Originally posted by fivoroth

I will play this game no matter what. I love the Elder Scrolls Series. And they said we will be able to explore most of the regions? Sign me in! I don't care if it is what YOU guys call a themepark or not. 

Having a quest system with classes = WoW clone? 

Anyways, I am playing this game no matter what. I know it is not made by Bethesda and I like it this way. I want Bethesda to keep pushing out the TES singleplayer games. 

You have the power of choice, explore the new regions in a generic, bland, static, plastic, no meaningful, dumbed down, small enviroment featured by zenimax online or u can w8 for the nexts bethesda TRUE ES. i know i wont spoil my marvelous experience by a quick cash grab.

Originally posted by TsaboHavoc

Originally posted by fivoroth

I will play this game no matter what. I love the Elder Scrolls Series. And they said we will be able to explore most of the regions? Sign me in! I don't care if it is what YOU guys call a themepark or not. 

Having a quest system with classes = WoW clone? 

Anyways, I am playing this game no matter what. I know it is not made by Bethesda and I like it this way. I want Bethesda to keep pushing out the TES singleplayer games. 

You have the power of choice, explore the new regions in a generic, bland, static, plastic, no meaningful, dumbed down, small enviroment featured by zenimax online or u can w8 for the nexts bethesda TRUE ES. i know i wont spoil my marvelous experience by a quick cash grab.

So you have played TESO then? How did you get the job? Is there any more going and can you put a word in?

Or are you just making stuff up?

Dont answer I think i've figured it out

Surely the question should be "If TESO turns out to be an EQ clone (like WoW is) would you still play it?"

Only very young teenagers still think that WoW was the first don't they? It's like believing in Santa Claus.

Originally posted by Thenextbigthing

Surely the question should be "If TESO turns out to be an EQ clone (like WoW is) would you still play it?"

 

Only very young teenagers still think that WoW was the first don't they? It's like believing in Santa Claus.

There is a difference between WoW clones and how WoW "cloned" EQ. WoW borrowed a lot of ideas from EQ but it also improved on a lot of them giving its own twist on pretty much EVERY single thing it borrowed WoW came up with the questing system. EQ was a grindfest compared to WoW. WoW adopted talent trees, last time I checked EQ didn't have those. WoW is the only MMO I have ever played to get the druid class right (for me this is HUGE as I played that class for over 5 years without getting bored). There are so many things which WoW did bettter than MMOs before it that it will take me ages to list them. Also WoW had tons of content at launch.

All WOW clones are so lackluster compared to WoW that it isn't funny. The major things which WoW clones are copying from WoW are its talent system and questing system. Those things were NOT in EQ. Even EQ itself started adopting a lot of WoW's philosophies because they saw that WoW was vastly more popular than EQ. Most gamers have never heard of EQ but everyone knows about WoW and with good reason.

Of course not. Why would I want a reskinned version of a bad game?

Its very clear that the developers want to make this game a big virtual world game with no instances, but the publishers are forcing WoW features down their throats. 

You cannot good public dungeons AND instancing AND phasing in the same game.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I don't think wow borrowed that much from EQ apart from "raiders first"
It borrowed its UI from ac
It borrowed its accessibility from coh
It borrowed its instancing from ao
It borrowed its pvp from quake

Hahaha, you're joking right? The lead WoW devs were hardcore EQ raiders. 90% of the game is just EQ but dumbed down to an unspeakably easy antisocial level.

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I don't think wow borrowed that much from EQ apart from "raiders first"
It borrowed its UI from ac
It borrowed its accessibility from coh
It borrowed its instancing from ao
It borrowed its pvp from quake

Hahaha, you're joking right? The lead WoW devs were hardcore EQ raiders. 90% of the game is just EQ but dumbed down to an unspeakably easy antisocial level.

Yes that is the impression I got as well. EQ but dumbed down and made incredibly easy to level your character. However in this dumbing down they made it quite different to play than EQ, along with the fact that they more or less introduced quest hub based leveling. Dont think any MMO before that, had quest hubs.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by korent1991

Also, what exactly is a wow clone?!

Obviously there is no definition of it, but most people that use this phrase agree that it is:  mmorpg that is almost purely combat oriented and which include very fast levelling and offer matchmaking instance-based gameplay as it's main dish.

Not really. It's games that copy their UI, class system, quest system, leveling system, item system, raid system, from WoW, then bolt on a gimmick or two to make it "unique".

For example: See, LotRO, SWOTR, WAR's PvE, AoC's PvE, Rift, and virtually every AAA MMO of the last 8 years.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I don't think wow borrowed that much from EQ apart from "raiders first"
It borrowed its UI from ac
It borrowed its accessibility from coh
It borrowed its instancing from ao
It borrowed its pvp from quake

Hahaha, you're joking right? The lead WoW devs were hardcore EQ raiders. 90% of the game is just EQ but dumbed down to an unspeakably easy antisocial level.

Yes that is the impression I got as well. EQ but dumbed down and made incredibly easy to level your character. However in this dumbing down they made it quite different to play than EQ, along with the fact that they more or less introduced quest hub based leveling. Dont think any MMO before that, had quest hubs.

City of Heroes did. WoW was never really the first to do anything. In 8 years they've never invented a single unique gameplay mechanic.

But yes, while all the mechanics play the same as EQ, the entire philosophy behind the game is different. Where EQ was about a social virtual world, that was harsh and encouraged you to band together, WoW was about an instanced game you played mostly solo and are never in any danger of being confused or losing.

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by korent1991

Also, what exactly is a wow clone?!

Obviously there is no definition of it, but most people that use this phrase agree that it is:  mmorpg that is almost purely combat oriented and which include very fast levelling and offer matchmaking instance-based gameplay as it's main dish.

Not really. It's games that copy their UI, class system, quest system, leveling system, item system, raid system, from WoW, then bolt on a gimmick or two to make it "unique".

 

For example: See, LotRO, SWOTR, WAR's PvE, AoC's PvE, Rift, and virtually every AAA MMO of the last 8 years.

sorry but. aoc was nothing like wow

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by DavisFlight

Originally posted by ShakyMo
I don't think wow borrowed that much from EQ apart from "raiders first"
It borrowed its UI from ac
It borrowed its accessibility from coh
It borrowed its instancing from ao
It borrowed its pvp from quake

Hahaha, you're joking right? The lead WoW devs were hardcore EQ raiders. 90% of the game is just EQ but dumbed down to an unspeakably easy antisocial level.

Yes that is the impression I got as well. EQ but dumbed down and made incredibly easy to level your character. However in this dumbing down they made it quite different to play than EQ, along with the fact that they more or less introduced quest hub based leveling. Dont think any MMO before that, had quest hubs.

City of Heroes did. WoW was never really the first to do anything. In 8 years they've never invented a single unique gameplay mechanic.

But yes, while all the mechanics play the same as EQ, the entire philosophy behind the game is different. Where EQ was about a social virtual world, that was harsh and encouraged you to band together, WoW was about an instanced game you played mostly solo and are never in any danger of being confused or losing.

Their dungeon finder is quite unique I would say. Phasing is unique. Pet battles, last time I checked no other MMO had that.

Also leveling through questing was pretty much WoW's idea. But judging from you post that it's a "dumbed down version of EQ and super antisocial" I am guessing you never played WoW or you played it for 5 minutes at some point.

WoW was actually fun when it came out unlike all those other MMOs like EQ. 

Bethesda is an absolutely amazing developer who I have nothing but respect and admiration for.  Their games are in a league of their own and have truly set the bar for Action RPGs.

I have always found myself enjoying their products and I'm a pretty picky gamer at this point, having a tendency to easily point out a game's faults and shortcomings.  With Bethesda's games, I sit back and truly enjoy myself - never questioning the mechanics (because they work, make sense, and are solid), never wishing for more polish, and never feeling like they took shortcuts when releasing the game.

I will definitely be purchasing TESO even if people claim its a WoW clone.

Yeah I'm wore out on themeparks.

ES without the sandbox is like pizza without bread or cheese - dumb and you end up with a mess.