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Originally posted by IPolygon

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Originally posted by Foomerang

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Originally posted by Pivotelite

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Originally posted by RizelStar

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Originally posted by Psychow How can most fo the servers be "FULL" when a large portion of players no longer play? 

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I have no clue to be honest.  :(

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 Me neither.

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Well whats the player cap on a server? Do we know that?

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We can only estimate it for the time being. ANet said at some point that their WvW maps are the biggest and can hold up to ~200 players. Multiply that by the number of areas (including cities) and add players in instances (unknown but at least the same as the number of players in WvW).

25(afaik there are 25 maps)*200 + 200*8 (8 dungeons, I know it is just a vague gues)
= 6600.

My guess is servers can hold way more players than that, tho.

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I see. So server full doesnt really mean anything to us since we dont know any real numbers.

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Originally posted by Foomerang
I see. So server full doesnt really mean anything to us since we dont know any real numbers.

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Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by sammyeli
You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

Not that common sense bro.

There is a difference between a PLAYER and his CHARACTERS. The PLAYERS are counted... capisci?

Originally posted by BTrayaL

Originally posted by Whitebeards

Originally posted by sammyeli
You are playing a very dangerous game my friend and its called common sense. you might want to run NOW!~!!! O_O

Not everyone knew that all your alts are counted in player population. I have 5 alts, i can only imagine how many others have   that many and more. That is why a lot of people wonder where all the players are even though server is FULL.

Not that common sense bro.

There is a difference between a PLAYER and his CHARACTERS. The PLAYERS are counted... capisci?

When internet mafia says capisci..i think it would be hard to disagree.

I am shaking in my boots.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Pivotelite

And all three times there were people saying "No, it's healthy, population is rising, look more servers full now den a munth ago hurr durr!!!!".

It's called changing population distributions...

The lower level zones may not have as many players as launch (no duh!) but that means squat for the overall population if people are simply gathered in higher level zones.

If GW2's concurrency numbers were falling as quickly as some claim we wouldn't be seeing new servers being opened.

 Would I be seeing less people outside instance locations, in Lions arch, in Spvp, lowlevel zones and WvW as well?

 

They must all be clumped on one another in a secret spot for GW2 elite players.

They're all hiding behind the trees ready to jump out on the 15th shouting SURPRISE when the "massive" content patch is launched.

No-one answered my question though I'll ask another..

Can you log into a full server?

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Pivotelite

And all three times there were people saying "No, it's healthy, population is rising, look more servers full now den a munth ago hurr durr!!!!".

It's called changing population distributions...

The lower level zones may not have as many players as launch (no duh!) but that means squat for the overall population if people are simply gathered in higher level zones.

If GW2's concurrency numbers were falling as quickly as some claim we wouldn't be seeing new servers being opened.

 Would I be seeing less people outside instance locations, in Lions arch, in Spvp, lowlevel zones and WvW as well?

 

They must all be clumped on one another in a secret spot for GW2 elite players.

 

 

 

Can you log into a full server?

yes.  which is why those saying that it means actual people logged in are wrong.  it's artifical to control population.

Originally posted by muffins89

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Pivotelite

And all three times there were people saying "No, it's healthy, population is rising, look more servers full now den a munth ago hurr durr!!!!".

It's called changing population distributions...

The lower level zones may not have as many players as launch (no duh!) but that means squat for the overall population if people are simply gathered in higher level zones.

If GW2's concurrency numbers were falling as quickly as some claim we wouldn't be seeing new servers being opened.

 Would I be seeing less people outside instance locations, in Lions arch, in Spvp, lowlevel zones and WvW as well?

 

They must all be clumped on one another in a secret spot for GW2 elite players.

 

 

 

Can you log into a full server?

yes.  which is why those saying that it means actual people logged in are wrong.  it's artifical to control population.

You can also log into full servers on WoW . I've done it on Outland EU many many times without a wait . Good point though but to suggest that this only applys to GW2 is a false assumption .

As for the OP . Its pretty obvious if he thinks alts are counted hes misunderstood what was written .

Originally posted by botrytis
If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

So the server is not full then, thanks.

Originally posted by roo67

Originally posted by muffins89

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by fundayz

Originally posted by Pivotelite

And all three times there were people saying "No, it's healthy, population is rising, look more servers full now den a munth ago hurr durr!!!!".

It's called changing population distributions...

The lower level zones may not have as many players as launch (no duh!) but that means squat for the overall population if people are simply gathered in higher level zones.

If GW2's concurrency numbers were falling as quickly as some claim we wouldn't be seeing new servers being opened.

 Would I be seeing less people outside instance locations, in Lions arch, in Spvp, lowlevel zones and WvW as well?

 

They must all be clumped on one another in a secret spot for GW2 elite players.

 

 

 

Can you log into a full server?

yes.  which is why those saying that it means actual people logged in are wrong.  it's artifical to control population.

You can also log into full servers on WoW . I've done it on Outland EU many many times without a wait . Good point though but to suggest that this only applys to GW2 is a false assumption .

As for the OP . Its pretty obvious if he thinks alts are counted hes misunderstood what was written .

nowhere have ever said it this only applys to gw2 or any other game.  that is your false assumption.

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Originally posted by botrytis
If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

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Originally posted by Calerxes

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Originally posted by botrytis If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

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So the server is not full then, thanks.

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Have to agree with GW2 supporters here.

Going from  that quote, it's clear the number of alts has no bearing on how full a server is.

Besides that making no sense at all to begin with, the quote is pretty clear on that (can't see how anyone got confused, TBH).

Furthermore, even if the alts were counted, this information is useless without knowing how many characters a server can hold.

TL;DR: If they wanted to skew server statuses, they could do it regardless of how players are counted. This point serves both sides and proves nothing for either.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Calerxes

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Originally posted by botrytis If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

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So the server is not full then, thanks.

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The overflow server is a different server. If the server wasn't full, you wouldn't be moved to a different server...the overflow server.

 

So when I play a game like Perfect World and I'm in channel 6 on the Dreamwaever server am I on dreamweaver or an separate server? No I'm on another instance of the world on that server. Arenanet is doing the same thing and calling it something different thats all, the server is not full.

Basically what we know is that full server population is a specific number  which we don't have the specific details for. We also know that the number of current accounts is a specific number which we don't have the specific details for. We also know that the number of current active users is a variable which we do not have the statistics for.  Those things are all specifically unknown but what we can attain from this is that forum users will continue to argue about stuff they don't know, saying that other people are wrong in what they don't know, just because someone makes an obtuse statement balanced in obscurity.

Are the forums now the playground of the modern day self proclaimed philosopher?

"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" - Douglas Adams

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Calerxes

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Originally posted by botrytis If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

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So the server is not full then, thanks.

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The overflow server is a different server. If the server wasn't full, you wouldn't be moved to a different server...the overflow server.

 

 

So when I play a game like Perfect World and I'm in channel 6 on the Dreamwaever server am I on dreamweaver or an separate server? No I'm on another instance of the world on that server. Arenanet is doing the same thing and calling it something different thats all, the server is not full.

Makes me wonder if the game assigns people arbitrarily to the overflow server in order to present a populated game world. Otherwise what if all of the servers are open except yours, and you're the very first guy that needs to be routed to overflow? You'd be by yourself in this giant game world.

Also, the GW2 wiki about the overflow shard says it's shared by all servers, so I think it actually does change which server your information is physically stored on until your 'home' server opens up.

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by Calerxes

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Originally posted by botrytis If you log into a full server, you automatically get kicked to Overflow. So there is no wait in PvE.

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So the server is not full then, thanks.

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The overflow server is a different server. If the server wasn't full, you wouldn't be moved to a different server...the overflow server.

 

 

So when I play a game like Perfect World and I'm in channel 6 on the Dreamwaever server am I on dreamweaver or an separate server? No I'm on another instance of the world on that server. Arenanet is doing the same thing and calling it something different thats all, the server is not full.

Makes me wonder if the game assigns people arbitrarily to the overflow server in order to present a populated game world. Otherwise what if all of the servers are open except yours, and you're the very first guy that needs to be routed to overflow? You'd be by yourself in this giant game world.

Also, the GW2 wiki about the overflow shard says it's shared by all servers, so I think it actually does change which server your information is physically stored on until your 'home' server opens up.

So if they can do that for the overflow server why make servers in the first place? The overflow server at launch must have been a massive server of its own bigger than any of the proper servers or were there channels as in my example? could you play with people of other servers and did you infact do that?

I also have to wonder about the server "Full" or "High" status and issues WvW had with night capping.  If the server status remains "Full" or "High" during the off peak hours (for US servers), if it were describing concurrent users, do you really think there would be an issue with night capping?  With so many servers "Full" and "High" during off peak hours, shouldn't WvW just be business as usual?  You know, just like it is during the peak hours when the server populations are listed as "Full" and "High".

The logic is there, the community manager response looks like it says that server population is determined by the number of accounts calling that server their home.  However, that response is worded in such a way that people that want to believe it's concurrent users can do so.  It looks like PR spin to me.  "full from people actually playing there at the moment" can mean the same thing as "full due to the number of accounts currently assigned to the server as their home server".  You see it in the "he will be counted among the total players of Baruch".  Concurrent players shouldn't have anything to do with TOTAL PLAYERS.  The fact that total players is being talk about at lends confidence that the first statement implicitly was referring to total players as well.

Edit: Another thing to consider.  Why would concurrent users prevent someone from transferring?  It's not exactly a fool proof system.  If server status was determined by concurrent players and transfers were limited by 'full' server status, I know that I would just transfer during off peak hours.  Region based servers are not full at off peak hours for any game.  If it was this easy to get around, why even bother limiting transfers at all... they have overflow servers after all.