to play them anymore. Just like I did with SWTOR. F2P wont see me return, even if it was all free ;)

 

Bottom line is you all look jaded by now with the whole "*Sniff* EA destroyed my hopes for a Star Wars mmo".

 

If you like the game, pay. If you don't like the game, don't play. If you want to try it out, do so, it's f2p.

 

Other than that, move the F on allready!

  FromHell

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11/14/12 10:41:50 PM#29
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

oh, there are already people planning to spend 200 bucks and more on craptastic virtual items from the cartel store.

Now with the remaining hardcore player base, the milking is ready to begin

They must have brought on former Funcom staff members as consultants. 

Funcom could have done a hundred times better job on the whole game, they should have given the Star Wars IP to them

Isn't one of Funcom's  buyers EA? (since their troubles)

 Funcom dug their own grave.  Having SWTOR in the hands of another EA lacky wouldn't help much for SW fans.

 

If SOE had SWTOR, that would almost certainly be better than the current situation.  SOE knew about their screwups.  EA doesn't know about SW screwups, so they are below SOE.

 

Funcom is completely independent, they only used EA as a freakin' disc publisher and for logisitcs, they are not in the EA grave like Bioware.

Anyway either SOE or FC could have done an incredibly better product than Bioware slapped in our faces with TOR

Funcom got into bed with EA.  They are no longer independant.

Funcom is going bankrupt (numbers, man, numbers).

Rumors abound of interest by EA to acquire Funcom (hit em while they are low).

 

The Secret World might charge for Action Bars, one day.  UI too.  I don't see that as good.  To the OP's post, SWTOR's Freemium might carry over to TSW.

 

You can keep saying that Funcom is independant, that's fine.  They are hurting, and they are looking for a way out.  TSW was not a successful MMORPG.

 

BioWare isn't independant, far from it.  The doctors running the company sold it in 2007.  Every action from early game release to early patch release was at the hands of EA.  Share a bed with EA and you get a paycheck but you are done.

 

Just throwing this in for posterity, so the thread can have a full quote .. not one cut and pasted.

you obviously don't have clue what a publisher is, what a developer is and the difference of a publisher OWNING a developer (Hint:EA= Bioware! Funcom =/= EA, they are on the stock market as Funcom).

EA printed and shipped the TSW discs to stores, they don't even have the rights to distribute the game digitally.

 

EA might BUY Funcom in the future, but there are also other companies on this planet, surprise)

 

btw TSW is doing very well and is now profitable, and no, they won't sell silly UI elements, neither are they doing any such stupid crap in AoC.

So, please stop spreading tinfoil hat misinformation in the future

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  Karteli

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11/14/12 10:48:26 PM#30
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by FromHell
Originally posted by LIOKI
I find it amusing that failware still thinks they even have a game in swtor.

oh, there are already people planning to spend 200 bucks and more on craptastic virtual items from the cartel store.

Now with the remaining hardcore player base, the milking is ready to begin

They must have brought on former Funcom staff members as consultants. 

Funcom could have done a hundred times better job on the whole game, they should have given the Star Wars IP to them

Isn't one of Funcom's  buyers EA? (since their troubles)

 Funcom dug their own grave.  Having SWTOR in the hands of another EA lacky wouldn't help much for SW fans.

 

If SOE had SWTOR, that would almost certainly be better than the current situation.  SOE knew about their screwups.  EA doesn't know about SW screwups, so they are below SOE.

 

Funcom is completely independent, they only used EA as a freakin' disc publisher and for logisitcs, they are not in the EA grave like Bioware.

Anyway either SOE or FC could have done an incredibly better product than Bioware slapped in our faces with TOR

Funcom got into bed with EA.  They are no longer independant.

Funcom is going bankrupt (numbers, man, numbers).

Rumors abound of interest by EA to acquire Funcom (hit em while they are low).

 

The Secret World might charge for Action Bars, one day.  UI too.  I don't see that as good.  To the OP's post, SWTOR's Freemium might carry over to TSW.

 

You can keep saying that Funcom is independant, that's fine.  They are hurting, and they are looking for a way out.  TSW was not a successful MMORPG.

 

BioWare isn't independant, far from it.  The doctors running the company sold it in 2007.  Every action from early game release to early patch release was at the hands of EA.  Share a bed with EA and you get a paycheck but you are done.

 

Just throwing this in for posterity, so the thread can have a full quote .. not one cut and pasted.

you obviously don't have clue what a publisher is, what a developer is and the difference of a publisher OWNING a developer (Hint:EA= Bioware! Funcom =/= EA, they are on the stock market as Funcom).

EA might BUY Funcom, but there are also other companies on this planet, surprise)

 

btw TSW is doing very well and is now profitable, and no, they won't sell silly UI elemts, neither are they doing any such stupid crap in AoC.

So, please stop spreading tinfoil hat misinformation in the future

Quite passionate you are, against what is known.

 

We shall see.. we shall see ..  :-)

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  MMOExposed

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11/15/12 12:28:20 AM#31
Originally posted by Zzad
Originally posted by MeGaTronPower

Bioware the first f2p company to charge you for your skill bars in your ui

Sad but true....

I can´t believe what Bioware has turned into :(

Sad days...

SWTOR cost lists of money to make. They have to make that money back. Low subs, they need money.

  Loke666

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11/15/12 12:57:22 AM#32
Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh
Originally posted by wowfan1996

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Problem is that neither company should try to make a Star wars game really. To make a really good Star wars game you need a customized system instead of the old MMO mechanics. Even SOE realized that for SWG (but later backtracked).

I dont however think SOE either should have the license, you need someone that can make a none trinity MMO (healers and tanks are not in the IP, you dont see Jedis and Siths combat heal in the movies or books). SOE can do that but so far every SOE game I played have been buggier than the temple of Doom and Smed are a bit too greedy to make the SW games the IP deserves.

I would suggest Bethesda but seeing what they have done with ESO stops me from that.

So if I would have to choose a company that could pull it off I would say: Rockstar. They are good on mixing RPG and action games, have good programmers and enough money to pull the whole thing off. Yeah, they havnt made a MMO before but that might be a good thing because what works in a fantasy MMO does not work in the Star wars world.

  achesoma

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11/15/12 1:54:40 AM#33
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh
Originally posted by wowfan1996

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[mod edit]

Problem is that neither company should try to make a Star wars game really. To make a really good Star wars game you need a customized system instead of the old MMO mechanics. Even SOE realized that for SWG (but later backtracked).

I dont however think SOE either should have the license, you need someone that can make a none trinity MMO (healers and tanks are not in the IP, you dont see Jedis and Siths combat heal in the movies or books). SOE can do that but so far every SOE game I played have been buggier than the temple of Doom and Smed are a bit too greedy to make the SW games the IP deserves.

I would suggest Bethesda but seeing what they have done with ESO stops me from that.

So if I would have to choose a company that could pull it off I would say: Rockstar. They are good on mixing RPG and action games, have good programmers and enough money to pull the whole thing off. Yeah, they havnt made a MMO before but that might be a good thing because what works in a fantasy MMO does not work in the Star wars world.

This x1000.  Using trinity in a SW MMO is almost a guaranteed failure.  Just hanging back and throwing heals while someone wrangles up agro simply doesn't give the feel of SW.  

At least, the good thing about ESO is the more action focused combat and all classes can equip anything.  Though I'm disappointed about it being instanced/phased all to hell and travel limited to own faction zones.

  User Deleted
11/15/12 2:07:43 AM#34
Originally posted by ForumPvP

EA thinks that skill bars are best part of their game.

well they might be right.

Quickbars AND hide helmet slot...tells more about their armor design since theres obviously huge demand for hide helmet option ;P

Also i wished many times for "hide all armor slots" button ;P

  achesoma

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11/15/12 2:12:44 AM#35
The F2P seems like a total scam and EA is doing a horrible job of hiding it.  If people want the whole game they might as well just sub, it will be cheaper. 

  lizardbones

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11/15/12 7:26:57 AM#36

Well, their plan is to have the story content (leveling) be free, and the repeatable content (like raids) be the paid content. The people only interested in the story content won't need those UI bars, but the people who want to do the paid content will likely need those UI bars, so they'll pay more money.

I suppose it makes sense. It's not like any one virtual item is worth more than any other virtual item so it doesn't really matter what they charge for, so long as they know what they can charge for that people will buy.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  tawess

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11/15/12 7:31:21 AM#37

So much tears and rage... i feed on it.

 

You people almost reach the level of the SWG vet community... but only almost.

 

That being said, since i bough the game when it came out i do not need to care what the entry level F2P player can or can not do... And since i intend to play the game for the story and have a select group of friends to play with i could not care less if the f2p entry level players leave in drowes.

 

I'l play this game to the bones and when it drops.. it drops. By that time it hav e given me more entertainment then a regular BW game so i am ok with that,

 

 

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  Elikal

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11/15/12 7:31:52 AM#38

Funny thing is, they have almost nothing worth buying. Most gear looks crap or is something you can also buy in the GTN for a normal price.

Why did they not add some really cool gear, and then maybe 5 additional races? The ingame models of some races are there, they would just have to unlock them. NO NPC ever noticed anything else that was was human or alien, anyway. And there aren't any lasting effects in stories, which are affected by real aliens, like Nautolans or Mon Cal. *shrug* Or some really cool mounts, like the SWG Vactaryl. Which also exists in SWTOR. But not as mount.

Or rename service, re-race service, respec service?

 

I have so many ideas to make money with an itemshop that make sense, and not this crap like quickbars or titles. Sometimes I feel like the want to ruin SWTOR on purpose, like "Oh lets test how much crap Star Wars fans will endure until they quit, haha". :/

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Whitebeards

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11/15/12 7:32:33 AM#39
There is first time  for everything in life. lol
  Thane

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11/15/12 7:35:09 AM#40
hey, we can blame disney now! :)

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