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  lizardbones

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OP  11/13/12 2:43:15 PM#1

Ok, let your paranoia run wild about Microsoft's plan to control the gaming market.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3634852/microsoft-directx-11-1-windows-8

What does this mean in the long term? Any games that rely on DirectX 11.1 will only run under Windows 8. I'm not sure how long that will take...I'm still running Windows XP so I expect it'll take awhile.

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  QSatu

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11/13/12 2:45:40 PM#2
A wonderful way to stop developers from using DX11.1 just like now most devs still treat DX 9 as the main thing.
  deakon

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11/13/12 2:51:28 PM#3
Someone will find a work around, the same thing happened with dx10
  hfztt

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11/13/12 2:56:03 PM#4

As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

  Shaike

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11/13/12 3:00:21 PM#5
Originally posted by hfztt

As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

LOL and again LOL@!@!@

 

i thought of installing it on a VM to try in out - thanks for saving me the trouble...

 

and as for the OP - exactly like DX10 - no one noticed it and ppl will just use the one before and the one after.....

Just my 2 cents...

  lizardbones

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OP  11/13/12 3:04:09 PM#6


Originally posted by Shaike

Originally posted by hfztt As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch. Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad. Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.
LOL and again LOL@!@!@

 

i thought of installing it on a VM to try in out - thanks for saving me the trouble...

 

and as for the OP - exactly like DX10 - no one noticed it and ppl will just use the one before and the one after.....




I've heard the opposite, on these very forums. That Windows 8 actually works. Even if it worked, you'd still need the gunpoint though, because Windows 7 works, and so does Windows XP. There's very little incentive to switch.

For Microsoft though, there's incentive to limit backwards compatibility. Mostly because of sales, but also because that backwards compatibility is expensive and causes issues that would otherwise be avoided.

Well, I'm hoping this will give a boost to OpenGL, if not Linux. I think competition is good, and another viable gaming platform would probably be a good thing for consumers.

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  ShakyMo

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11/13/12 3:07:29 PM#7
Microsoft in being a set of gits shocker!

Hopefully more game devs will tell them where to stick win 8 now.

Just wait on win 9 , once they've suckered people with win 8 it will be "metro" only, and all your games will come through Microsoft with a crappy xbl setup (cost 30% more, bugger all patches, no mods, small devs pushed out)
  ShakyMo

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11/13/12 3:10:42 PM#8
Win 8 is basicly win 7 and win 9 stuck together with hammers and duct tape.

They can sell it to casual home users with the "ooo look its like iPad" interface. They are trying to force home power users / gamers onto it with these tricks. I wonder what wheeze they will come up with to force business users onto it.
  ShakyMo

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11/13/12 3:11:54 PM#9
Lizard dam right there's incentive not to be backwards compatible.

Xbox style cut from every pc game.
  Kilrain

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11/13/12 3:17:19 PM#10
Originally posted by hfztt

As someone who has Windows 8 installed, I will say they will need gunpoint arguments to get people to switch.

Its bad. Not even Vista bad. More like Win ME bad. Yeah really. THAT bad.

Its not that I dont like what they are trying to do, I knda do. Its just that the products is so unfinished and bug ridden, that it is not even funny.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I've ran win8 release preview excusively for months and it worked flawlessly, just as good as windows 7 and sometimes better. It definitely starts much faster than win7 sometimes feels instant. The ONLY thing throwing people off is the metro UI, which you don't need to use.

Is there an incentive to switch from win7 to win8? Not unless you want a laptop/tablet combo or just a tablet. But if you were to switch, metro UI is the only thing you would notice being different, and like I said before, you don't have to use it.

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  Jorl

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11/13/12 3:17:57 PM#11
Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
  AG-Vuk

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11/13/12 3:23:40 PM#12
If I recall Win 8 is the basis for the next gaming console X-box. It's suppose to unify the cell phone, tablet, PC and console sytems under one system. Theory is one thing , practice is another. We'll see how this works out.  

  OG_Zorvan

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11/13/12 3:38:58 PM#13
Originally posted by Jorl
Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.

 The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.

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  Arglebargle

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11/13/12 3:43:29 PM#14
Unless they lock the new Xbox to DX11.1 (which I think they can't do, due to hardware), this will be a stunted move.   And one with way less reason for it than the move to  DX10

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  SuprGamerX

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11/13/12 3:44:07 PM#15
 LOL , like someone said earlier , a fix around will be available , also most games still run on Dx 9.0. So Microsoft can take their 11.1 and shove it , it will not increase the sales of Windows 8 since Win8 is a piece of trash.
  lizardbones

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OP  11/13/12 4:02:11 PM#16


Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Jorl Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
 The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.




Valve was not happy because Microsoft's plan is to move to a closed ecosystem, similar to what Apple has with the iPad. That's where WindowsRT comes in (Windows 8 on a tablet). Beyond that, Windows 8 doesn't work too much different that Win7 in that you can install and run anything that will install.

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  OG_Zorvan

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11/13/12 4:14:21 PM#17
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Jorl Well I know STEAM isn't happy with Windows 8 and they will try and do something by having games aviliable with other operating systems, but we'll see. I am staying with Windows 7 but if I want to upgrade my operating system I will go with windows 8, I will go with something else.
 The only reason Valve could have for not liking Windows 8 is Gabe Newell having a temporary stick lodged up his arse, as he has been known to be prone to.

 

Valve has no issue with Windows 8. Valve is looking at linux most likely as an OS base for their own hardware they're developing, while also offering an option for those who run linux systems and would like to play games natively. In other words, they're just exanding their customer base like any smart company will.

No different than when they decided to make STEAM for Mac. Or wait, did you think they made STEAM work for Mac because they hated Windows XP and 7 too? lol

There is absolutely nothing about Windows 8 on PC that is a detriment to Valve/STEAM. Everything installs and runs just like on every OS before it. You don't need any special apps or permissions or to use a MS store or anything else.




Valve was not happy because Microsoft's plan is to move to a closed ecosystem, similar to what Apple has with the iPad. That's where WindowsRT comes in (Windows 8 on a tablet). Beyond that, Windows 8 doesn't work too much different that Win7 in that you can install and run anything that will install.

 

Sure, Windows RT.

The main issue is Microsoft forgot most PC users are tech illiterate and failed to differentiate Windows 8 RT from Windows 8 itself.

So people just see "Windows 8 is a closed system" instead of "Windows 8 RT, the OS that operates your phones and tablets you dumbass, is a closed system."

Not only that, they failed to describe the differences well enough in the beginning that even game developers were mistaken ( like Valve ) about how the PC version worked.

Everyone focused on the damn "Metro" interface and how it made a PC "look and feel" like a tablet/phone and then just naturally assumed it WAS like a tablet/phone.

Microsoft didn't bungle the OS, they bungled the marketing. Big time.

The average PC users stupidity/ignorance finished the job.

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  FrodoFragins

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11/13/12 4:24:00 PM#18
My hope is that all of this will simply lead to a much improved OpenGL that can compete with and theoretically overtake DirectX.
  Arcondo87

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11/13/12 4:26:44 PM#19
STILL NOT going to get it...ill upgrade when Windows 9 comes out thank you!
  Southpaw.Gamer

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11/13/12 4:28:10 PM#20

I got a copy of Windows 8 free through my school and I have zero complaints about the OS on a meaningful level.  It's more having to adapt to the new layout.  I don't get the Windows 8 hate... not like this is Vista 2.0

 

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