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General Discussion  » Rogue Squadron: state of the game.

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  Deewe

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Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

 
OP  11/11/12 7:10:20 PM#1

Unless you've been living under a rock for the last week, you can't have missed the executive producer state of the game letter from Jeff Hickman.

Interestingly enough this speech totally fits the empire propaganda from SW universe. 
As such, for some of us fighting from the shadows, we thought it was time to break the mind trick that was cast upon the masses.

In hopes for a better future.
You humble servant,
D.



  1. Our game is awesome. People love it and want to play it.
  2. The subscription requirement was driving away huge numbers of people who do not want to commit to paying monthly.
  3. The frequency of our Game Updates was way too slow. People were leaving because we were not releasing new content fast enough to keep up with the pace at which it was being consumed.

#1: The game is so awesome that most people left to better horizons.
#2: The game was so fun that people refused to pay the exact same price they have to pay for others MMO
#3: Nuff said 

  • Topic #1: Staff: Why are some developers leaving The Old Republic™? How will the game be affected?
  • Topic #2: Bugs: How does testing work? Why do bugs get through? Why did Game Update 1.4 have so many of them? What are we doing to improve the process?
  • Topic #3: Oceanic populations. Are we doing anything about them?

#1 & 2: Whatever you are saying the last game updates brought more issues than before, meaning people implementing features and testing them are either less skilled or less numerous, or both or focusing on the wrong things.
#3: Waiting before eventually shutting down the servers.


That being said here's a more truthful state of the game:

Engine:
  • Still many issues with the engine
  • Can't have UI chat bubbles due to heavy FPS drop
  • Can't get things like draw distance improved
  • Still feels laggy at 60+ FPS
  • No proper preemptive loading management, ie: long loading times
  • Very bad network synchronization: characters positions and response time not synced.

Combat / UI
  • Enemies AI still very poor
  • Targeting mechanic not set properly
  • No target of target transfer
  • No mouse over healing

PvP
  • Even less balanced than the last before iteration
  • Apogee of the Stun Wars syndrome
  • Total lack of World PvP
  • Might be mostly shut down in F2P

PvE
  • Lacks incentive for end game content
  • Side quests gets old fast
  • Specific pets mandatory due to their locked roles
  • Space still lacking any appeal

Content, world, fluff...
  • Very thin updates especially regarding how few is added in the F2P model
  • World feels as dead as before
  • Yet no gear dyes

Bugs
  • Major graphical bugs since the last patches
  • Memory leak
  • Lag spikes
  • LS blades and companions weapons still being left drawn while in passive mode
  • ...

F2P
  • Pricing model makes you pay for the tools needed to enjoy the game
  • Request people to pay for features that are better and free in others F2P MMO
  • Does not bring more content that much.
  • Locks new items in a paying lottery scam (ask for the odds)
  • Is moving away from V.O. story
  • Will lower PvP WZ, operations and flashpoints participation.


All in all it's understandable the game is being bashed by too many people who'd love to like the game. More worrying though is even the notorious websites are starting to pound @SWTOR.
  Ahnog

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Joined: 7/18/05
Posts: 230

11/11/12 10:52:20 PM#2
Nothing new or original here. All MMOs have their strenths and weaknesses, and their bugs. SWTOR is making good progess, and is indeed a great game.

Ahnog

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  User Deleted
11/12/12 7:27:12 AM#3
Originally posted by Ahnog
Nothing new or original here. All MMOs have their strenths and weaknesses, and their bugs. SWTOR is making good progess, and is indeed a great game.

Except SWTOR is moving backwards:

they abandon their strenghts and enhance their weaknesess.

  Deewe

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

 
OP  11/12/12 9:17:06 AM#4
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Ahnog
Nothing new or original here. All MMOs have their strenths and weaknesses, and their bugs. SWTOR is making good progess, and is indeed a great game.

Except SWTOR is moving backwards:

they abandon their strenghts and enhance their weaknesess.

Well to be honest STOR strenght apart the IP was moslty the V.O. class story.

 

With the new model they are going away from V.O. content as too expensive and well too slow to develop.

This leaves us with the rest.

  Zinzan

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/03/06
Posts: 1368

11/12/12 9:57:58 AM#5
What exactly does any of this have to do with Rogue Squadron?

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  Deewe

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

 
OP  11/12/12 7:11:00 PM#6
Originally posted by Zinzan
What exactly does any of this have to do with Rogue Squadron?

Empirre propaganda being fought by the rebellion ;)

  User Deleted
11/13/12 3:21:27 AM#7
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by mikahr
Originally posted by Ahnog
Nothing new or original here. All MMOs have their strenths and weaknesses, and their bugs. SWTOR is making good progess, and is indeed a great game.

Except SWTOR is moving backwards:

they abandon their strenghts and enhance their weaknesess.

Well to be honest STOR strenght apart the IP was moslty the V.O. class story.

 

With the new model they are going away from V.O. content as too expensive and well too slow to develop.

This leaves us with the rest.

Pretty much. Without that SWTOR is just another generic (and subpar i might say) MMO out there.

Its their own fault they just copied WoW and thought they can get away with it based on IP/BW name. those sell boxes (although they ceranly didnt sell nearly close to number they expected) but those dont keep people subbed.

Not long ago Daniel Erickson said new class stories are coming  before the end of the year. Now they pretty much say theres not gonna be any of that in the near future and we will get even more generic (subpar) stuff.

  LoverNoFighter

Novice Member

Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 334

SWG pre cu > all

11/13/12 6:53:33 AM#8

How is it possible to fail (again) with the SW IP when it comes to a MMO???

Astonishing to say the least.

  Deewe

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

 
OP  11/13/12 8:46:18 PM#9
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

How is it possible to fail (again) with the SW IP when it comes to a MMO???

Astonishing to say the least.

People had hope it would be better than SWG.

Soon enough they realized it wasn't even as good (edited: deep) as the former game (I mean bugs not included) 

Dome kept thinking the game might improve in the future.

Now with the F2P, they are starting to understand that each iteration of the game, from the current crew, is worse than the one before.

 

Really, even if  used to the weaknesses from the cast, I never imagined they could butcher a F2P model that much.

How possibly they can be so clueless, that's beyond logic.

  Emeraq

Novice Member

Joined: 10/07/06
Posts: 925

11/13/12 8:55:34 PM#10
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

How is it possible to fail (again) with the SW IP when it comes to a MMO???

Astonishing to say the least.

People had hope it would be better than SWG.

Soon enough they realized it wasn't even as good as the former game (I mean bugs not included) 

They some kept thinking the game might improve in the future.

Now with the F2P they are starting to understand that each iteration of the game from the current crew is worse than the one before.

 

Really, even if  used to the weaknesses from the cast I never imagined they could butcher a F2P model that much.

How possibly they can be so clueless, that's beyond logic.

How  good or bad a game is, personal opinion.  I've said it before, I'm a quest/storyline person, so for me SWTOR IS better than SWG was.

  Torgrim

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Joined: 12/15/05
Posts: 2119

11/14/12 7:40:06 AM#11
Originally posted by Emeraq
Originally posted by Deewe
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter

How is it possible to fail (again) with the SW IP when it comes to a MMO???

Astonishing to say the least.

People had hope it would be better than SWG.

Soon enough they realized it wasn't even as good as the former game (I mean bugs not included) 

They some kept thinking the game might improve in the future.

Now with the F2P they are starting to understand that each iteration of the game from the current crew is worse than the one before.

 

Really, even if  used to the weaknesses from the cast I never imagined they could butcher a F2P model that much.

How possibly they can be so clueless, that's beyond logic.

How  good or bad a game is, personal opinion.  I've said it before, I'm a quest/storyline person, so for me SWTOR IS better than SWG was.

 

Yes It all comes down to opinion, around 70% that bought the box shared the same opinion that TOR is a big fail.

 

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  bakabröd

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Joined: 4/09/05
Posts: 135

11/14/12 7:42:52 AM#12
i think its a great game. atleast for me.
  Elevenb4

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Joined: 11/08/12
Posts: 207

11/14/12 8:21:54 AM#13
Originally posted by bakabröd
i think its a great game. atleast for me.

Yeah same here. Been having a blast since launch.

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  Torgrim

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Posts: 2119

11/14/12 9:18:16 AM#14
Originally posted by Elevenb4
Originally posted by bakabröd
i think its a great game. atleast for me.

Yeah same here. Been having a blast since launch.

 

Well that's what really counts in the end.

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  Greyhooff

Novice Member

Joined: 10/08/08
Posts: 684

11/14/12 3:53:10 PM#15

That SWTOR has utterly failed is just a fact of life.

Fairly obvious with the sudden F2P and the firing of pretty much the entire staff.

Remember Warhammer and those videos with the "remaining team working on the game" - 5 jokers who had no clue what they were doing? The lack of new content, the horrible decisions, the cringe-worthy delusional podcasts - that's SWTOR's future, right there.

And yes, it's mostly EA to blame - let's try to remember that Bioware only really did the storyboarding, the rest was an all-new EA team with bioware tags.

  Deewe

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Joined: 5/02/08
Posts: 1976

 
OP  11/14/12 9:08:45 PM#16
Originally posted by Elevenb4
Originally posted by bakabröd
i think its a great game. atleast for me.

Yeah same here. Been having a blast since launch.

Well that's true.

 

For some of us we just look at how much better it could have been and it makes us sad.

Especially when we compare with others available MMO.

  MikeB

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Posts: 5400

11/14/12 9:21:26 PM#17
Please don't create duplicate threads. We have a discussion thread for this state of the game here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/368816/SWTOR-Official-State-of-the-Game-6-NOV-2012.html

Michael "MikeB" Bitton
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