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11/06/12 2:26:11 PM#81
Originally posted by negativf4kk +1 here. People complained about Saboteurs in Rift, at the beginning being OP, although rather than learn how to snare and kill the Sabs, people whined until they got nerfed into oblivion.
A.Net will tweak things, but not in the way people will want and that is because they are looking at the actual data from the server battles and not complaints form whiners.  "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time." Abraham Lincoln |
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11/06/12 2:33:37 PM#82
Originally posted by negativf4kk It's always popular to conclude that devs can't reach the same conclusions independently. Fortunately, they have access to actual data. |
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11/06/12 4:23:05 PM#83
Anytime anyone cries "OP!" I ask them to perform one simple check. Play the class/character/champion/whatever that you think is OP and try to faceroll players using what you believe to be the OP tactics. Almost inevitably, you will find players countering your moves very effectively. Then stop and consider the tactics they used to counter you. Practice those tactics, learn from this experience, and become a better player. You're never going to improve if you don't first look to see what you could have done better yourself. Characters occasionally need to be retuned a little, but they are almost never as broken as those who claim they are OP say they are. |
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11/06/12 4:27:09 PM#84
Originally posted by Pivotelite I agree. By default, Thieves themselves aren't really OP. It's the rendering issue. It's already a problem in WvWvW for NON stealthing classes. |
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11/06/12 5:03:17 PM#85
Originally posted by botrytis Aion had Spirit Masters. Swtor had Scoundrels. Point is- all games had and will have pvp class that have slight advantage. And at the end nerf to the point of unplayabulity. Problem with GW2 is that u dont nessesary have to lvl your char to pvp. On positive note Anet doesnt pay to much attention to the nood cries.
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11/07/12 5:18:34 AM#86
Originally posted by wireyankee I always notice that too. :D It crops up in every MMO I've ever played. |
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11/07/12 2:09:38 PM#87
a "thief" pluralized (more than one) is "thieves," not "thiefs"
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11/07/12 3:09:19 PM#88
As a cloth wearer, I admit I dont like thieves at all. But they arent OP nor do they ruin WvW. If a thief is caught with low initiative, or is over extended, they are dropped easily. I suggest practicing your response to a thief's opening salvo. Many thieves thrive on people panicing when they appear and take out a significant portion of your health pool quickly. Measuring your response afterwards will put many thieves in an uncomfortable position. They will blow all thier CD's in order to regain the initiative. One tip i can share is to assign a hot key to your "about face" command. Use it so they cant land cloak and dagger and other abilities. People always complain about thieves/rogues in every MMO, it's the same people who dont take the time to learn thier class and overcome what the thief brings to the table. Cry more.
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11/07/12 5:54:56 PM#89
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Yamota
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Joined: 10/05/03
There's a beast within every man that stirs when you put a sword in his hand |
11/07/12 6:00:46 PM#90
Originally posted by Shatter30
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11/07/12 6:04:18 PM#91
Originally posted by Yamota LOL...... binding your keys to your toaster and your cat is pretty pro.
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Caliburn101
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Joined: 3/30/11
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein |
11/08/12 2:59:13 AM#92
Originally posted by Maephisto Yes - precisely this. Anyone who can watch this and claim Thieves are 'fine' is one of two things - neither of which I need to spell out for anyone with an IQ of more than 90. |
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11/08/12 3:22:45 AM#93
Originally posted by Maephisto Yes but that thief wont do much damage, I checked his traits out and its all there in order to do that 'perma' stealth. If an enemy walks into his field his stealth will break with revealed buff also as its really hard to avoid them with HS. I think the CnD perma is better in that case if you are skilled enough to time it well. On the other hand I can't wait to see if warriors also get nerfed since they have same high damage thiefs do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6VrSvyuHg Generally it's more a global problem right now with quickness that makes the damage insanely fast on a few classes. 100 blades is the same as PW before the nerf.
The only thing another thief nerf will do is bring the masses to sd perma daze spam. If the thieves gets too nerfed and they hurt my current build (not cookiecutter backstab) I'll probably reroll to a warrior, more damage and less QQers. :> |
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11/08/12 7:05:42 AM#94
Pfft 100b... dual axe whirling axe ftw (not rooted).
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11/08/12 7:07:52 AM#95
Technically you can't but with the game's renderring/culling issue, thieves can appear stealth permanently if they cycle stealth.
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11/08/12 7:27:08 AM#96
IS it weird to anyone else that the only people that ever defend the class in question of being OP are the people that play said OP class. Strange that everyone else thinks they are OP but they themselves do not. Must be a fluke.
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11/08/12 7:31:55 AM#97
Originally posted by LadyEuphei Thief is not OP Sincerly greetings, - Elementalist  Games im waiting for: City of Steam, Divinity:Original Sin
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Lazarus71
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Joined: 9/22/04
I play the games I like and don't dwell on the ones I don't, complicated philosophy I know.... |
11/08/12 7:35:13 AM#98
I have a lvl 50 thief and I honestly can't say wether they are OP in PVP or not seeing as I have only taken him into PVP for about 10 minutes in that whole time. I only PVE with my thief and I can say I don't use stealth at all. I run daggers/shortbow exclusively and might be stealthed five percent of the total time I have played him and that's probably high. I will say though that the one time I did go into PVP i was getting almost instakilled by a stealth Thief so I am sure there is something to what the OP and others are saying. Leave it to me to randomly pick a class and play it as my main and it be the class everyone is bitching about lol.  |
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11/08/12 8:40:43 AM#99
Originally posted by LadyEuphei Well, I don't think it's that weird actually. If most people who say a class is OP would actually try to play the class before they said it's OP, I'm pretty sure we would see less of these post saying how " <insert any class> is OP once they realize that they have the good and bad sides as much as any other classes... One could say that pretty much any class has it's OP moments (depending on build/situations,etc.).. I just think that thieves are the black sheep of the family (always been..) because of the stealth mechanic.. people feel it's "cheap" and rage because of it (especially when combined with any form of backstab), but we have to keep in mind that stealth is a thief's main form of defense. After all they are a melee class, yet don't have durability.. so they need ways to come in and out without getting too much attention. -- For the record, I don't think that "Thiefs ruin PvP/WvW for every other class..." as stated by the OP. (is'nt that the mesmer's job?! hehe j/k! ;) ) I'm not saying thieves should'nt be looked into, they have their issues and also need some tweaks (FoTM is always a good indication of some kind of problem with a specific class/build), but I hope ANet sticks to their own agenda (based on actual data) and not on all the whinning that goes on forums, because if they react based on this kind of feedback, once thieves are done, you can be sure they will end up doing the same to any class.. The "never ending nerf cycle" (remember DAoC) !
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11/08/12 9:10:37 AM#100
Originally posted by timeraider its not op but with several bug exploits used on that class they will fix and nerf things get used to it FOR HONOR, FOR FREEDOM.... and for some money. |
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