Originally posted by Quizzical
Different people want different things.  The biggest reason why there are a lot more people who play MMORPGs now than there were ten years ago is that there are a lot of people who want something offered by at least one game today that wasn't offered by any games ten years ago.

Do you really believe that is the biggest reason why more people are playing MMORPG's today than 10 years ago?   Not, you know, there's just more people, and more people with computers than 10 years ago where now MMO gaming is just more mainstream?

Originally posted by jazz.be

It's hard to define WE.

Some MMO players come from an RPG background, some from adventure games, some from FPS and so on.

Do I miss the point?

no your not missing the point at all. it is hard to "define" "us" "mmo gamers"

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

Originally posted by jazz.be

 

Do I miss the point?

Where the was last place you remember seeing it?  

Originally posted by unkillable9

so your saying that if they continue to feed us crap, we have to eat it? and because we were forced to eat it that means we like it and want more?

In a binary world, the only alternative would seem to be futile rage.

Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Developers need to realize that what players want and what makes players want to play are not the same thing.

damn, thats actually a very nice quote you have on your hands there Gamer. and i agree, if i follow you correctly it seems to be about the deeper reasons for character progression (and why we play games)  vs.  say the in game mechanics for HOW you progress?

Originally posted by unkillable9

The early 2000s gave us the innovation and freedom of choice. What i continue to realize is that we all unified as gamers by being players and fans of our favorite titles.

 

There were only about 5 or so titles out at that time to choose from, period. we picked one, stuck with it, and helped it grow. We want that feeling back. all of us do. The MMO market is now like an American Super Market  = So many choices that we just seem to go with what works and is cheapest. 

 

We will not be unified as gamers by the games we play anymore (there is too much variance in opinion now)

 

I believe that we need to start communicating to game developers everywhere in a clear and unified way, "what WE would like to see created in MMO games" 

 

I think that someone out there would read this and think of something, some kind of website, voting method, feature list, some puzzle peice tetris-like-voltron-forming community site where we could communicate the ideas we need to as a community of gamers.

 

I am in no way taking a shot at anyones personal status but my opinion is this: some current game developers, maybe a majority, are getting older. Some of these older developers might be losing touch with what the community really wants. that coupled with an MMO market that has dollar signs in everyones eyes, doesnt really spell "fun" anymore.

 

We need to band together an unify as a community of MMO players, to communicate to Developers "what we want to play", and more important to them "what we would PAY for"

 

please guys feel free to post whatever comes to mind in regards to anything ive said here, and PM me on the site if you have and ideas as well.

thanks for reading and thanks for your time.

Play EVE-Online , problem solved. :)

Thinking this a bit more,pretty sure theres many of you who played paper and pen role playing games,how did we do it back  then ?

threres no way to improve that ,sending a ticket to GM would be a lot worse than saying it to him or opening some thread in the web page.

Maybe it is time to go back to this genres roots,i say welcome  to live events right now.

Originally posted by unkillable9

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

May I ask why you didn't make that thread, instead of...this...one?

Play EVE-Online , problem solved. :)

i tried multpile times, 

just dont find clicking UI and watching somthing pew pew on auto attack my idea of immersing/ engaging combat in an MMO game... i tried

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by unkillable9

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

May I ask why you didn't make that thread, instead of...this...one?

Of course you can ask that, and ill answer the question.

the idea i am trying to propose would be more suited as a website, a full featured website, not a thread here where people will just shit all over my intentions.

i wanted to get feedback from you guys to see if you all thought it might be an idea worth investing in and eventually making.

Originally posted by unkillable9

We need to band together an unify as a community of MMO players, to communicate to Developers "what we want to play", and more important to them "what we would PAY for"

 

"Dear Developers, we as the gaming community are unified in all wanting different things.   Please design a game for us, thanks."

I'm not trying to be an ass, but the fact is that most of us want different things, most of which are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  For example, i want an MMO that has no PvP whatsoever.  I'm guessing there are tons of people that don't want the same thing.  We are not aligned and never will be.

Originally posted by unkillable9

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by unkillable9

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

May I ask why you didn't make that thread, instead of...this...one?

Of course you can ask that, and ill answer the question.

the idea i am trying to propose would be more suited as a website, a full featured website, not a thread here where people will just shit all over my intentions.

i wanted to get feedback from you guys to see if you all thought it might be an idea worth investing in and eventually making.

Sure.  How do you plan to pay for it?

Originally posted by Threatlevel0

Originally posted by jazz.be

 

Do I miss the point?

Where the was last place you remember seeing it?  

Is that a rethorical question? Meaning I completely missed the point?

To me there is no WE. And if there is no WE it's hard to answer expectations, or comminucate with one voice.

A lot of players are actually having fun.

Originally posted by unkillable9

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by unkillable9

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

May I ask why you didn't make that thread, instead of...this...one?

Of course you can ask that, and ill answer the question.

the idea i am trying to propose would be more suited as a website, a full featured website, not a thread here where people will just shit all over my intentions.

i wanted to get feedback from you guys to see if you all thought it might be an idea worth investing in and eventually making.

Why not here, an already established MMORPG forum?  "I want to get feedback from you guys here if I should make a new MMORPG website where you guys here won't shit on my intentions."     Admittedly, I giggled.    I'm not shitting on anything though.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by unkillable9

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by unkillable9

but my entire point is that it WOULD be less hard IMO to:

create a features list > Take polls and voting > and use math and other logical methods to begin to "break down" playstyles >to then gain insight into "what would be a great game to make (for that catagory of playstyle)

May I ask why you didn't make that thread, instead of...this...one?

Of course you can ask that, and ill answer the question.

the idea i am trying to propose would be more suited as a website, a full featured website, not a thread here where people will just shit all over my intentions.

i wanted to get feedback from you guys to see if you all thought it might be an idea worth investing in and eventually making.

Sure.  How do you plan to pay for it?

can you elaborate on the part where you said "sure" because i dont think making a website is that far out of an expense to someone like myself that is employed...with a job.

I believe we communicate what we want extremely well.

I believe the problem lies in the belief that every single feature we want is the features every single other person wants and that it is feasible to put all of these ideas into one game where every single gamer will be happy forever.

An example of how we have communicated what we want and got it:

penalty light death.

It was asked for by the community and it was delivered in games such as WoW.

But this comes to the other point I made.

Some gamers hate light death penalties. And they have communicated that. Hence games such as Darkfall listened.

And so now is the crux of the problem:

There cannot be a single game that contains both of those features in an organic way. 

Therefore, we are blessed and doomed at the same time. 

If enough people communicate what they want, they will receive it. But at the same time they will receive other features they didn't want; because people communicated a wish for those features as well. 

We will always have games which have a mix of features we want and we don't want. 

The magic happens when the game has more of the features we personally have asked for and less of the features people with differing opinions asked for.

Let me make this clear.

We got solo content in games because we communicated that.

We got group content in games because we communicated that.

We got accessible raids because we asked for it.

We got inaccessible raids because we asked for it.

We got dynamic content because we asked for it.

We got almost every feature in one game or another we have ever asked for.

But if you want ONE game that has every feature you have asked for, you need to make it yourself. And realize, every feature you ever wanted is not the feature every other gamer wants - and you will not monopolize the industry. You want harsh death penalties? Someone won't. You want solo content? Someone won't. You want intricate crafting? Someone else won't. Want f2p or b2p? someone else will want a sub.

At the end of the day, 

I think the lesson really should be; becareful what you ask for.

Originally posted by unkillable9

can you elaborate on the part where you said "sure" because i dont think making a website is that far out of an expense to someone like myself that is employed...with a job.

Okay,  presumably no one is stopping you, given that it's so cheap and easy.  Carry on?

Originally posted by jazz.be

Originally posted by Threatlevel0

Originally posted by jazz.be

 

Do I miss the point?

Where the was last place you remember seeing it?  

Is that a rethorical question? Meaning I completely missed the point?

To me there is no WE. And if there is no WE it's hard to answer expectations, or comminucate with one voice.

A lot of players are actually having fun.

No, sorry, that's just me really early in the morning.  

But I do believe there is a WE, there is always a WE.   You can't really justify saying there is no WE because to you there is no WE.    

Football fans for example are a WE.  They may not all like the same teams and be diametrically opposed  (wait...wtf diametrically....)  but they're a WE.   They cheer for different teams but they all enjoy the sport.   

Serouisly, morning, I'm not sure if that makes sense at all.