Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Jonoku

Originally posted by bcbully
With all due respect to OP. Being handed gear wont make you as good as the people with gear. 

Have you played swtor pvp? Its gear>skill in that game, less skill involved, just spam a button(CC) and go berserk.

Yeah I played an ungodly amount. I've never used the excuse of "He has better gear than me." in any game. What's wrong with putting your time in, learning how to over come just like everyone else with the gear you desired did? 

 

Is it possible that since they are higher skilled, their journey to geared wasn't as painful as yours? This is usually how things work. Bad players with no gear run in get smashed then go to the forums. Good players with no gear find a way to contribute and enjoy doing it. 

Everyone does 10 damage for being undergeared compared to everyone else, how is that an improvement? they mine as well take the criticism in the pvp matches and keep playing with bad gear if all they have is this game to PvP. "Higher skilled." I haven't seen such a thing in this game if there is any, very little skill involvment in this game, this topic is debateable, I don't think spamming CC or whoever hits the CC button first wins is considered skill. I remember the only CC we had was a snare or root and you were able to still attack people.

P.S. Not that I'm complaining because I don't have a gun to my head(thats how far it would take me to play again) to do warzones in swtor

I had decent pvp gear when I quit. I recently resubbed to test out pvp again AND to make sure I get my cartel freebies when it goes live. I will not stay subbed after that.

The pvp as a whole is still a travesty and likely in worse shape now than when the game was new. All of the gear I earned has quickly become kinda meh for warzones. As the game has no real world pvp (ilum pvp is turned off) I have zero urge to grind for gear. Why would I grind gear for subpar play, subpary warzones... When GW2 has everyone in SPVP setup on nice even footing, all the gear you need to enjoy yourself.. No fees, no grind, just skill. 

In short.. It looks like SWTOR is going to be limited to very occasional play for me. Some light RP and likely nothing more.

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by GolbezTheLion

You knew the game had gear based PvP.

You tried to PvP with no gear.

You got destroyed.

And now you're trying to blame that on the game?

 

Come on guy....

Well you have to "get" PVP gear you know.

It's not like I can just go and buy it. And the way to get it is like participating 2 months as worthless trash companion where people send you tells like "you are worthless, please don't join pvp anymore".

As a mater of fact, you can buy the starting gear.

SWTOR requires both skill and gear - if you don't have both of them you're going to lose hard and fast to someone else that does.

But there's also team coordination (which plays into the skill requirement) - if you've got someone guarding you, bubbling/healing you and taunting your attackers your healthbar isn't going to go down much, even from the bursty specs out there.  Even recruit characters will be fine with that kind of support.  And even fully maxxed war heroes can get focus fired and stun/killed in a handful of seconds.

The level 1-49 can be fun for not-so-great players because it is full of a variety of gear and skill levels and most of the coordinated teams are in the 50 bracket.  I have a level 47 twinked focus sentinel (with ~200 expertise even) and I have lots of fun stomping people with it occasionally.

In my first level 50 game with a fresh 50 (my 4th 50 but no legacied comm gear and no guildies backing me) a couple weeks ago I got not-so-high damage but 3 solo kills using my recruit - a little later that day I did get top damage for my team a couple times.  It _is_ a bit rough but it's supposed to be: without the gear grind I promise SWTOR would have no wzs at all (other than pre 50).

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Originally posted by GolbezTheLion
So basically you want to look awesome and have availability to high rank gear without putting in even a tenth of the effort everyone else did to get the rank and gear they have?

You can be very competitive in 50 PvP as a new player, even just wearing the blue set. Maybe you're just not a very good PvPer? Did you ever consider that?

If I were you, I would either spend time practicing every day to improve, or stick with PvE.

 

 

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The carrot on the stick grind for pvp gear got old for me quick last time I played.

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Originally posted by Jyiiga

The pvp as a whole is still a travesty and likely in worse shape now than when the game was new. All of the gear I earned has quickly become kinda meh for warzones. As the game has no real world pvp (ilum pvp is turned off) I have zero urge to grind for gear. Why would I grind gear for subpar play, subpary warzones... When GW2 has everyone in SPVP setup on nice even footing, all the gear you need to enjoy yourself.. No fees, no grind, just skill. 
 

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Thank god I didn't do any crafting, SWTOR's crafting is pretty bad anyways.

Originally posted by Elikal

Good riddance. I just tried to play my old lv 50 chars (Jedi Guardian and Sith Assasin) in PVP again... and GOOD RIDDANCE. I didn't have any gear yet, and people with uber pvp endgame gear... it's like attacking someone wih cotton balls. It does no damage. Liek none at all.

Trololol... how pathetic. After having saved/doomed the galaxy with my chars in that uber epic story, in PVP they are the suxxors, because this gear gap makes it hilarious.

 

Weird, I haven't see any MMO having done this right. Somehow.

You quit GW2 because it has no gear progression. Then you re sub to SWTOR knowig very well that it is based on gear progression. And now you are complaining about that no MMO has done it right?  *scratches head*

Me thinks you just love to complain.

Yes you can buy the gear lvl 50 pvp for about 300k your suppose to get a set free when you hit 50 check the pvp terminal.

Yes if you go in there with no pvp gear at lvl 50 be prepaired to have light saber inserted where the light don't shine!

Originally posted by Elikal

Good riddance. I just tried to play my old lv 50 chars (Jedi Guardian and Sith Assasin) in PVP again... and GOOD RIDDANCE. I didn't have any gear yet, and people with uber pvp endgame gear... it's like attacking someone wih cotton balls. It does no damage. Liek none at all.

Trololol... how pathetic. After having saved/doomed the galaxy with my chars in that uber epic story, in PVP they are the suxxors, because this gear gap makes it hilarious.

 

Weird, I haven't see any MMO having done this right. Somehow.

1). Did you bought the new recruit gear?, you even have a quest to get it for free. If you was fighting in Champion or Centurion gear, thats was your problem because that gear is now useless in PvP. You should use the new Recruit gear.

2). You can get all ur Battlemaster gear in less than a Week.

3). Is not the gear what make the difference, you need augments in your armor. The blue ones are good enough till you get ur War hero set.

4). A guy un BM gear can beat a guy in WH gear.  

Originally posted by TeknoBug

 

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Originally posted by GolbezTheLion
So basically you want to look awesome and have availability to high rank gear without putting in even a tenth of the effort everyone else did to get the rank and gear they have?

 

You can be very competitive in 50 PvP as a new player, even just wearing the blue set. Maybe you're just not a very good PvPer? Did you ever consider that?

If I were you, I would either spend time practicing every day to improve, or stick with PvE.

 

 

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You're kidding right? Recruit gear is TERRIBLE, but yes you have to buy it if you want to get into pvp, people will bash you for not wearing any gear with +expertise if you don't. Recruit doesn't help you because you only get 13K health and can still die to a single rage smash.

 

The carrot on the stick grind for pvp gear got old for me quick last time I played.

No you won't die in one hit but certianly in 3 hits!

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by GolbezTheLion

You knew the game had gear based PvP.

You tried to PvP with no gear.

You got destroyed.

And now you're trying to blame that on the game?

 

Come on guy....

Well you have to "get" PVP gear you know.

It's not like I can just go and buy it. And the way to get it is like participating 2 months as worthless trash companion where people send you tells like "you are worthless, please don't join pvp anymore".

Actually, yes. Yes you can. There's a whole set of PvP gear to buy.

OMG you are right... but but... my Sith looks like BIBO the Sithlord! My wonderful, decend, understatement looks is now replaced with feather stuff that looks like Vader's Gay Twinbrother on a dragshow parade! *sob*

Oh and I die all the time still.. must be me... don't mind me. *handwave* This is not the looser you were looking for... move along.

 

SIDENOTE: In seriousness. PVP until level 49 is fun, great and usually I fare ok. But getting level 50 in SWTOR pvp is like dropping in a damn abyss, a stampede walzing over you and 1000 cats nibbling you to death. PAINFUL. And having played GW2 PVP I am simply TOTALLY overwhelmed in SWTOR with 3 full quickbars and a subjectively felt 2000 skills. With 41 I am just not that nimble anymore or I lack like 4 additional pairs of hands to manage all these skills. In PVP, less is more. My Jedi Knight just isn't better because he was 15 different "attack with lightsaber slash" variants and 8 different "stun" variants. I am just overwhelmed with that fustercluck of quickbars! @__@

You don't need to use them all. II use just 10 abilitys in pvp that way I can use the keybrd quickly and I'm always 1 or 2 in medals or damage or kills.