Originally posted by cybertrucker

I keep reading these types of posts, and it makes me glad I'm a casual gamer these days , on the nights I get to play its only for 2 to 3 hours, a few nights might be longer. Which means the game comes at a slower rate. A month and I'm only level 36. The game is amazing minus my first bad dungeon run. My 2nd run went slightly better but I still feel trash mobs need to be to be toned down.

If your looking for a good game granted it tips the park but the combat is amazing, and th graphics are actually IMHO better than GW2 I would recommend TERA. 

I recently reactivated my account to Tera to check it out.  The lower level areas seemed like ghost towns when I logged.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

I have often considered the idea that I have changed and the grind in the MMO no longer appeals to me. Or should I say, the reward is not worth the effort. Modern MMOs have simply started reducing the grind to get the same reward. This has really reduced the value of the reward to nearly nothing. As I have said before. I still remember the names of the epics I had at 70 in WoW. Not the case at 80 or 85. WoW still had something about it back at level 70. It was lost after that. Other games were great as well. I loved my AO. What made AO magical for me was gone when the went live with their Cash Shop. I also believe that GW2's own potential has been diminished by the Cash Shop. No matter how good it is, it would have been better without it. All these new "features" serve to undermine the value of what we play these games for. I've always beieved you value something more when it's earned. I never thought a successful MMO was one that gave people what they wanted. But rather pushed the player to what what level of effort he was willing to put in regardless of whether he liked it or not.

Anyway, my point is simply this. Have we changed, or has the genre? Probably both but with a strong bias to the 2nd.

Well, the genre isn't as new as it was 10+ years ago.  When it first cropped up, we were all so dazzled with the whole thing a lot of the shortcomings were overlooked.  I think that our expectations have evolved at a much higher rate than the design has.  Remember, these games take a long time to make.  So when they start making one, their design is marked in time.  

I think MMORPG players are extremely critical not only of games, but of themselves. 

 

Can't say you are wrong. Back in the 90's one of my all time favorite video games was Myst. Shortly thereafter, the market was flooded with 1st person puzzle solvers. Where are they now? So, yeah, it's possible this whole genre is dying it's own death. Where were you the 1st time you kissed? What about the 5th? 

Originally posted by cybertrucker

I keep reading these types of posts, and it makes me glad I'm a casual gamer these days , on the nights I get to play its only for 2 to 3 hours, a few nights might be longer. Which means the game comes at a slower rate. A month and I'm only level 36. The game is amazing minus my first bad dungeon run. My 2nd run went slightly better but I still feel trash mobs need to be to be toned down.

If your looking for a good game granted it tips the park but the combat is amazing, and th graphics are actually IMHO better than GW2 I would recommend TERA. 

I almost DL'd it the other night. Then I caught myself lol just waiting for DF:UW which I'm sure will be delayed another month for some reason or other.

I remember you making a very nasty insult towards people complaining/hating on GW2 around a week ago...I would have never thought to see this thread from you so soon. I expected it obviously, from all of you rabid defenders, just in another 2 months or so when all hope was lost and there was nothing left to cling to, similar to the SWTOR defenders.

Welcome to the club of people who feel the same way as you Zylaxx, GW2 has minigames to do and solo-tasks like world completion to finish but once you grow bored of that or finish...it really is over, there's no sense of purpose or community in GW2 that makes me want to stay.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by cybertrucker

If your looking for a good game granted it tips the park but the combat is amazing, and th graphics are actually IMHO better than GW2 I would recommend TERA. 

I almost DL'd it the other night. Then I caught myself lol just waiting for DF:UW which I'm sure will be delayed another month for some reason or other.

 Lol I actually went back to TERA about a week ago and have been enjoying myself surprisingly even after my guild fell apart during the release of GW2 and split everywhere, just decided to join a new guild and prep myself for 3v3 ranked arena most likely coming in December.

agree dude,

after almost 3 month play i havent finished my sotry line yet.

i got about 20% map unlocked.

i just got my first exotic weapon from dungeon.

when i look at people with legendary weapon or 100% map completion, i feel sad for my self but now i'm glad to play it slowly lol.

What i really wish is that so many people like the OP would realize that they are not in fact MMO players and basically stop playing them.  The reason the MMO industry is in the state it is is because of a huge influx of non MMO players playing MMOs and then bitching/pissing/moaning until the developers changed them to be more like single player rpg's.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

What i really wish is that so many people like the OP would realize that they are not in fact MMO players and basically stop playing them.  The reason the MMO industry is in the state it is is because of a huge influx of non MMO players playing MMOs and then bitching/pissing/moaning until the developers changed them to be more like single player rpg's.

Everyone starts somewhere, or, as an existing gamer, turns into roads that are dead-ends.

People that played MMORPG's in the good 'ol days know what makes longevity (or they think they do).  The OP is on a road to self discovery, no need to chastize the person.  Let them find it for themselves, wherever that may lead.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by bcbully

You hit the major reasons why a lot of people quit including myself. 

 

It looks like this for me DF:UW>Neverwinter>Teso while playing PS2 to pass the time and droping in to TSW here and there while it grows. 

 

ot- Geez dude why were so ...rude to us that have said we feel the same about the same things?

 

 

It happens here all the time.  I got reported, flamed, insulted etc. for being open about my feelings for the game.  People get all caught up in the hype like a heroin addict shooting up for the first time in a while. 

P.S. I don't even know how many people will see this post as so many told me they "blocked" me from their views.  Lol.

Don't you love how they have to tell you they blocked you, like you would lose any sleep over it.

As to the original post, I am not even 80 yet with my main, and already find that your post echoes much of how I feel. It is a great disappointment. I want to like, even love this game, but it starts burning hot, new and generated some enthusiasm from me. Fast forward a couple of months, I am level 70ish and I still feel like I am playing exactly the same game as I did in the beginning. Being level 70 feels the same as being level 10, and going back and forth has made even that part of progression feel meaningless to me.

People may say that I am playing it wrong, that I should be playing for fun. Problem is, the game just *isn't* that fun anymore, not to me anyway.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

What i really wish is that so many people like the OP would realize that they are not in fact MMO players and basically stop playing them.  The reason the MMO industry is in the state it is is because of a huge influx of non MMO players playing MMOs and then bitching/pissing/moaning until the developers changed them to be more like single player rpg's.

Ok, so someone being a little burned out means they are not MMO Gamers? Please clarify what makes the OP and people like the OP Non-MMO Gamers.... because to be entirely honest I agree with OP on many points, and I have not found a MMO to suit me in some time. Yet it has more to do with the current MMO's on the market moreso than me not being a MMO Gamer.

So Please, if you are going to make such broad sweeping statements, feel free to elaborate and enlighten us.

@Zylaxx IMHO, you made a big mistake buying GW2 if you taught that the PvE would make you play non stop for a couple of months. If you don't play any PvP, gw2 will become boring very quick. Sure atm the sPvP isn't the best because there's not a lot of maps and modes and the WvW isn't really stable because of all the server transferts, but it won't stay that way. You might find your style in Neverwinter, but I doubt TESO will fit your taste, as it will surely be focused a lot of the RvR.

@Karteli About the social aspect, for me, saying things like "we need tools or social structure" is really nonsense. What does it even mean? What kind of tools or social structure that other MMO's have that GW2 would need? It should be to the players to decide these kinds of things, not some in-game tools. Sure the game let you play alone without any group and you aren't punish, but it also doesn't prevent you from grouping. The problem doesn't come from the game at all, its the players and yet people don't even realise this.

About the class being rather bland, I agree to an extend. PvE wise, sure it is compared to most MMO but PvP wise, I think its needed to have a good overall balance. When you give too many choices to the players, it always create too many imbalances, people are starting to whine and the pvp start to suck. Sure its fun to be able to have 5-6 differents builds that are viable PvE wise, but PvP wise, it always resolve around the same 2 builds. Also, saying no one is important is true for the PvE and completely false for the PvP.

People should stop seing GW2 as a PvE game and realise that some of the "flaws" of the game comes from the players themselves and not the game.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by remyburke
For me, it took the removal of the trinity to make me realize how much it's needed in a themepark MMO. Dungeons in GW2 are a fucking mess.

I only did AC story mode once and I am still recovering from the PTSD of it....are they all that bad?  I have been toying with trying one again.

Nope msot of them are very easy, you jsut got to pick the right path to do.  Still alot of the encounters are nothing but a rez, release and return zerg strategy but not to the extent that AC was.  CoF is the easiest and can be ran with no deaths on a certain path.

Why such a lazy design?  Absolutely the worst thing you could do to the dungeon experience.

That's what happen when you play in PuGs or with people who doesn't know how to play or even learn how to properly do the dungeons. No offense but it's the truth. Its not the design that is lazy but the players. Some dungeons can be very challenging if you don't use this stupid "strat" of rez, release and return. I bet that most of the players don't even know how to use the combo mechanics properly.

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A theme park is a theme park...and theme parks are only going to last you a couple months.This is why I lol'ed when people were saying they were going to make GW2 their home for years to come.

People overhyped themselves soo much for this game that some are still crash landing till this day..

If you learn to control your personal hype level,you'll be able to land on your feet.

I've never done a review post, but this is the same boat I've been in for a while now.  I still have some pretty high praise for GW2, but as an MMO, it lacks the longevity that really makes this genre worthwhile.

People say that maybe this is exactly how it's supposed to be, because we're not 100% gone.  We'll still keep it installed, check out updates and events now and then, etc.. problem is, this leaves the gameworld deserted.  I don't care what their payment model is, an MMO with an empty gameworld is just not going to do well.  Lots of people might check it out, but not many are going to spend another dime on it, if it just seems like a bleak wasteland of NPCs fending for themselves.

MMOs need strong active populations, and this is where GW2 is failing.  Not everyone sees it, yet.  I don't know if they just haven't taken a good look recently, have their heads in the sand, or what.. but seriously.  Give it a few months.  ANet needs to do something ASAP, because before too long, too many of us will be 100% gone, and it'll just be too late.  

Originally posted by tank017

 

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A theme park is a theme park...and theme parks are only going to last you a couple months.This is why I lol'ed when people were saying they were going to make GW2 their home for years to come.

People overhyped themselves soo much for this game that some are still crash landing till this day..

 

If you learn to control your personal hype level,you'll be able to land on your feet.

I am still having great fun in GW2 and the community I play with is top notch. To each their own I suppose. I didn't hype myself up for it I just really enjoy playing it. It has some issues and needs to grow up a bit but it is my current mmo home and the best experience I have had in a mmo since my early days with DAoC.

Since we are all in our eulogy support group I'll add my two cents:  I knew the game was over for me in 20 levels.  MMOs are supposed to be about a journey of both world exploration and character  growth.  I knew after 10 levels GW2 was just wandering around pointlessly doing the same things repeatedly.

From the outside looking in it has great graphics, a decent story and some unique features but for me it is missing the things that make an MMO appealing to me the NEXT day!

It's off my computer and I am looking for the future.  Maybe the genre is just dying.  Or maybe it's just dying for me.     

Originally posted by Chaserz

Since we are all in our eulogy support group I'll add my two cents:  I knew the game was over for me in 20 levels.  MMOs are supposed to be about a journey of both world exploration and character  growth.  I knew after 10 levels GW2 was just wandering around pointlessly doing the same things repeatedly.

From the outside looking in it has great graphics, a decent story and some unique features but for me it is missing the things that make an MMO appealing to me the NEXT day!

It's off my computer and I am looking for the future.  Maybe the genre is just dying.  Or maybe it's just dying for me.     

I just hope companies are starting to get the hint that maybe they should steer away from theme parks already. SOE seems like they are starting to,atleast so they say.

Originally posted by Smitt3k

Originally posted by tank017

Goooooood ,Gooooooooood

 

Now its Aerowyn's turn  muahahahahahahaha

 

Seriously though,

 

A theme park is a theme park...and theme parks are only going to last you a couple months.This is why I lol'ed when people were saying they were going to make GW2 their home for years to come.

People overhyped themselves soo much for this game that people are still crash landing till this day..

 

If you learn to control your personal hype level,you'll be able to land on your feet.

 

I am still having great fun in GW2 and the community I play with is top notch. To each their own I suppose. I didn't hype myself up for it I just really enjoy playing it. It has some issues and needs to grow up a bit but it is my current mmo home and the best experience I have had in a mmo since my early days with DAoC.

 

GW2 will definitely keep a fanbase,no doubt about that.

Hell,Im still playing it,which surprises me... though it is a back up mmo for me,which is probably why im still enjoying it.Im not burning through the content at blinding pace like some people have.

Originally posted by Naral

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by bcbully

You hit the major reasons why a lot of people quit including myself. 

 

It looks like this for me DF:UW>Neverwinter>Teso while playing PS2 to pass the time and droping in to TSW here and there while it grows. 

 

ot- Geez dude why were so ...rude to us that have said we feel the same about the same things?

 

 

It happens here all the time.  I got reported, flamed, insulted etc. for being open about my feelings for the game.  People get all caught up in the hype like a heroin addict shooting up for the first time in a while. 

P.S. I don't even know how many people will see this post as so many told me they "blocked" me from their views.  Lol.

Don't you love how they have to tell you they blocked you, like you would lose any sleep over it.

As to the original post, I am not even 80 yet with my main, and already find that your post echoes much of how I feel. It is a great disappointment. I want to like, even love this game, but it starts burning hot, new and generated some enthusiasm from me. Fast forward a couple of months, I am level 70ish and I still feel like I am playing exactly the same game as I did in the beginning. Being level 70 feels the same as being level 10, and going back and forth has made even that part of progression feel meaningless to me.

People may say that I am playing it wrong, that I should be playing for fun. Problem is, the game just *isn't* that fun anymore, not to me anyway.

The whole concept around designing an MMO around the idea that fun is it's own reward is flawed. It's just not possible for most people. Once you get past the 1st few times doing something and have moved into repetition, it's over.  Which means, this game was never really designed to be a solid long term primary MMO. WE've all heard that before, but it's proving itself out. Sure there are those who aer still stimulated by what GW2 did do right and that's great. They have their game. I actually find it somewhat reassuring that there is still hope for the genre. THe rest of us just need a game that targets what stimulates us.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

I remember you making a very nasty insult towards people complaining/hating on GW2 around a week ago...I would have never thought to see this thread from you so soon. I expected it obviously, from all of you rabid defenders, just in another 2 months or so when all hope was lost and there was nothing left to cling to, similar to the SWTOR defenders.

 

Welcome to the club of people who feel the same way as you Zylaxx, GW2 has minigames to do and solo-tasks like world completion to finish but once you grow bored of that or finish...it really is over, there's no sense of purpose or community in GW2 that makes me want to stay.

 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by cybertrucker

If your looking for a good game granted it tips the park but the combat is amazing, and th graphics are actually IMHO better than GW2 I would recommend TERA. 

I almost DL'd it the other night. Then I caught myself lol just waiting for DF:UW which I'm sure will be delayed another month for some reason or other.

 Lol I actually went back to TERA about a week ago and have been enjoying myself surprisingly even after my guild fell apart during the release of GW2 and split everywhere, just decided to join a new guild and prep myself for 3v3 ranked arena most likely coming in December.

What server you on?