To me it's not a great game but it's not a bad game. It being a buy to play game it's very easy to just hit max level and forget about it. GW2 is the first buy to play mmo I've played, wait I bought GW1 just for the HoM items, so it's the second I've bought. I feel since it's a buy to play game, there's no subscription, so no real reason to make me play often. It feels like a console game in that respect for me. Hit max level, get exotic gear and you're done (legendary weapons just look diff so I don't see the point). If the game were a subscription based game, I probably wouldn't be playing it either, as it just doesn't have enough to do at max level to continue to play for years. I'd gladly pay a sub though if there were a lot to do in end game to keep me busy and wanting to play.

I just get the feeling I do with console games with GW2, beat it, move on....sadly.

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

 

The main thing is that the game never forces you do something repetitively. Once you get bored (which is a perfectly normal thing, us being humans rather than robots) you can simply switch to something you find interesting for the moment, whitout feeling penalized in any way.

Yeah, I spent last week grinding Orichalcum in Orr with my 80s...    Was about ready to stick a knife in my eye from the "dailies-like" grind.   Just brought back that hopeless-pointless 'treadmill' feeling I got out of six-months end-game raiding in LOTRO...

So I started doing jumping puzzles and exploration for a break.   Enjoyed the heck out of it.   Then I decided to get my 78 further advanced on her story, so I did that.   Then I decided to grind my cooking to 400 on one of my three chefs, but needed peaches...   So I had to explore an whole new area in the Charr zones to find the bulk peaches vendor...  

And this morning, I'm back to Orr and grinding Orichalcum because I want to, not because I have to...   

And the best part is, I didn't miss my once-a-week 2% chance to get the Shoulder Pads of 3% Better because I took time off from grinding, like would have happened in other games, because I wouldn't have the consumables necessary for a raid...

It was great.   Have fun without a penalty.  Have fun because I want to do something, rather than grinding-out something because it, like a job, is necessary....

I enjoy it its alot better then most mmorpgs. Alot of people like asian mmo's think they are more hardcore they will call gw2 casual and so on. Alot of WoW fan boys call it casual as well but it isnt. Game has only been on a few months they add new content and stuff. Its alot of fun more of the new type of mmorpg action mmo almost falls in the line of dragon nest. without having to do the same dungeons over and over again. very fast paced.

Only thing I dont like is there is no option for a xbox360 controller. Alot of people think it wouldnt work but they havent played dragon nest or champions online or anything like that this game could work. The aoe might be sorta hard but if they add a auto target to it should ease it up alittle bit. Then you would have to scroll on the ground to much but hey look at dragon age that worked pretty well.

Originally posted by Apropo

Originally posted by Cavod

Much like how your comments had nothing to do with what I was talking about despite having quoted me?

 

Well then I guess we're equal in each other's mind and can end our discussion here.  Have a good day!

 

Edit: It's so nice when forum disagreements can end in a civil way. ^_^b

One I didn't say I don't like the game infact I didn't reply quicker because I'm currently in game playing... I just realise where it is limited and I'm not simple minded enough to over simplify as you are doing.   My point had everything to do with what you were trying to say no matter how much of a jerk you were trying to passively aggresively be..

So no I don't see the connection you blanketly describe as it all fits into the same, your full of crap and are misguiding people with your over exaggerated views.  its as simple as that.   And no I don't ever agree to disagree there are facts and then there are good storys. 

 

I love guild wars 2, I'm not going to over simplify it where it is weak and I wont over exagerate it where its great, I'm blown away by a lot the game has to offer but please for the love of god stop the blanket over exagerated comparisons its really annoying for reasonable people to read such garbage.   BTW don't bother replying in hopes I'll read it you've been blocked because I've realized debating is pointless with you.

I'm not going to respond to the attacks you made to me, that's what the report button is for. 

There's two things I care to say after reading this.

1. Sorry, I made the mistake and put you in the group with your friends.  That was my reading error, thanks for pointing it out.

2. I gave simplistic answers to simplistic questions that weren't not asked by you.  You then found fault with me for doing so.   Nothing I said was false and you did not successfully refuting my simplistic, factual answers.  So you flamed me and blocked me for having an opnion different than yours.    =(

Originally posted by Masa1
It's worth buying if you compare it to any singleplayer game which lasts max 1 week. You might like GW2 for 2-3x longer time.

This is your typical opinion of some who only played the game in the shallowest way possible.   If he played it at all.  

Having played the story to the final dungeon from the Human and Norn paths as well as all the paths for all three orders (Vigil, Whispers, Priory) to at least level 76 I can tell you can't get the 'whole story' from one week's play.  Or one month's play.    I'm learning new things about the story from the Whispers/Sylvari play-through.   I'm learning things about story from my Asura/Priory play-through.  And I'm learning different new things from my human/priory play-through (the one at level 76).

Something I've seen, and virtually none of the haters have seen from their limited (if any) play-through is this game is hugely complex when it comes to the story.   There are a TON of threads that weave together.  

Each race has three sets of three choices on creation.   Guess what I've figured out.  Those threads weave in-and-out of the story for the entire game making each story different in both gross and subtle ways.   I saw things in my human story I didn't understand until I did my Sylvari story.  I saw things in my human story I didn't know where they came from until I did my Norn.   I saw things in my human story from the Norns that I didn't get in my Norn story, but I did experience in my daughter's Norn story when we teamed up.

The story in this game is a hell of a lot more complex than most people realize.    Even in the 70-level stories, which I'm on with my 3rd & 4th characters,  I'm still running into new things.  I'm still going "ah-ha!"    I'm still running into things I thought were just throw-away fillers, only to find out I was working on story-essentials.

But, if your rushed yourself to level 80 in the zerg-fest...   You missed it all...    And for those who did, I'm laughing at you.   You blew it.  You tossed away the most complex story MMO I have ever played, which includes TSW and SWTOR, for an end-game, power-tripping rush.

Now, is the game perfect?   No such thing.   All games are limited.  All games have bugs.  All games have trade-offs.   Those don't concern me unless they're crippling, like SWTOR's engine bug.   There is no such requirement that a game must be a certain way.   That's a false premise based solely on personal preferences and is not arguable or supportable in any rational fashion.

All that matters is that I've more than gotten my money's worth because I paid attention and played the game that is instead of trying to make it the game it's not -- the WoW Rush To End Game to Raid game.

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by Masa1
It's worth buying if you compare it to any singleplayer game which lasts max 1 week. You might like GW2 for 2-3x longer time.

 

This is your typical opinion of some who only played the game in the shallowest way possible.   If he played it at all.  

 

Having played the story to the final dungeon from the Human and Norn paths as well as all the paths for all three orders (Vigil, Whispers, Priory) to at least level 76 I can tell you can't get the 'whole story' from one week's play.  Or one month's play.    I'm learning new things about the story from the Whispers/Sylvari play-through.   I'm learning things about story from my Asura/Priory play-through.  And I'm learning different new things from my human/priory play-through (the one at level 76).

 

Something I've seen, and virtually none of the haters have seen from their limited (if any) play-through is this game is hugely complex when it comes to the story.   There are a TON of threads that weave together.  

 

Each race has three sets of three choices on creation.   Guess what I've figured out.  Those threads weave in-and-out of the story for the entire game making each story different in both gross and subtle ways.   I saw things in my human story I didn't understand until I did my Sylvari story.  I saw things in my human story I didn't know where they came from until I did my Norn.   I saw things in my human story from the Norns that I didn't get in my Norn story, but I did experience in my daughter's Norn story when we teamed up.

 

The story in this game is a hell of a lot more complex than most people realize.    Even in the 70-level stories, which I'm on with my 3rd & 4th characters,  I'm still running into new things.  I'm still going "ah-ha!"    I'm still running into things I thought were just throw-away fillers, only to find out I was working on story-essentials.

 

But, if your rushed yourself to level 80 in the zerg-fest...   You missed it all...    And for those who did, I'm laughing at you.   You blew it.  You tossed away the most complex story MMO I have ever played, which includes TSW and SWTOR, for an end-game, power-tripping rush.

 

Now, is the game perfect?   No such thing.   All games are limited.  All games have bugs.  All games have trade-offs.   Those don't concern me unless they're crippling, like SWTOR's engine bug.   There is no such requirement that a game must be a certain way.   That's a false premise based solely on personal preferences and is not arguable or supportable in any rational fashion.

 

All that matters is that I've more than gotten my money's worth because I paid attention and played the game that is instead of trying to make it the game it's not -- the WoW Rush To End Game to Raid game.

The gameplay would need to be a LOT more fun to even consider playing more than one character through max level and full story completion.  Also, "you played it wrong" is not a very good argument for anything.  People play it how they want to.  If it's not fun playing the way they want to play, it's still not fun.  Telling them they played the game incorrectly isn't going to magically change that.  It's also likely they wouldn't enjoy themselves playing the "right" way, otherwise they would probably have played that way from the start.

Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by MosesZD

Originally posted by Masa1
It's worth buying if you compare it to any singleplayer game which lasts max 1 week. You might like GW2 for 2-3x longer time.

 

This is your typical opinion of some who only played the game in the shallowest way possible.   If he played it at all.  

 

Having played the story to the final dungeon from the Human and Norn paths as well as all the paths for all three orders (Vigil, Whispers, Priory) to at least level 76 I can tell you can't get the 'whole story' from one week's play.  Or one month's play.    I'm learning new things about the story from the Whispers/Sylvari play-through.   I'm learning things about story from my Asura/Priory play-through.  And I'm learning different new things from my human/priory play-through (the one at level 76).

 

Something I've seen, and virtually none of the haters have seen from their limited (if any) play-through is this game is hugely complex when it comes to the story.   There are a TON of threads that weave together.  

 

Each race has three sets of three choices on creation.   Guess what I've figured out.  Those threads weave in-and-out of the story for the entire game making each story different in both gross and subtle ways.   I saw things in my human story I didn't understand until I did my Sylvari story.  I saw things in my human story I didn't know where they came from until I did my Norn.   I saw things in my human story from the Norns that I didn't get in my Norn story, but I did experience in my daughter's Norn story when we teamed up.

 

The story in this game is a hell of a lot more complex than most people realize.    Even in the 70-level stories, which I'm on with my 3rd & 4th characters,  I'm still running into new things.  I'm still going "ah-ha!"    I'm still running into things I thought were just throw-away fillers, only to find out I was working on story-essentials.

 

But, if your rushed yourself to level 80 in the zerg-fest...   You missed it all...    And for those who did, I'm laughing at you.   You blew it.  You tossed away the most complex story MMO I have ever played, which includes TSW and SWTOR, for an end-game, power-tripping rush.

 

Now, is the game perfect?   No such thing.   All games are limited.  All games have bugs.  All games have trade-offs.   Those don't concern me unless they're crippling, like SWTOR's engine bug.   There is no such requirement that a game must be a certain way.   That's a false premise based solely on personal preferences and is not arguable or supportable in any rational fashion.

 

All that matters is that I've more than gotten my money's worth because I paid attention and played the game that is instead of trying to make it the game it's not -- the WoW Rush To End Game to Raid game.

 

The gameplay would need to be a LOT more fun to even consider playing more than one character through max level and full story completion.  Also, "you played it wrong" is not a very good argument for anything.  People play it how they want to.  If it's not fun playing the way they want to play, it's still not fun.  Telling them they played the game incorrectly isn't going to magically change that.  It's also likely they wouldn't enjoy themselves playing the "right" way, otherwise they would probably have played that way from the start.

Well, you can't play an FPS like you do and RTS or an MMO - right? Even some MMO's play different than other MMO's - like TSW, TERA and, GW2. I mean they are different enough that you have play them different to get some enjoyment out of them. It is not spurious argument - it is the point that if you just run point to point, like you do in Rift in GW2, you miss so much of the game (same can be said of Rift in some respects - exploration).

People usually play a particular category of game in a certain way, nothing wrong with that. But, if you don't get some enjoyment out and others are, wouldn't you try to play a different way? I am just asking because you seem to think (I could be wrong here - ask my wife how many times I am wrong - heh)  playing styles are written in stone and they aren't or we wouldn't enjoy all the different types of games we have.

Originally posted by Theocritus
...What I am looking for is a long term game (like a few years) and it doesn't sound like GW2 is what I am looking for either.

Well good luck with that. A few people manage to pull that off--mostly those playing an MMO for the first time--but with all the MMOs available now you're hoping for something that used to happen back in the days when there were only 4 or 5 MMOs to choose from. Every single MMO released now, without exception, sees a huge population decline after the first couple of months... it's the age of the content locust.

I've adjusted my expectations accordingly. Think of MMOs as something you play for 3 months--it's still a better value than the single player games when you think about it... if it grabs your attention longer than that, bonus!

Best mmo, I'm a gathcraftsplorer (yeah you read that right) and I love this thing. I gather the stuff to get the mats for everything i usually sell alot in the TP which is not too shabby on getting me the money i need. Despite people complaining that it's region wide instead of server only the prices are nice, they give a good amount, there are still items that are harder to find that if you collect enough and sell in bulk they have a nice return on them. 

I love how I can get the gear i want to improve damage and not worry over running a dungeon a mil bazil gazillion times for currency to get it. I love how I can customize the look of my toon to make him look unique compared to others (no cookie cutters here) and I especially love how the talent trees aren't cookie cutter either you can give yourself what you need to survive. I have a rogue that I use for farming in Orr that has healing/cond removal/vigor/faster run speed/longer stealth for running around, Most of the time most mobs can't catch me (if they do it's not for long) and I use the trap and thieves guild to keep them busy as i run away. It works out well (use her just for farming because she can cover the map quickly.)

There are still some items to be addressed but I've been impressed at how fast they have been banning the reported bots on my server. They have specific hangouts and the next day after reporting them they are gone. They are working on balance issues for PVE they are working on problems with some scout classes not being as powerful as the AOE heavy plate classes in PVE and I'm seeing them take the problems seriously in their forums. One guy in the engineering forum is making a list of all of the requests for kit abilities to be re-evaluated on the engineer, and they are working on bugs like clockwork in this game, never seen so many updates every week in any other title (notably never in a subscription title). It's very nice.

just because my thing is gathcraftsploring doesn't mean everyone has to play this way, people in my guild are always doing things like running dungeons, doing pvp in wvw, running the dragon meta chains etc. it's got lots to do.

this game worth $60 bucks for sure.
I only played it for like 2 weeks then stopped, i just cant get into it, but it's a beautiful game regardless.

Originally posted by ImperialSun

Main things that are putting me off currently are:

Dead servers

Servers aren't dead at all. You don't get kicked into overflow servers every time you change zones. Servers are about as full as they're supposed to be.

Too much grind and fetch this and carry that and water these plants and stuff.

You'll still be doing your typical MMO quests even if they're disguised as events. You'll be killing mobs, escorting, defending, collecting, ... If you don't want to do any of those, then pass on GW2 and probably every other MMORPG for that matter.

Im told that all abilities are slottesd by around level 10 and the game does not change from that point on.

Not by level 10, more like 40 and you're not fully traited until level 80, but it's true that the majority of your buttons will be unlocked by level 10 (70%). Not that there is no more evolution past level 10, but they don't make you suffer first before you're allowed to have fun.

Whats the end game like?

Good question: grinding, buying or crafting exotics for WvW and sPvP. If your not interested in any form of PvP then you're left with achievement or minigames or whatever else suits your fancy. If nothing suits your fancy then you can level alts until you've seen all you want to see. If you're not interested in any of the above or any of the other classes or races then there's really not all that much to do once you hit cap.

Originally posted by ImperialSun

Hi all

 

Just wanted to see what the general feeling is towards GW2 these days?

I have been following the game tentaively for some time and am still undecided about taking the plunge. I did have lots of friends who left left their current MMOs to play GW2 however they have all since gone back to their old games and/or moved to new games since GW2 is allegedly dying already.

I am genuinely thinking of buying a copy of the game, the graphics look great and some of the game mechanic seem very interesting to me. The casual nature of the game would suit my play style and available game time.

Despite the very underwhelming financial performance confirmed in the recent NCSoft reports, depsite the stories of servers being ghost towns already and even despite a growing number of people claiming GW2 tanked quicker than SWTOR I am still interested in what this game has to offer...

So come on guys, restore my faith and give me a reason to go buy GW2 :)

Driz 

I think this game is worth the money for everyone. If you buy single player game for the same money, it's most probably not gong to gave the same amount of content and fun.

If you think about playing this game for years as an mmo, that really depends.... Many people love the game and many don't like it at all. I still think it's worth the try if anything.

As for why? It's a new game. It's beautiful and it will probably be able to captivate you for some hours... Like any new game.

I enjoy the game, but I can see people not enjoying it (some of these will sadly call GW2 a failure due to misplaced aggression), but yes, use the refer-a-friend trial.  It should give you enough experience for you to decide whether GW2 is for you.

Try before you buy, I always say.

If you treat it like your single player console games where you pay the box rpice, play for a while than quit..then yes it is worth it. But if you want to treat it as a MMO you won't be satisfied. Atleast that is what happened to me and the pattern i have been noticing here and on official forums.

It is a good online action game but a bad MMO.

1. Don not pay attention to all those flame-threads on these forums. They are full of lies.

2. Best MMO at the moment.

3. Pros:

• Big beautiful world for avid explorers.
• Fast paced combat system.
• A lot of cool features to individualize your character and playing style.
• Best PvP-experience ever in WvW.
• Casuals are not punished, because there is no hardcore item-progression.
• Quest-system and all the other little PvE-features are fun.
• A lot of nice ideas that make the overall game-experience much better than in other MMOs.
• All mobs can kill you and there are even stronger mobs, that always require a group.

• 5 man instances are ok, but could have been better.
• No classical instanced raiding like in WoW.
• No mounts.
• Crafting is fantastic compared to WoW, but compared to Vanguard it's a joke.
• If you do not like WvW and want to play an MMO 35 hours a week, you will not like GW2.