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General Discussion  » SV to beg for more money part 2

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  Toferio

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11/10/12 3:44:25 AM#81
Originally posted by CroniteLore

You should take a fresh look without bias. If you canz

I completely agree, the more people see for themselves what pile of crap the game is, the better. 

  CroniteLore

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11/10/12 6:13:32 AM#82
Originally posted by FastSloth

Anyone else finding it lulzworthy that they can't even get a fucking donation button to work?

Funny how donations are now off the page...

 

EDIT: no doubt it's a scam, eh?

 

 

"In MO, even the haters are hardcore!" - ltank

  Rilman

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11/10/12 7:11:18 AM#83
..fools and their money.
  Hancakes

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11/10/12 11:40:38 AM#84
Originally posted by CroniteLore

 

EDIT: no doubt it's a scam, eh?

 

 

I gaurantee it will do NOTHING to aid development.  (its not like Starvault has always been broke)

  FastSloth

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Joined: 6/11/12
Posts: 144

11/10/12 7:57:47 PM#85

Gawd, that thread.. SV is taking a bunch of kids emotionally hostage.

 

"You get 1 vet point for every paid month.
You cannot stack donations to get the higher tiers, you have to donate them to get them."

 

Hikner wants MOAR. MOAR. MOAR. MOAR. FEGELEIN, FEGELEIN, FEGELEIN!!

  Biskop

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11/11/12 2:42:14 AM#86

If nothing else, this will at least increase the zealotry among the remainging sect members... oh sorry, I mean fans.

When you hand out prizes for idiocy, the "special" people go nuts while trying to outbid each other.

Really, who in his right mind would donate 2500 dollars to these devs? It almost sound criminal to me...

  deathshroud

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11/11/12 3:00:49 AM#87
someone who is extremely wealthy, if i had 50million in the bank i wouldnt miss 2000.  Might even give you 2000 biskop jsut out of kindness :)

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  argirop

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11/11/12 3:43:32 AM#88
Originally posted by deathshroud
someone who is extremely wealthy, if i had 50million in the bank i wouldnt miss 2000.  Might even give you 2000 biskop jsut out of kindness :)

Honnestly if i was extremely wealthy, if i had 50 million euro's in my bank account, i wouldnt mind at all to donate 2000 or even more to someone who was in need or to someone who simply couldnt afford to follow his ambitions, vision or just a project. From the other hand i wouldnt give a single cent to a lazy, unskilled and untrained liar, whos constantly trying to make a living by telling lies, deceiving, lacks creativity, imagination, common sense and being unrespectfull towards people and specialy the ones that supporting him. If you where willing to do something like that for SV just cause you could afford it then you are more than welcome to do it but allow me to think thats not kidness. Its (chose your word and place it here)...

  FastSloth

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11/11/12 4:53:08 AM#89
Originally posted by argirop
Originally posted by deathshroud
someone who is extremely wealthy, if i had 50million in the bank i wouldnt miss 2000.  Might even give you 2000 biskop jsut out of kindness :)

Honnestly if i was extremely wealthy, if i had 50 million euro's in my bank account, i wouldnt mind at all to donate 2000 or even more to someone who was in need or to someone who simply couldnt afford to follow his ambitions, vision or just a project. From the other hand i wouldnt give a single cent to a lazy, unskilled and untrained liar, whos constantly trying to make a living by telling lies, deceiving, lacks creativity, imagination, common sense and being unrespectfull towards people and specialy the ones that supporting him. If you where willing to do something like that for SV just cause you could afford it then you are more than welcome to do it but allow me to think thats not kidness. Its (chose your word and place it here)...

+1

 

Me too. If I was extremely wealthy, I'd probably sue them to get my subscription fee back because it was a scam, but that's it.

  Biskop

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Posts: 731

11/11/12 5:07:35 AM#90
@ deathshroud

You're such a sweetheart! : )
  Neoptolemus

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Joined: 2/12/10
Posts: 250

11/11/12 1:03:25 PM#91
Originally posted by CroniteLore

Well there is no such thing as bad publicity - so hope this thread is driving ppl to take a look at MO.

 

Regardless of what ppl say if you post here it si driving news about MO!! Funny, yeah?

 

You should take a fresh look without bias. If you canz

 

Tell that to Gerald Ratner. One remark made at a private function wiped $500m off his company's shares and almost bunkrupted it. Makes you wonder if MO would be faring better if Henrik and co didn't keep putting their feet in their mouths. Probably not much better, but still...

  User Deleted
11/13/12 1:12:43 PM#92

Someone donated $1000?

 

I'm shitting myself with laughter. It's not the amount that's funny - if you can afford it, kudos to you. It's just that there is someone out there who is either in complete ignorance when it comes to the worth of money or Mortal Online.

 

Hmmmmm, maybe it's more tragic?

  w4ffl3

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Joined: 4/15/11
Posts: 36

11/13/12 1:43:08 PM#93

Let's put everything in perspective.  The top donor gave $1000, the next top gave $250, and then a few people gave $100, and most everyone else gave $50 or less.

That means SV has raised at most $2000, and probably will raise $2000-3000 total from this donation drive (that's probably being pretty generous, since everyone has seen the donation button by now).

How much development does that actually fund?

Well, their latest report says they lost 700000SEK in the first half of 2012, or 116000SEK every month.  That's $17000 USD lost every month.

So, people can do what they want with the money, but if they think it'll actually help development at all, they're being completely delusional.  This company is just losing too much money to get even close to breakeven, even with donations.

The $2000-3000 raised from this donation drive will be enough to keep SV afloat for an extra 4-5 days.  That's not a typo--it's enough money for less than a week.

  x_Paradox_x

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Joined: 9/25/11
Posts: 10

11/13/12 2:47:06 PM#94

How many are going to give every month. I bet the amount they ultimately raise will not be enough to fund coffee and donuts for a small office. Let alone hire another programmer.

  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 4195

11/13/12 4:04:56 PM#95

Where do you see the donation amounts?

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  User Deleted
11/13/12 5:33:31 PM#96
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Where do you see the donation amounts?

 

 Reverse engineer the top donor list i.e. Find their forum account and see what title they have.

 

Maybe they gave some random accounts a title to make it look like they got some donations. I doubt they'd stoop that low, but I do enjoy letting my cynicism run fantasy now and then. *sneering chuckle*

  x_Paradox_x

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11/14/12 9:44:52 AM#97
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Where do you see the donation amounts?

 

I have dropped a few hundred here and there on kick starter, but I don’t keep adding money to any one project. Those that can give large will and that’s it, then you are left with some pocket change every month.

I would be shocked if the project makes more than $8 -12K the first year (most in the first 3 months), and if pop stays the same, maybe $5-8K following years. They got one $1000 so far, and a few smaller ones.  Maybe looking at $2k so far for month one, and first few months should be way above baseline.

So based on very limited data, high end guess about $600/ month average in the long run.  Maybe SV can set up a Google adwords budget or pay for some overtime. But that’s a drop in the bucket for a development team. I wouldn’t call it game changing, pun intended.

  Shyatic

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Posts: 43

11/14/12 3:00:15 PM#98

I have to say I'm honestly amazed that it's come to donations. It's low class, and a sign of utter and complete desperation.

 

I guess we can all start taking bets when they shut down, though I suppose daddy can always step in..

  x_Paradox_x

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11/14/12 4:58:16 PM#99
Originally posted by Shyatic

I have to say I'm honestly amazed that it's come to donations. It's low class, and a sign of utter and complete desperation.

 

I guess we can all start taking bets when they shut down, though I suppose daddy can always step in..

 

I agree it's a sign of desperation. They are going down like the titanic and someone grabbed a bucket.
Their cash on hand is getting very low according to their financials. They burned up about $1 million these last 24 months.

6-2010 to 6-2012
Profit : – 6,900,000 SEK (about  $-1,000,000 USD loss)
 Or: $-42,000 USD / month

 
1-2012 to 6-2012
Sales $24,000 / month   (maybe average of 2000 subscriptions)
Admin:  $-12,000 / month
Development: $-43,000 / month
Profit:  $-32,000 / month


Liquid assets:
6-2011  $97k,  12-2011  $53k (-$44k),  6-2012  $30k (-$23k)
 

  SaintPhilip

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Posts: 729

 
OP  11/14/12 5:01:56 PM#100
O[mod edit]

-Not only is this thread relative and very important , but honestly this should be something picked up by non gaming (and gaming alike) news agencies. There is a very buisness centric issue here...

What other publicly traded Corporation has ever (in HISTORY) asked for "Donations"? And since it IS a publicly traded corporation- A FOR PROFIT corporation- With Stockholders and all that Jazz, And DEBT , which is running in the Red- What really is going to happen with this money?

They can "say" anything, as SV has shown again and again that it has zero problem lying and its credibility is nil- But the folks in line with their hands out (the crediters) have every right to paid from any funds SV gets by begging, borrowing or stealing.

You see Sv is NOT a 501(c3) - Or a non profit- The Swedish equivelent- And donating to a for Profit Corporation is something which I have never seen done execpt when said profit company is involved in a charitible activity...This is pretty big news. Could you imagine Nike, or Apple or Microsoft or Coca Cola begging for donations ? Nor can I.

Again, Henrick Nystrom still remains CEO after two years of loss, terrible PR , lies (coming from him) Staff reductions and NOW begging for donations. It seems a Corporation would go through a TOP DOWN restructure before begging . Not the case with SV. No changes at the top it seems, no matter what.

So no, this is totally relevent.

EDIT: One thing which seems to be missed by many is that SV CHOSE to be a publicly traded corporation (which is far different from a "small company")- They could have done either, or even went the LLC route but CHOSE to sell Stock and thuse have an obligation to "split" any profit among stockholders. Stockholders are investers and partial owners in SV- There are obligations here far beyond "making a game"-

Anyone who would "donate" to them would be far better off buying that same amount in stock since if Sv ever turned a profit (lol) their shares would gain value in a like percentage. Sv is still selling shares (ownership) AND asking for donations where you get "in game rewards"- This is Historic.

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