Originally posted by Purutzil

Originally posted by sammandar

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Activision Blizzard took an abrupt nosedive Wednesday morning too - what shall we conclude, that WoW is doomed? Heard this for 8 years now, still makes me laugh since the very first day.

Everyone is taking a hit from the global econimic situation; from west to east and north to south. I was just reading an article on a Spanish news website about how toy companies will be taking a hit this holiday season; people are feeling the crunch and entertainment is not high on the priority list.

To assume that somehow NCsoft's underperformance is indicative of an isolated downward spiral apart from the global economic downturn we're all experiencing I think is at the very least premature, if not completely incorrect.

I'm not a fanboi or trying to justify/defend NCsoft. I owe them no loyalty, I'm just a gamer who enjoys playing games.

I agree with The_Korrigan, you need more than just economic numbers from one quarter to argue the doom of any game.

Dismissing the false notion that Activation blizzard nosedived, truthfully you can take 1 countries numbers and make a general judgement. Lets face it Gw2 AND Blade and Souls both didn't fair as great as they would of expected. As such, the company's stocks fell greatly. How great it fell and the ammount it changed being related to the state of the economy to enhance that drop can be argued, but in the end it just shows both titles combined failed to deliver the numbers expected no matter how you like to spin it.

If you wan't to argue numbers, out of the supposed 10 million wow players, how many have purchased MoP? In both cases, Blizzard and NCsoft, I believe it's too soon to assume any level of failure. Funny thing, is, you're the one spinning numbers, all I'm asking is that people not jump to conclusions based on spin. If NCsoft continues to underperform through the coming fiscal year, then that's another matter. That is why it takes 3 or more consecutive quarters to confirm a recession, not one.

This is not to blame on GW2 like bc is trying to pin it on. We know it sold well and according to expectations. They seemed to have higer expectations for other titles. We also know that with the election results there are bound to be shakes felt on the market. Our market was also down yesterday.

Makes you kind of wonder all this research early in the morning late at night during the middle of the day, for a damn game you don't even play. 

Lol well I guess someone has to keep everyone entertained.

Originally posted by sammyeli

Makes you kind of wonder all this research early in the morning late at night during the middle of the day, for a damn game you don't even play. 

Lol well I guess someone has to keep everyone entertained.

Yup

Originally posted by RefMinor
Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

Originally posted by Amana
I'm reopening this thread. No politics discussion is allowed on these forums. 

 The pray tell...why are you reopening the thread? SInce by nature talking markets worldwide will always lead to politics?

( Not trying to be an issue, just how I see it)

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by RefMinor
Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

GW2 sales strong after release in the Western market.

GW2 sales dominate NCSoft game charts.

"GW2 sales exceed expectations" according to NCSoft

"Stable item sales" according to NCSoft

NCSoft stock drops because overall companies revenue expectation where not met.

How's this topic related to GW2 again? What are you trying to imply?

_{I sense some desperation in the air...}

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by RefMinor
Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

Clearly by your posts we can make the distinction however understanding you need to post here to help you sleep at night is mind boggling =)

I don't know what you mean by that, I haven't made any negative posts about the game as I haven't played it, not my cup of tea.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by RefMinor
Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

Oh, I doubt haters can see it is doing better than NCSoft thought it would. That last underlined phrase was from NCSoft.

Haters are just as blind also.

Originally posted by trenshod
NCSofts success as a whole will play a big factor in how well GW2 will do in years to come. Ask those that play/played City of Heroes. I woudn't imagine things tanking but who knows.

If GW2 does well and NCSoft continues it's dive - it might sell their best assets to make end's meat - it does happen.

THere are too many different scenarios and frankly right now, I don't have the time.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Did you notice all stocks plunged yesterday as a result of the US election and continuing uncertainty in Europe?  (Dow went down 313 points, S&P and Nasdaq also pllunged)

 

This.  The world economy is about to hit another big recession. It's not looking good for any companies right now.

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Originally posted by botrytis

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Originally posted by RefMinor

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Originally posted by sammyeli

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Originally posted by RefMinor Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

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Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

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I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

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Oh, I doubt haters can see it is doing better than NCSoft thought it would. That last underlined phrase was from NCSoft.

 

Haters are just as blind also.

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Do you really think they would come out and say "uh yeah, our much anticipated and hyped new release did worse than expected, but everything is just fine ...nothing to worry about."

GW2 releasing at the same time NCSoft's stock drops could be a coincidence though. Yeah, just a coincidence.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

GW2 sales strong after release in the Western market.

GW2 sales dominate NCSoft game charts.

"GW2 sales exceed expectations" according to NCSoft

"Stable item sales" according to NCSoft

 

 

NCSoft stock drops because overall companies revenue expectation where not met.

 

How's this topic related to GW2 again? What are you trying to imply?

_{I sense some desperation in the air...}

 

 

Sensed it about 2-3 months ago.

To be fair he hates NCSOFT as well, but you'd think this would be in general discussion.

Originally posted by RizelStar

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

GW2 sales strong after release in the Western market.

GW2 sales dominate NCSoft game charts.

"GW2 sales exceed expectations" according to NCSoft

"Stable item sales" according to NCSoft

 

 

NCSoft stock drops because overall companies revenue expectation where not met.

 

How's this topic related to GW2 again? What are you trying to imply?

_{I sense some desperation in the air...}

 

 

Sensed it about 2-3 months ago.

 

To be fair he hates NCSOFT as well, but you'd think this would be in general discussion.

 

You are right about that.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by botrytis

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Originally posted by RefMinor

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Originally posted by sammyeli

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Originally posted by RefMinor Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

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Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

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I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

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Oh, I doubt haters can see it is doing better than NCSoft thought it would. That last underlined phrase was from NCSoft.

 

 

Haters are just as blind also.

 

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Of course NCSoft said it did better than expected.

 

Do you really think they would come out and say "uh yeah, our much anticipated and hyped new release did worse than expected, but everything is just fine ...nothing to worry about."

GW2 releasing at the same time NCSoft's stock drops could be a coincidence though. Yeah, just a coincidence.

Its not GW2 fault, its B&S. B&S( a subcription game of almost 20$ a month) in 3 months of release and opened in china did LESS that GW2 in 1 month. I can assure you B&S was as anticipated in asia as GW2 is anticipated in the west if not more.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by sammyeli

Originally posted by RefMinor
Some desperate defence going on here, follow the money.

Its true, game is a flop and stocks shows how much of a flop one game out of the many Nexon/NCSoft have can just plunge the stock into oblivion.

I didn't say it was a flop, it's just not as big a success as expected, I doubt members of the hype train can make that distinction though.

It might have been that their expectations were higher, although the game sold very well and we know that. It might also be that they had higher expectations from B&S since that one didn't sell as well. Of course in the realm of forumland people look to justify their agenda around the data.

This could have definately been the making of lower than expected revenue from GW2, but we know that the game sold well so its a bit hard to imagine that.