What happend to this? People all want progression or some title. What happend to just being better than the guy on the other side of the computer screen? What happend to good old fashion ass woopins? When did MMO's become so Vain?

Will it ever go back to "Hey, see this name above my avatars head? Yeah he just kicked your ass."

I wish people would just PvP for the sake of PvP'ing like in the old days. PvP to kill people. Thats it. Thats the whole entire point and always has been. Is that not enough for you people anymore or what?

Nothing wrong with a little bit of loot. I"m talking about all those people that say "Oh whats the point of the PvP in XYZ game. Theres just no point!! All we do is fight each other for nothing!!" Well YEAH thats what PvP is.

You fight each other to fight each other. PvP = Player vs Player

I do PvP for the sake of it all the time. A little loot and XP doesn't hurt, but I've never engaged in PvP just for the loot and XP. Progression is entirely secondary. It adds some addictive qualities to the game, but I've always played games only because of the fun. And I stop playing games that are no longer fun.

I hate PvP gear grinding..  WoW did that, Rift did that... I like to PvP for a purpose.. That propose can be for 1 of 2 reasons;

1. Earn reputation points, the same you as you earn in PvE, so you're able to buy reputation gear, and I would increase the gear on the vendor list as well..  I really dislike having to grind to earn 2 seperate sets of gear for no reason..
2. Gain factional resources or territory, like Wintergrasp in WoW.. 

Originally posted by Rydeson

I hate PvP gear grinding..  WoW did that, Rift did that... I like to PvP for a purpose.. That propose can be for 1 of 2 reasons;

1. Earn reputation points, the same you as you earn in PvE, so you're able to buy reputation gear, and I would increase the gear on the vendor list as well..  I really dislike having to grind to earn 2 seperate sets of gear for no reason..
2. Gain factional resources or territory, like Wintergrasp in WoW.. 

I stopped PvP'ing when it became nothing more then a seperate esport game of itself..   If I wanted that type of game, i'd go play Call of Duty (which I don't)..

FPS e-sports and RPG e-sports is not the same thing. Remeber, there's different kind of conventional sports too and for example football and soccer are not the same either.

"Why don't you go play CoD instead" is not very intelligent thing to say. Not that you said it, but some people do.

PvP has gameplay elements which are not easymode. So it is getting pushed out of MMO's or getting an easymode makeover. So no penalties, you lose nothing, you can die a million times in one day and you just spring back. Likewise if you have guild wars or faction wars the penalties to losing are being ironed out.

The answer is in your question, "old fashion"; every new MMO has to be easy enough to play that a toddler can play it and streamlined enough so that one hours play yields big rewards. Not rewards in the old sense but rewards in the shiny bauble, new title, new cosmetic outfit sense.

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by Rydeson

I hate PvP gear grinding..  WoW did that, Rift did that... I like to PvP for a purpose.. That propose can be for 1 of 2 reasons;

1. Earn reputation points, the same you as you earn in PvE, so you're able to buy reputation gear, and I would increase the gear on the vendor list as well..  I really dislike having to grind to earn 2 seperate sets of gear for no reason..
2. Gain factional resources or territory, like Wintergrasp in WoW.. 

I stopped PvP'ing when it became nothing more then a seperate esport game of itself..   If I wanted that type of game, i'd go play Call of Duty (which I don't)..

FPS e-sports and RPG e-sports is not the same thing. Remeber, there's different kind of conventional sports too and for example football and soccer are not the same either.

"Why don't you go play CoD instead" is not very intelligent thing to say. Not that you said it, but some people do.

I'm sorry.. but e-sport is e-sport regardless how you view it..  It is the same..  The only difference being twitch control or computer control combat..  The result is still the same..  "I beat you na na na neener"..  followed by the immature tea bag emote on the corpse.. :) lol  I play MMORGP because I come from the genre of the community against the devs.. NOT the current style of community against themselves.. 

This almost reminds me of modern day politics.. Lets get the voters to fight amongst themselves, then neither side will see how lazy the politians are at doing their jobs.. LOL 

Originally posted by Rydeson

Originally posted by Quirhid
 

I'm sorry.. but e-sport is e-sport regardless how you view it..  It is the same..  The only difference being twitch control or computer control combat..  The result is still the same..  "I beat you na na na neener"..  followed by the immature tea bag emote on the corpse.. :) lol  I play MMORGP because I come from the genre of the community against the devs.. NOT the current style of community against themselves.. 

This almost reminds me of modern day politics.. Lets get the voters to fight amongst themselves, then neither side will see how lazy the politians are at doing their jobs.. LOL 

Well, I can only say its not the same, but I don't want to get into the business of changing your mind mod edit]

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

What happend to this? People all want progression or some title. What happend to just being better than the guy on the other side of the computer screen? What happend to good old fashion ass woopins? When did MMO's become so Vain?

Will it ever go back to "Hey, see this name above my avatars head? Yeah he just kicked your ass."

I wish people would just PvP for the sake of PvP'ing like in the old days. PvP to kill people. Thats it. Thats the whole entire point and always has been. Is that not enough for you people anymore or what?

Remember when PKs didn't involve any kind of substantial reward?

Oh, wait, op said "old fashion" pvp, I thought...neber mind.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

When did MMO's become so Vain?

People never "just killed eachother", there was always a bigger system in place. In Meridian 59, in UO, and even in DAoC.

Just killing eachother is fo FPS games, generally.

It died the moment PVE players decided they wanted to play PVP focused games/servers and then bitched about how they did not like it as it potentially made their obtaining shiny "you are awesome" reward screens slower, and devs listened to them because they brought the bulk of the $.

Originally posted by IfrianMMO

It died the moment PVE players decided they wanted to play PVP focused games/servers and then bitched about how they did not like it as it potentially made their obtaining shiny "you are awesome" reward screens slower, and devs listened to them because they brought the bulk of the $.

And also when devs invented cash-shops and realised that they cam make $$$$$$ on PvP players more then on PvE. That lead to any semi decent pvp-game to become pay to win.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

What happend to this? People all want progression or some title. What happend to just being better than the guy on the other side of the computer screen? What happend to good old fashion ass woopins? When did MMO's become so Vain?

Will it ever go back to "Hey, see this name above my avatars head? Yeah he just kicked your ass."

I wish people would just PvP for the sake of PvP'ing like in the old days. PvP to kill people. Thats it. Thats the whole entire point and always has been. Is that not enough for you people anymore or what?

No. Never like to just kill people for fun.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Sorry but the original Darkfall was just 10/10 for SUCK. I highly doubt this new one will be any different.

Care to back up that claim? Its one of the best MMOs to release in thee last 8 years, but thats not saying a lot.