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  User Deleted
11/08/12 3:40:45 AM#101

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

  halflife25

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11/08/12 4:19:10 AM#102
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Sorry bro you can not have it both ways. As long as it suits the fans and make GW2 look more successful it is comapred regularly to games like Rift, Swtor, Tera etc.

But it can not be compared to Blade and Soul? well because in this case numbers don't look impressive. Yeah allrighty then lol

  Loke666

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11/08/12 4:31:19 AM#103

Uhm, how did they count?

Do NC Soft count in 100% of GW2s earning, or are ANETs cut taken away first? Because with the number of known sales (about 2,5 million copies) and the earnings (42 million bucks) they only earned 10 bucks on each copy and that seems pretty low to me. Sure, the stores will get their share of any physical copy but that would be half of the $60 price, and many copies were sold directly from ANET. Add the gems that at least got in some money and the numbers seems odd to me.

If ANET on the other hand take half of the cut it would make more sense, $20 per case is far more likely.

 

  Caliburn101

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11/08/12 4:40:09 AM#104
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Sorry bro you can not have it both ways. As long as it suits the fans and make GW2 look more successful it is comapred regularly to games like Rift, Swtor, Tera etc.

But it can not be compared to Blade and Soul? well because in this case numbers don't look impressive. Yeah allrighty then lol

It those comparing absolute figures of two entirely different games - with largely different availability (3 months/1 month) and payment profile (sales & subs/pre-sales).

Comparing the two and drawing any conclusions is entirely illogical at this point - the aggregate Q3/Q4 figures will be far more indicative.

Now - the figures at that point may support your game bashing opinion, or it may more support those who love the game.

But please don't obfuscate the issue - Korrigan was right to say it's an apples and oranges situation, and you crying 'bias' is actually a classic case of projection, not the insightful criticism you pass it off as.

Wait for Q4 and then crow if you are correct. Even better - you should 'eat crow' if you are wrong - but whatever - at least call it when it can credibly be called and not before.

  halflife25

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11/08/12 4:51:18 AM#105
Originally posted by Caliburn101
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Sorry bro you can not have it both ways. As long as it suits the fans and make GW2 look more successful it is comapred regularly to games like Rift, Swtor, Tera etc.

But it can not be compared to Blade and Soul? well because in this case numbers don't look impressive. Yeah allrighty then lol

It those comparing absolute figures of two entirely different games - with largely different availability (3 months/1 month) and payment profile (sales & subs/pre-sales).

Comparing the two and drawing any conclusions is entirely illogical at this point - the aggregate Q3/Q4 figures will be far more indicative.

Now - the figures at that point may support your game bashing opinion, or it may more support those who love the game.

But please don't obfuscate the issue - Korrigan was right to say it's an apples and oranges situation, and you crying 'bias' is actually a classic case of projection, not the insightful criticism you pass it off as.

Wait for Q4 and then crow if you are correct. Even better - you should 'eat crow' if you are wrong - but whatever - at least call it when it can credibly be called and not before.

It is not about whther he is wrong or right but how things are twisted by fans to suit their own agenda.

If you read my post again i am not supporting the comparison but simply highlighting the hypocricy when GW2 has been compared to Rift, SWTOR, Tera and other themepark MMO in sales, retention and over all success.

I was never in favor of such comparisons doesn't mean i can't point out the obvious double standards.

If numbers were impressive regardless of when and where Blade and Soul was released, i doubt he would even bother to make a post.

  lifeordinary

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Joined: 7/05/12
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11/08/12 4:59:12 AM#106
Originally posted by Caliburn101
 

It those comparing absolute figures of two entirely different games - with largely different availability (3 months/1 month) and payment profile (sales & subs/pre-sales).

Comparing the two and drawing any conclusions is entirely illogical at this point - the aggregate Q3/Q4 figures will be far more indicative.

Now - the figures at that point may support your game bashing opinion, or it may more support those who love the game.

But please don't obfuscate the issue - Korrigan was right to say it's an apples and oranges situation, and you crying 'bias' is actually a classic case of projection, not the insightful criticism you pass it off as.

Wait for Q4 and then crow if you are correct. Even better - you should 'eat crow' if you are wrong - but whatever - at least call it when it can credibly be called and not before.

Why would he eat a crow? not like he is supporting the comparisons here? he is simply pointing out the double standard and yes GW2 has always been compared to all the recent themepark releases regardless of their release date and GW2 fans have tried their best to put those games down with constant chest beating.

So when suddenly GW2 numbers don't look impressive the comparisons are forbidden well because suddenly logic, prudence and reasonable thinking has entered the room which was somehow missing for all this time.

Only because someone is pointing out the hypocricy and irony of posts like theese doesn't mean they support the idea.

  Rimmersman

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11/08/12 5:00:34 AM#107
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Caliburn101
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Sorry bro you can not have it both ways. As long as it suits the fans and make GW2 look more successful it is comapred regularly to games like Rift, Swtor, Tera etc.

But it can not be compared to Blade and Soul? well because in this case numbers don't look impressive. Yeah allrighty then lol

It those comparing absolute figures of two entirely different games - with largely different availability (3 months/1 month) and payment profile (sales & subs/pre-sales).

Comparing the two and drawing any conclusions is entirely illogical at this point - the aggregate Q3/Q4 figures will be far more indicative.

Now - the figures at that point may support your game bashing opinion, or it may more support those who love the game.

But please don't obfuscate the issue - Korrigan was right to say it's an apples and oranges situation, and you crying 'bias' is actually a classic case of projection, not the insightful criticism you pass it off as.

Wait for Q4 and then crow if you are correct. Even better - you should 'eat crow' if you are wrong - but whatever - at least call it when it can credibly be called and not before.

It is not about whther he is wrong or right but how things are twisted by fans to suit their own agenda.

If you read my post again i am not supporting the comparison but simply highlighting the hypocricy when GW2 has been compared to Rift, SWTOR, Tera and other themepark MMO in sales, retention and over all success.

I was never in favor of such comparisons doesn't mean i can't point out the obvious double standards.

If numbers were impressive regardless of when and where Blade and Soul was released, i doubt he would even bother to make a post.

Seems to me that some fans who have been stating that GW2 is leading are now in denial. NCSoft have released the info and it does not lie, fact is it's from the horse mouth.

Obssesion leads people to not see the glaring truth that GW2 is an okay game but no where near the titan they believe it to be. I say to these people, go play your game and stop  wishing that GW2 would be king because it's never going to happen.

  RizelStar

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Joined: 8/12/11
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11/08/12 5:16:08 AM#108
Originally posted by Rimmersman
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Caliburn101
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Sorry bro you can not have it both ways. As long as it suits the fans and make GW2 look more successful it is comapred regularly to games like Rift, Swtor, Tera etc.

But it can not be compared to Blade and Soul? well because in this case numbers don't look impressive. Yeah allrighty then lol

It those comparing absolute figures of two entirely different games - with largely different availability (3 months/1 month) and payment profile (sales & subs/pre-sales).

Comparing the two and drawing any conclusions is entirely illogical at this point - the aggregate Q3/Q4 figures will be far more indicative.

Now - the figures at that point may support your game bashing opinion, or it may more support those who love the game.

But please don't obfuscate the issue - Korrigan was right to say it's an apples and oranges situation, and you crying 'bias' is actually a classic case of projection, not the insightful criticism you pass it off as.

Wait for Q4 and then crow if you are correct. Even better - you should 'eat crow' if you are wrong - but whatever - at least call it when it can credibly be called and not before.

It is not about whther he is wrong or right but how things are twisted by fans to suit their own agenda.

If you read my post again i am not supporting the comparison but simply highlighting the hypocricy when GW2 has been compared to Rift, SWTOR, Tera and other themepark MMO in sales, retention and over all success.

I was never in favor of such comparisons doesn't mean i can't point out the obvious double standards.

If numbers were impressive regardless of when and where Blade and Soul was released, i doubt he would even bother to make a post.

Seems to me that some fans who have been stating that GW2 is leading are now in denial. NCSoft have released the info and it does not lie, fact is it's from the horse mouth.

Obssesion leads people to not see the glaring truth that GW2 is an okay game but no where near the titan they believe it to be. I say to these people, go play your game and stop  wishing that GW2 would be king because it's never going to happen.

Interesting...very interesting.

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  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
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11/08/12 5:29:03 AM#109

Not much you can make from that number tbh.
Its all speculation and no proof on how its calculated.

Arenanet cut's taken off when presenting NCsoft share ?
Does this all copy's sold including Digital sales directly from Anet's website ?
Does it include all the gems and ingame shop sales ?

I cannot believe that, these numbers aint right.
45 million isnt presenting the 100% 2/ 2.5 million box sales so how and what or wich share was taken into account when presenting this qaurter :P ?

Love these haters inhere already saying TOLD YOU BTP FAILZZZ GW2 FAILZ LOLOLOLZ.

2.5 mil x 60 = 150 mil
Argh it doesnt make sence at all -_-

  User Deleted
11/08/12 5:34:21 AM#110

The only important thing is that this only concerns one month of GW2 post release. No comparison is possible for now. Not to mention digital sales where blocked for like 2 weeks to ensure server stability. The 4th quarter numbers will be way more indicative and interesting, for now, this is just fodder for people who like to twist numbers, nothing more.

Originally posted by RizelStar

Interesting...very interesting.

Yeah, they talk about "hypocrisy", tell us to "go play our game", and then they come daily post on the forum of a game they dislike/hate, often belittling or even insulting its players in the process...

As you said, interesting.

  Prenho

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Posts: 306

11/08/12 5:39:12 AM#111
I miss Lineage 1, NCSoft should have turned L1 into F2P in US before shutting down US serves. The only thing I can do now is waiting for Lineage Eternal(L1 sequel).
  lifeordinary

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11/08/12 5:40:08 AM#112

People talk about hypocricy because you guys seem to be oblivious to it. I am still playing GW2 but that doesn't mean i have to like the fanbase too. 

GW2 gets a lot of flak not because it is a bad game but because of its defensive fans. So yeah 'interesting' indeed that somehow disliking the fan base automatically translates to hating 'GW2'. Sorry but all of you ain't that special. ;)

  saurus123

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11/08/12 5:45:56 AM#113
Originally posted by Xasapis
Looks like Blade & Soul is doing better than GW2, considering that it's only available in Korea.

and you know that korea have way more gamers playing mmos than Europe and US together? :P

 

would like to see data when gw2 come out in korea

  Calerxes

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11/08/12 6:03:04 AM#114

Originally posted by Loke666

Uhm, how did they count?

Do NC Soft count in 100% of GW2s earning, or are ANETs cut taken away first? Because with the number of known sales (about 2,5 million copies) and the earnings (42 million bucks) they only earned 10 bucks on each copy and that seems pretty low to me. Sure, the stores will get their share of any physical copy but that would be half of the $60 price, and many copies were sold directly from ANET. Add the gems that at least got in some money and the numbers seems odd to me.

If ANET on the other hand take half of the cut it would make more sense, $20 per case is far more likely.

 

Originally posted by Mothanos

Not much you can make from that number tbh.
Its all speculation and no proof on how its calculated.

Arenanet cut's taken off when presenting NCsoft share ?
Does this all copy's sold including Digital sales directly from Anet's website ?
Does it include all the gems and ingame shop sales ?

I cannot believe that, these numbers aint right.
45 million isnt presenting the 100% 2/ 2.5 million box sales so how and what or wich share was taken into account when presenting this qaurter :P ?

Love these haters inhere already saying TOLD YOU BTP FAILZZZ GW2 FAILZ LOLOLOLZ.

2.5 mil x 60 = 150 mil
Argh it doesnt make sence at all -_-

 

OK this is what it says in blue at the top of the report, I'll highlight the relevant part, this is gross sales numbers not profit but income and companies do not get $60 a sale unless its from their own digital store, GW2 was also available digitally from resellers so that has to be taken into account with also Cash Shop sales but the 2 million sales number could be right on these figures but that is highly dependent on how much money is made from the CS. The quarter 4 (Oct, Nov, Dec) report will be verey interesting to see if there was sustained sales and how well the cash shop is doing.

 

Consolidated Sales Breakdown by Game (Excluding Royalties)
NCSOFT Corp. & Subsidiaries
(January 2012~ September 2012)

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  DMKano

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11/08/12 7:45:22 AM#115
Originally posted by Calerxes

 

 The quarter 4 (Oct, Nov, Dec) report will be verey interesting to see if there was sustained sales and how well the cash shop is doing.

 

The rumor on the street is that GW2 underperformed, it didn't do terribly but it didn't hit NCSofts target figures. As you said the next quarter is going to be more telling, and I don't see it changing much for the better. Again take this with a grain of salt, but Austin is a very small city and there are lots of former NCSofters around.

It's a shame because GW2 is a AAA game that is deserving of better sales, Anet has done their job, it sucks when the product doesn't sell as well as it should.

  Dibdabs

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11/08/12 7:52:24 AM#116
Originally posted by Purutzil

Aion doesn't surprise me much though, people seem to dismiss it but its HUGE over in asia.

They're the only type of gamers who love MASSIVE grind and shallow play.

  Mahavishnu

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11/08/12 7:55:01 AM#117
If this numbers are true, I would say, this is not enough.

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

  DMKano

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11/08/12 7:55:24 AM#118
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by Purutzil

Aion doesn't surprise me much though, people seem to dismiss it but its HUGE over in asia.

They're the only type of gamers who love MASSIVE grind and shallow play.

I must be Asian lol, as I enjoyed Aion a lot. Have nothing but fond memories of that game, it was awesome for me.

  bcbully

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11/08/12 8:01:42 AM#119
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

To those pretending Blade and Soul does better than GW2, you're comparing a sub based game during 3 months with a B2P game released since only one month. Apples and Oranges. But considering who posted such comparisons, the misinformation is not surprising.

Massively.com made the comparison... Are accusing massively of misinformation too?

  ice-vortex

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11/08/12 8:01:58 AM#120
Originally posted by Mahavishnu
If this numbers are true, I would say, this is not enough.

2~ million sales for the first month isn't enough for what exactly?

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