Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by Dreskest

Well, in my opinion, these forums are full of cheapskates and freeloaders, so it's not surprising to see the outrage caused by companies who expect people to pay for entertainment.

 

After all, in the age of pirating movies, books, games, software, music, satellite TV,  etc. you must be crazy if you expect to make a profit by providing entertainment. It's all free or nothing right ?

More or less you have to pay roundly $50 upfront to have the perks allowing you to play the game conveniently for one character.

 

That's more than $15 and it does not takes into account the weekly pass required for other content.

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins
I have a question on unlocks.  If you unlock the extra action bars is it for all of your characters?

250 per character, 540 for entire account

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

 

You obviously love SWTOR.  But lets hold off on saying the F2P version of 1-50 will be great.  It all depends on how much they nerfed XP, assuming they did, for F2P.  If it turns out that given all of the limitations you need to grind entire levels killing mobs or buy XP pots, then the experience won't be well received.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

 

You obviously love SWTOR.  But lets hold off on saying the F2P version of 1-50 will be great.  It all depends on how much they nerfed XP, assuming they did, for F2P.  If it turns out that given all of the limitations you need to grind entire levels killing mobs or buy XP pots, then the experience won't be well received.

I actually don't see problem here. Outleveling content in SWTOR was my biggest problem /grin. We have to find out first how much lower xp is and what is the difference between F2P, Preferred and Sub. I could not find answer to this question yet.

Most of the F2P players will probably get to preferred status pretty fast when they spend 5 bucks in the game.

I will be looking for answers here.

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

 

 For me, I have never played the game at all, never spent a dime on it, I am going to give the FTP version a try and probably wont spend anything on it though I will give myself a $10 limit to spend if I do enjoy the game.   The only reason I am going to try it is because of the fact that it is going FTP. 

Havent your heard, some of the best things in life are free? (Please note, that does not mean I am saying SWTOR falls into that category)

Originally posted by Flaming_MMO

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

 

 For me, I have never played the game at all, never spent a dime on it, I am going to give the FTP version a try and probably wont spend anything on it though I will give myself a $10 limit to spend if I do enjoy the game.   The only reason I am going to try it is because of the fact that it is going FTP. 

Havent your heard, some of the best things in life are free? (Please note, that does not mean I am saying SWTOR falls into that category)

Depends how you define free.

Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Originally posted by Flaming_MMO

If you want to play conveniently - sub. You can play 1-50 without paying a penny. You can try PvP and Space missions and FPs. You want more stuff? Sorry, but nothing in this world is free nor should be.

 

 For me, I have never played the game at all, never spent a dime on it, I am going to give the FTP version a try and probably wont spend anything on it though I will give myself a $10 limit to spend if I do enjoy the game.   The only reason I am going to try it is because of the fact that it is going FTP. 

Havent your heard, some of the best things in life are free? (Please note, that does not mean I am saying SWTOR falls into that category)

Depends how you define free.

I agree with SevenStart61 on everything said. Why complaing about the prices when you can pay 15$ and have access to most of it. Don't complain to complain. People always just want to find something wrong with SWTOR. I love the game, I'm a subber, and I'm sure I'll pick up a few items using my Cartel coins. I don't like EA as a whole, but I do like this game and I will support it.

Also, I sold a weapon on Diablo 3 for $90 and a handful of other things their between $20-$40. I don't get it because I would never spend money like that on D3, but there are some who will. These prices are fine, don't ike it, pay the $15 and stop complaining.

LOL, TOR had no endgame and they're gimping PVP.

LOL, who's going to P2W PVE storymode? It's already easy. BW is grossly incompetent.

And to the guy who says you shouldn't expect something for nothing, considering I got nothing for something when I bought TOR, I'd say maybe they owe us something on karma.

They didn't even update their game. Same as Warhammer Online (many of the same devs, who should be blacklisted).  They expected you to sub when IRL, the game was in Beta. Not only were they too slow in making new content, they didn't even fix bugs.

I remember logging in one day after falling through a map for about the 30th time because devs didn't understand geometry and the customer support message was a nonsensical string of gibberish, presumably their tech unconscious on the keyboard.

The truth is, no one wants to pay for TOR. The game should buy a B2P, not F2P. They made a MMORPG that's basically a single-player game you play with other people. With fairly enjoyable instanced PVP.

F2P hinges on either selling xp/other bonuses so the game is less grind-y, which is ridiculous with TOR because it negates its selling point, which is that levelling was fun. Or it has to do with bonuses/characters in PVP. Or you sell cosmetic items and gear. Nearly worst, but still tolerable, is character alterations/slots/etc or still worse, gimped game features, which range from generally innocuous (fewer character slots) to insane (fewer bag slots, forcing you to eventually buy more).

Purchasing character slots alienates previous subscribers and, again, plays to TOR's weakness. It forces people to play fewer toons. Considering it has no endgame, and it sells itself on the story, limiting that is asinine.

sooo...if your subbing monthly are you still gonna have to pay for some of this stuff?

if so...

Originally posted by odinsrath

sooo...if your subbing monthly are you still gonna have to pay for some of this stuff?

if so...

I would assume so. That's vaguely how the Korean F2P games work and some of the SOE games (you get X points for subscribing).

You'll generally never get what you used to get for subscribing even if you "subscribe". I, personally, hate F2P. It's like layaway or leasing.

Originally posted by odinsrath

sooo...if your subbing monthly are you still gonna have to pay for some of this stuff?

if so...

All the "cool" items from the ganbling packs.  The packs for upper level stuff cost $4 a pop, even to subscribers.  You always get some cruddy gear, companion gifts, and other common items, but there is a rare chance for raid quality purples, unique pets, unique mounts, and unique style emote'able items.  Only one of the testers I saw got the ultra rare items, so I'm guessing the chance is pretty damn slim. (one person did get a pretty damn good relic with a powerful passive effect).

You can also buy Xp boosts to get max level in a jiffy, along with other direct purchased emote animations (like the carbonite chamber), or a summonable chair that actually works, and can be sat upon. [I guess chatbubbles will be for sale next]

There is a crap load of gear for sale also, about $1-$2 an item.  There is another thread for this.

Their model seems pretty idiotic.  The biggest selling feature of TOR is the class storylines.. which they're not charging for.  Instead of making their money there, they've chosen to charge ridiculous prices for some of the less needed features. 

Honestly, i think it's good for the freeloaders but bad for BioWare. 

LoTRO remains the best example of a well-done freemium model.  If TOR had followed that model and charged people for quests / zones / dungeons as a one-time payment to open them, they would do much better financially imo.

Oh well, now I can go back absolutely free and finish some of those questlines when i'm bored with EQ2 or just feel like swinging a lightsaber at things. 

Originally posted by arieste

Their model seems pretty idiotic.  The biggest selling feature of TOR is the class storylines.. which they're not charging for.  Instead of making their money there, they've chosen to charge ridiculous prices for some of the less needed features. 

 

Honestly, i think it's good for the freeloaders but bad for BioWare. 

 

LoTRO remains the best example of a well-done freemium model.  If TOR had followed that model and charged people for quests / zones / dungeons as a one-time payment to open them, they would do much better financially imo.

 

Oh well, now I can go back absolutely free and finish some of those questlines when i'm bored with EQ2 or just feel like swinging a lightsaber at things. 

Exactly, seems their mindset was lure people in game with the free content and then when they are hooked make them pay for the tools needed to enjoy it.

It's like being offered a free meal but you have to pay for everything but the plate: forks, chair, table, glass even the light.

Unless you're famished and can't walk you might pretty much lean to the other side of the street in wich only the extras like beer and private lounge are taxed.

in this wall of CC items i wonder...

does this game will let the f2p players to gain CC in-game (specific quests that grands CC)

im asking this cuz LOTRO i think has turbine points that can earned with in-game quests.

Originally posted by defector1968

in this wall of CC items i wonder...

does this game will let the f2p players to gain CC in-game (specific quests that grands CC)

im asking this cuz LOTRO i think has turbine points that can earned with in-game quests.

No but most thinga that can be purchased with CC's can be traded, so you can buy, say a weekly flashpoint pass, for ingame credits

I see some weekly unlocks on warzones and flashpoints.. I'd like to remove the warzone limits completly.. any word if they intend to sell complete unlock ?

And I personnally consider the prices to be ok.. They still want you to subscribe after all..

Originally posted by Kebeck

I see some weekly unlocks on warzones and flashpoints.. I'd like to remove the warzone limits completly.. any word if they intend to sell complete unlock ?

 

And I personnally consider the prices to be ok.. They still want you to subscribe after all..

Doubt they will allow an unlimited unlock, the last thing they want/need is for you to pay once and be done.

Like you say they want you to sub up, if they offered a one off payment to unlock flashpoints/warzones that would leave very little thats worth paying a sub for

There are so many complaints that all center around the idea that this F2P option for this subscription game is somehow bad. That  was so confusing to me.

1. They have not taken anything away from the subscription players like myself, so basically the only thing this option does to me is add players to the world and give me some items in the cartel market that I can purchase (like armor sets) if I decide I want to. (Nothing bad here)

2. Given players that can't pay the sub fee during a particular month (behind on bills, spent to much money on other stuff whatever) the ability to still log in their charactor and continue to prgress through their storyline quest as well as continue to level their charactor to 50 while taking a break on the wallet. (certainly nothng bad here)

3. Allowing players like myself, the ability to have their wife log back in and play along side them since their wife (like mine) didnt want to continue paying the sub when she only played every once in awhile. (great option here, after all, a man needs his healer. Even if its just on the weekends)

4. Given people that have been hesitant to even try the game due to bad press or just not sure if the money would be well spent the ability to play the game all the way to the max level without ever spending a single penny. (nothing bad here)

Now, note I said at the beginning "was" so confusing to me, after recent events in the US I realize that we live in a world where everyone thinks they are entiled to have everything given to them for free. So, now I get it.