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What happend to this? People all want progression or some title. What happend to just being better than the guy on the other side of the computer screen? What happend to good old fashion ass woopins? When did MMO's become so Vain? Will it ever go back to "Hey, see this name above my avatars head? Yeah he just kicked your ass." I wish people would just PvP for the sake of PvP'ing like in the old days. PvP to kill people. Thats it. Thats the whole entire point and always has been. Is that not enough for you people anymore or what? |
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11/14/12 1:44:12 AM#2
What are these older times you are talking about? even in days of UO players used to kill each other so that they can loot their bodies. It has always been about loot and getting somethong out of the kill.
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Nothing wrong with a little bit of loot. I"m talking about all those people that say "Oh whats the point of the PvP in XYZ game. Theres just no point!! All we do is fight each other for nothing!!" Well YEAH thats what PvP is. You fight each other to fight each other. PvP = Player vs Player |
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11/14/12 2:32:48 AM#4
I do PvP for the sake of it all the time. A little loot and XP doesn't hurt, but I've never engaged in PvP just for the loot and XP. Progression is entirely secondary. It adds some addictive qualities to the game, but I've always played games only because of the fun. And I stop playing games that are no longer fun. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/14/12 3:25:12 AM#5
I hate PvP gear grinding.. WoW did that, Rift did that... I like to PvP for a purpose.. That propose can be for 1 of 2 reasons;
I stopped PvP'ing when it became nothing more then a seperate esport game of itself.. If I wanted that type of game, i'd go play Call of Duty (which I don't).. |
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11/14/12 3:38:20 AM#6
Originally posted by Rydeson FPS e-sports and RPG e-sports is not the same thing. Remeber, there's different kind of conventional sports too and for example football and soccer are not the same either. "Why don't you go play CoD instead" is not very intelligent thing to say. Not that you said it, but some people do. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/14/12 4:01:11 AM#7
PvP has gameplay elements which are not easymode. So it is getting pushed out of MMO's or getting an easymode makeover. So no penalties, you lose nothing, you can die a million times in one day and you just spring back. Likewise if you have guild wars or faction wars the penalties to losing are being ironed out. The answer is in your question, "old fashion"; every new MMO has to be easy enough to play that a toddler can play it and streamlined enough so that one hours play yields big rewards. Not rewards in the old sense but rewards in the shiny bauble, new title, new cosmetic outfit sense. |
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11/14/12 4:09:16 AM#8
Originally posted by Quirhid I'm sorry.. but e-sport is e-sport regardless how you view it.. It is the same.. The only difference being twitch control or computer control combat.. The result is still the same.. "I beat you na na na neener".. followed by the immature tea bag emote on the corpse.. :) lol I play MMORGP because I come from the genre of the community against the devs.. NOT the current style of community against themselves.. This almost reminds me of modern day politics.. Lets get the voters to fight amongst themselves, then neither side will see how lazy the politians are at doing their jobs.. LOL |
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11/14/12 4:16:21 AM#9
Originally posted by Rydeson Well, I can only say its not the same, but I don't want to get into the business of changing your mind mod edit] Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -Author unknown, attributed to Mark Twain |
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11/14/12 8:18:23 AM#10
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC Tears happened. Then Trammel |
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11/14/12 8:29:21 AM#11
You should play Darkfall:UW on November 20th. Its designed around full loot PvP. You kill people there in order to not lose your stuff. Or to gain a new clan city. Or because you hate that clan and just want to kill him. Or because you want this trader to die because he ripped you off, so you set up an ambush.
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11/14/12 8:32:09 AM#12
Remember when PKs didn't involve any kind of substantial reward? Oh, wait, op said "old fashion" pvp, I thought...neber mind. Originally posted by PaRoXiTiCThe usual answer involves teenage males and posturing behaviors. But it's a little simplistic. |
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Salenger
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11/14/12 8:33:36 AM#13
I suggest you play Darkfall Unholy Wars on the 20th.
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11/14/12 9:56:41 AM#14
People never "just killed eachother", there was always a bigger system in place. In Meridian 59, in UO, and even in DAoC. Just killing eachother is fo FPS games, generally. |
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11/14/12 10:15:09 AM#15
There's two systems that work - the daoc approach, successfully used by planetside and to a lesser degree gw2
The uo / eve approach successfully done by perpetuum, ac pvp server and I guess darkfall though I never played it. All other mmo pvp just has varying degrees of suck. From sucks a bit (war, aion) to sucks a lot (WOW) to you should be paying me to play this shit (swtor) Not played either lineage or shadowbane, so can't say with them. |
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11/14/12 10:19:59 AM#16
It died the moment PVE players decided they wanted to play PVP focused games/servers and then bitched about how they did not like it as it potentially made their obtaining shiny "you are awesome" reward screens slower, and devs listened to them because they brought the bulk of the $.  |
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11/14/12 11:25:59 AM#17
Originally posted by IfrianMMO And also when devs invented cash-shops and realised that they cam make $$$$$$ on PvP players more then on PvE. That lead to any semi decent pvp-game to become pay to win.  |
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11/14/12 11:28:44 AM#18
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC No. Never like to just kill people for fun. |
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Sorry but the original Darkfall was just 10/10 for SUCK. I highly doubt this new one will be any different.
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11/14/12 11:37:25 AM#20
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC Care to back up that claim? Its one of the best MMOs to release in thee last 8 years, but thats not saying a lot. |
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