Originally posted by ShakyMo
They need something where you can't ever ever transfer to a campaign where your side is dominant. Otherwise most campaigns will be a massive clusterf*ck of 1 massive side rveing all the keeps occasionally killing the odd solo masochist from the other 2 sides.

Sadly modern gamers just go with the path of least resistance, as witnessed by swtor and tsw. This isn't 2002 you can't rely IB responsible players to balance the factions or go with underdogs for the kudos of it like with daoc and planetside.

The penalty involved will be "meaningful" enough that players aren't just going to want to switch to the FOTM campaign where their Faction is ahead, because it won't be worth it. At the same time, players can switch to campaigns where their faction is the underdog, and there's more PvP available, (people do this all the time). Therefore, one faction will never stay on top permanently, and someone would have to keep switching around to join the campaign where their faction is winning, more often than they'd be capable of doing... Just for clarification

Originally posted by ShakyMo
No muffins you misunderstand

The other 2 factions won't band together

They will just take the ap hit and switch to a campaign where they are winning

No offesnse, but if you haven't played DAoC, it's hard to comprehend what "taking the AP hit" will involve, because I know in DAoC, if you lose a few RR's (Realm Ranks), that's a BIG DEAL. And Paul Sage said that Campaign switching penalties will be "meaningful", so for all intents and purposes, we have to look at campaign switches as a sort of server transfer, as previously stated by someone in this thread.

i played daoc for years

Modern players aren't daoc era players.  Kids nowadays take ti way more personally when they die in game.

if they dont have things in place to stop players switching to a campaign where they dominate, it will be a huge mess. 

Originally posted by ShakyMo

i played daoc for years

Modern players aren't daoc era players.  Kids nowadays take ti way more personally when they die in game.

if they dont have things in place to stop players switching to a campaign where they dominate, it will be a huge mess. 

they've already acknowledged your concern.  we just dont know how it will work yet. 

Originally posted by muffins89

• PvP comprises a major portion of endgame content in TES:O, with a mix of open-world RvR and instanced arenas. No one will be forced to PvP if they do not wish to do so, PvP participation is purely voluntary either by entering a battleground or Cyrodiil. ^(GI1),(GI11)
• The focal point of PvP in TES:O is the war between the three player factions in the central province of Cyrodiil. This entire province is the stage for endgame PvP, and its geographic map is inspired directly from that used in TES4: Oblivion. The full size of the playable area of Cyrodiil is even (slightly) larger than the landmass portrayed in Oblivion, all Cyrodiil’s major geographic landmarks and points of interest are present and will be immediately recognizable to fans of Oblivion. ^(GI1),(TF1)
• The three faction system is designed to naturally balance and lend political intrigue to the persistent PvP endgame. If any one faction becomes too powerful, the other two factions naturally tend to work together to turn the tide of battle. ^(GI1),(GI3)
• Players may begin participating in Cyrodiil from level 10 onwards. Players who are below level 50 recieve “battle-leveling” which enhances their attributes so they may participate and contribute to the alliance war. Battle-leveled players do not recieve the full complement of abilities, perks, or gear that a naturally leveled player would have, therefore a strong incentive to level and optimize your character remains present. ^(TF1)
• Because of the megaserver technology, Cyrodiil needs to be separated into multiple instances. However, instead of random assignment of players, ZeniMax recognizes the importance of having static PvP communities for the sake of rivalry and investment in the state of the realm war. Therefore, players are assigned (or may select) a “campaign”, which is a permanent parallel version of Cyrodiil’s realm war to which they belong. Campaigns will be named after the major cities in the region. ^(TF1)
• Guilds can collectively select a Cyrodiil campaign, and players will be able to switch campaigns, however this will impose some meaningful alliance point cost. However, you are prohibited from having characters from different factions in the same campaign. ^(TF1)
• In order to maintain the PvP focus on the massive realm war in Cyrodiil, ZeniMax has elected to not include any form of structured or instanced PvP at launch. They want players’ focus to be on the alliance war, which is the crowning facet of TESO’s gameplay. ^(TF1)

 

 

OK this actually sounds pretty good.

Originally posted by muffins89
i like that it's not just siege warfare.  it's an actual pve zone that allows owpvp. 

On that note, they have actually confirmed some sort of "Darkness Falls" will be in the game at launch, WOOT WOOT!! :D

Originally posted by Qallidexz

Originally posted by muffins89
i like that it's not just siege warfare.  it's an actual pve zone that allows owpvp. 

On that note, they have actually confirmed some sort of "Darkness Falls" will be in the game at launch, WOOT WOOT!! :D

What do you mean by "Darkness Falls"?

I assume you dont meen the god awfull horror flick from 03?

Darkness Falls is a large dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot with PvE content... but all three Realms could go there (sort of) and PvP each other over the PvE.

http://camelot.allakhazam.com/zones.html?czone=62

Originally posted by Axxar
Darkness Falls is a large dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot with PvE content... but all three Realms could go there and PvP each other over the PvE.

Ahh, yeah public dungeons will be cool, infact I'm loving that Cyrodil will be an actual open world pvp zone rather than just a big pvp map, having quest hubs, public dungeons etc will give me something to do other than joining the nearest zerg

Originally posted by deakon

Originally posted by Axxar
Darkness Falls is a large dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot with PvE content... but all three Realms could go there and PvP each other over the PvE.

Ahh, yeah public dungeons will be cool, infact I'm loving that Cyrodil will be an actual open world pvp zone rather than just a big pvp map, having quest hubs, public dungeons etc will give me something to do other than joining the nearest zerg

Darkness Falls wasn' just a "Public Dungeon", public dungeons were just any dungeon within a zone that was non-instanced, but most of these dungeons were in the players' "home zones", so you didn't have a chance at PvP there... Darkness Falls was a whole different story entirely, because there were three seperate entrances (one for each Realm), and players could go in there and PvE OR PvP, and players were motivated to PvE in there, because they had their own "Darkness Falls" currency, that offered SICK loot, BUT, of course, if players went in there, they ran the risk of getting ganked, (particularly by stealthers), so it was very HIGH risk HIGH reward, and all in all, the PvP added a layer of intensity to the dungeon that just made it simply AWESOME.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
You had to unlock access to df by your realm doing well in rvr. Only one realm at a time had access. However once you were in you weren't kicked if another realm got access, they had to kill you to get rid of you.

Oh, I forgot about that, I mostly played on Mordred, lol.