Originally posted by bigcheeseuk
I like GW2 but I also think Arenanet should listen to its critics aswell as its fans.

Wouldnt that be why they are implementing gear progression?

Originally posted by Betaguy
Because in reality they know the true numbers and can't drop much lower... they have to save every fan they have left.

Oh do they?

There may be an arguement that at the quantum level, particles can be made to act in accordance with the desires of a sentient being based on the scant evidence currently hinting at it.... but there isn't a chance THIS comment is based on any demonstrable fact.

Now that's a reality....

Originally posted by evilastro

They have left a lot of threadsopen for discussion, what they dont want is people who think their opinion is so much better than everyone elses opening multiple threads on the same topic and diluting the forums. Thats why they got deleted and why he was moderated, not the topic itself.  

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Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by bigcheeseuk
I like GW2 but I also think Arenanet should listen to its critics aswell as its fans.

Wouldnt that be why they are implementing gear progression?

Hah! excellent....!!!

Originally posted by bigcheeseuk
I like GW2 but I also think Arenanet should listen to its critics aswell as its fans.

You know, there is criticism and there is just plain raging.

I don't know how was OP thread worded, but looking at how this one is worded, no wonder they banned him. I've read many fairly offensive articles over at ANet forums and most of replies were "thank you for your feedback". Sometimes locking thread so that it doesn't derail into madness. But when someone starts creating threads over and over, threads that just inspire spite and hatred, what can you do?

Tbh I am also a bit disappointed, beacuse reading manifesto made my dream much brighter than what is gw2 today. That being said, good things don't happen overnight. GW2 needs to grow up and maybe, jsut maybe in some 10 years time we will get what was promissed.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by KhinRunite
muffins you are being over dramatic about this. We don't have all the details yet. Adding item progression isn't breaking any of their promise as far as I can recall.

Well yeah it is. I understand why they are doing it, there was a lot of criticism about hitting a dead wall at 80 aside from farming for a legendary. This looks to be adding an incentive to keep running dungeons once you are fully exotic'ed out. Whereas at the moment you only need to run it 15 times and you are done for character progression.

I'm not annoyed, I have no doubt that the boost will be minor, but it will keep elitists happy.

As far as I am concerned, ANet is just being a responsive company and switching to meet the markets demands. Some people like not having to grind, but I think what is proposed is a happy medium in that you can get well equipped pretty easily, but you still have progression.

Of course there are those that once they deck out their character with several different max sets for different builds move into ANOTHER CHARACTER

Those will also be the ones going for crazy titles like GOD WALKING AMONGST MERE MORTALS (multiples of it even) or CHAMPION OF THE GODS.

The ELITISTS won't be happy because everyone can get THESE NEW ITEMS ON THEIR OWN TIME.What the ELITISTS like is to control others, deciding who get the raid slot or the raid legendary drop first/next.

Those ELITISTS complaining about no progression are the same that say there is no point to farm exotics because it si a small boost over rares and that said legendaries are useless because they give no boost.

The ELITISTS don't care about progression per se, they care about restriciting others progression.

This is the worst decision by Anet - not only the so called elitists won't come back they piss off those that could care less about a bigger number. Those already didn't much care for all the blue->green->yellow->orange business but ignored it because getting exotics isn't that hard/time consuming, now Anet increases the time requirement to get max stats (lets be honest max stats is the only thing that matter, anything else is gimping yourself).

Originally posted by gordiflu
My question is... once players are done with this new gear progression, what? Another tier?

This is answered in the release by ArenaNet :

"This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content."

Note that they are only adding rings and back slots at the moment, so farming those armor sets isnt wasted.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by KhinRunite
muffins you are being over dramatic about this. We don't have all the details yet. Adding item progression isn't breaking any of their promise as far as I can recall.

Well yeah it is.

Hmmm...I really don't recall them saying that this game will not have item progression. What they did say was this game will not have forced grinding. They also said they always listen to the fans.

This is just my recollection of things.

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Those will also be the ones going for crazy titles like CHAMPION OF THE GODS.

 

Thats a GW1 title. You cant get it from playing GW2.

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by KhinRunite
muffins you are being over dramatic about this. We don't have all the details yet. Adding item progression isn't breaking any of their promise as far as I can recall.

Well yeah it is.

Hmmm...I really don't recall them saying that this game will not have item progression. What they did say was this game will not have forced grinding. They also said they always listen to the fans.

This is just my recollection of things.

Well my recollection is different than yours. However, it will take you only a minute to find the quotes before release about their vision about end game design ( a lot of those are going around lately on official forums). Would be better to hear it just out of horse mouth. Everything they doing now contradicts their old plan

From my own recollection, exotics were suppossed to be the cap as far as stats go and plan was to introduce only cosmetics. That is  the reason why legendary had same stats as exotics and only looked different. They could have easily made legendaries with better stats but that would have gone against their original vision.

So introducing new armor with increase in stats is new plan and new direction as far as gear progression goes. They could have easily made ascended armor similar to exotics and added the new agony slots to it. But they didn't and they will keep increasing over all stats by introducing more gear peices in next three months.

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by KhinRunite
muffins you are being over dramatic about this. We don't have all the details yet. Adding item progression isn't breaking any of their promise as far as I can recall.

Well yeah it is.

Hmmm...I really don't recall them saying that this game will not have item progression. What they did say was this game will not have forced grinding. They also said they always listen to the fans.

This is just my recollection of things.

"Here's what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can't realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don't make grindy games -- we leave the grind to other MMOs."
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

It was quoted multiple times and also mentioned in the manifesto. I really have no idea how you missed it or if you are being deliberately coy.

They are backtracking on this design principle. There really is no other way to look at it. I personally dont think it is a horrible decision by them, as it adds something for long time PvE players to work for. But you cant pretend that it isnt the complete opposite design of what they promised in the manifesto.

Originally posted by muffins89

becuase for 5+ years we were told this game was different. and in less than 3 months it turned out to be the same.

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my opnions just got deleted.  nice.

you really cant blame the developers . people who ride early the hype bandwagon should be prepared for it . 

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Originally posted by evilastro

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Originally posted by skydiver12  

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Originally posted by KhinRunite muffins you are being over dramatic about this. We don't have all the details yet. Adding item progression isn't breaking any of their promise as far as I can recall.

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  That's your opinion, his is different, a threat is there to discuss and express it. ANet does not want neither. Ivory tower syndrom :)

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They have left a lot of threadsopen for discussion, what they dont want is people who think their opinion is so much better than everyone elses opening multiple threads on the same topic and diluting the forums. Thats why they got deleted and why he was moderated, not the topic itself.  

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Of course there is the occasional troll thread and "my opinion is more important" threat, but putting everything into one long thread is a form of trying to silence the topic.

They hope most people won't put up with the additional effort due to the hindrance in usability in order to suffocate the topic, which is of course is a proven concept.

In short, they don't want this topic to be discussed and try the more subtile approach of hindrance rather than completly shut down everything (which wouldn't work), claiming to tolerate discussion.

I'm sorry if such concepts are not known to you.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by gordiflu
My question is... once players are done with this new gear progression, what? Another tier?

This is answered in the release by ArenaNet :

"This is just the beginning. In November, we’re only adding the first level of Infusions and Ascended Rings and Back slots, so that leaves us a lot of room to build upon these levels of Item progression in future content.

As we release more new end game content in the future, you’ll see more Infusions and Ascended item types being added to the game. Eventually, you’ll be able to kit yourself out with a full set of Ascended gear and high end Infusions to help give you the edge in end game content."

Note that they are only adding rings and back slots at the moment, so farming those armor sets isnt wasted.

But then that thing about "the whole game beeing endgame" is no longer true, right?

Originally posted by thexrated
And I thought that with this game you were just supposed to have "fun". :)

It is "fun" to see how other people grind to get "better" gear but you still faceroll them in PvP. 

Originally posted by muffins89

becuase for 5+ years we were told this game was different. and in less than 3 months it turned out to be the same.

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my opnions just got deleted.  nice.

You do realise they yust removed your opinions because apparently the post you quoted and commented on wasnt allowed there. If they allowed your comments to stay, everyone would be able to see what they said anyway (which cant be a good things since apparently it was something that was considered a threat since they deleted both the main as well as all quotations/comments on it.

Kinda a redundant statement but.. 

you get what you pay for lol!

Deep down GW2 has no incentive to keep player base one way or another. They are looking to attract new players. Once they get that box sale who cares about you. 

Just my theory on why they are adding this type of content. 

lol. On guildwars2 forums I was once infracted and thread deleted for asking in a polite way if there are any other quest types than kill stuff and collect/deliver stuff .

they are waayy over the top, much more than the SWTOR forum EVER was. Right now the TOR forums don´t even seem to be moderated, some people obviously make fun of the game for a living.

and yes I believe this is all about box sales, not player retention. Once you paid, who cares anymore if you stay