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  Creslin4321

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11/07/12 1:10:59 PM#21
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

They only grossed a little over $40 million on GW2 through the end of September (basically the first month of release)?  That doesn't sound right.  That means they only average $20 per box, which includes all the digital sales which should be far closer to the retail price.

 

AS far as GW2 goes, the improtant thing is to see how much they gross from the gem store every month.

 Yeah I'm a bit confused by the report as well.  I can't imagine that the variable cost to sell a copy of GW2 is 66% of the sales price lol :).

I think we are probably not understanding the report correctly.

  Calerxes

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11/07/12 1:11:55 PM#22
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by Zeus.CM
]By that time, expasion will come that require full box price.


Really? And when is the expansion coming out? Because you obviously know.

 


$42 million would mean less than 700,000 copies sold. And thats not including any gems sales.

But also didnt see when the period ended. So, this might only account for a couple days.


But from the press release and subsequent sales data we can figure that GW2 is definitely over 2.5 million in sales.


With that in mind the 4th quarter will obviously be much bigger for Guild Wars 2. So I cant wait for the posts exclaiming "see! GW2 is growing! Haters and trolls proven wrong!"


We wont get a hint at how GW2 will perform long term until 1st quarter 2013 and 2nd quarter 2013.

 

Ncsoft does not get $60 a box how many times is this mistake going to happen? and the period ended Sept 30th just divide 12 by 3 and count the months to get which quarter it is, its that simple.

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  Rimmersman

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11/07/12 1:13:20 PM#23
Originally posted by erictlewis

mmm those numbers just don't look right, if that is so they they best hope that gem sales is where the money is at.

 

So NCSOFT tell it like it is and the numbers don't look right to you lol, sorry but this is from the lions mouth. I would not worry though.

  RefMinor

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11/07/12 1:17:01 PM#24
Originally posted by Dalano
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
Doesn't look very impressive for a super anticipated AAA mmo that just launched. Being B2P means that it has already returned most of its revenue to the company. I mean, it's less money than AION made on the first quarter this same year. I'm looking forward to see the next quarter, when no more boxes are being sold and they'll only make profit from those that still keep playing and use use the gemshop.

 

Err, since it's a third quarter report and GW2 didn't release until the end of August, that's pretty much September only. Looks pretty good for one month to me. Q4 will really tell the tale though.

Most sales occur at release and decline, especially true for a game hyped to the max Pre-release.

  Larsa

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11/07/12 1:17:23 PM#25

Strange, something doesn't add-up in the table from the OP. Where is the revenue from pre-purchases? I think pre-purchases had been available far before Q3, but the table shows nothing for Q1 and Q2 for GW2.

 

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  tom_gore

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11/07/12 1:17:47 PM#26

You have to realize that the publisher only takes about 50% of the box price of the game if we are talking about a physical copy. So if the game is sitting at 50€ at the shelf, the publisher takes home about 25-30€ minus tax, which ends up at about 20-25€ net per game sold.

For direct digital copies they of course net the full amount minus tax and for indirect digital sales I would assume they take home about 75% minus tax.

 

  RefMinor

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11/07/12 1:19:49 PM#27
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by Zeus.CM
]By that time, expasion will come that require full box price.


Really? And when is the expansion coming out? Because you obviously know.

 


$42 million would mean less than 700,000 copies sold. And thats not including any gems sales.

But also didnt see when the period ended. So, this might only account for a couple days.


But from the press release and subsequent sales data we can figure that GW2 is definitely over 2.5 million in sales.


With that in mind the 4th quarter will obviously be much bigger for Guild Wars 2. So I cant wait for the posts exclaiming "see! GW2 is growing! Haters and trolls proven wrong!"


We wont get a hint at how GW2 will perform long term until 1st quarter 2013 and 2nd quarter 2013.

 

Ncsoft does not get $60 a box how many times is this mistake going to happen? and the period ended Sept 30th just divide 12 by 3 and count the months to get which quarter it is, its that simple.

I won't be looking up the source I used before anyone asks, do your own search, but when I looked at this whilst discussing SWTOR I read that the publisher gets around 25-35$ for a 60$ game.

  RizelStar

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11/07/12 1:22:53 PM#28
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

AS far as GW2 goes, the improtant thing is to see how much they gross from the gem store every month.

If we judge by the GW2 fans here who insist it's B2P and they don't need to buy Gems then it will not break the bank.

To be fair and yes realistic, you dont need to buy gems, now want on the other hand is a different story.

 

 

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  Omnifish

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11/07/12 1:23:21 PM#29
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Dalano
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
Doesn't look very impressive for a super anticipated AAA mmo that just launched. Being B2P means that it has already returned most of its revenue to the company. I mean, it's less money than AION made on the first quarter this same year. I'm looking forward to see the next quarter, when no more boxes are being sold and they'll only make profit from those that still keep playing and use use the gemshop.

 

Err, since it's a third quarter report and GW2 didn't release until the end of August, that's pretty much September only. Looks pretty good for one month to me. Q4 will really tell the tale though.

Most sales occur at release and decline, especially true for a game hyped to the max Pre-release.

Also I would hazzard a guess that most people prepurchsed for the full amount and that would be included in Q3.

Could be wrong of course, but the bangwagon was at it's strongest in the summer months after the prepurchase became avaliable.  Generally most MMO's don't grow beyond the release date.

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  eyelolled

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11/07/12 1:24:56 PM#30

How can we be certain that this is a legitimate press release? I looked at the website for NCSoft Global under the Press Release section and there is nothing about this at al

http://global.ncsoft.com/global/board/boardlist.aspx?BID=mc_press

 

 

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  Giddian

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11/07/12 1:26:17 PM#31
Originally posted by Xasapis
Looks like Blade & Soul is doing better than GW2, considering that it's only available in Korea.

Are you reading the Same thing I am?

GW2  45,841

B&S   32,662

 

GW2 has 13,179 More. How is B&S doing Better?

  FrodoFragins

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11/07/12 1:26:39 PM#32
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

AS far as GW2 goes, the improtant thing is to see how much they gross from the gem store every month.

If we judge by the GW2 fans here who insist it's B2P and they don't need to buy Gems then it will not break the bank.

That wasn't really my point.  I never spent cash but I did buy gems for gold.  if that outlet wasn't available I still wouldn't have bought gems for cash.  At least not with the game in its current state.

 

ANET absolutely has to make money from selling gems for cash.  I don't see it as an evil or bad model at all.  I wouldn't have been able to buy gems for gold if people weren't spending cash.

  jondifool

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11/07/12 1:27:53 PM#33

ok this is for sure strange numbers!

We know that GW2 fansites told that 13 september did GW2 break the 2 mill mark. with further sales added  and gemstore  money and digital sales as well as special editions, there is no way that the 42 mill earnings in Q3 can reflect all that.

The only way thesse numbers make sense is if alot of the box sales from stores havent been included yet.

 

 

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  Omnifish

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11/07/12 1:28:29 PM#34
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by Zeus.CM
]By that time, expasion will come that require full box price.


Really? And when is the expansion coming out? Because you obviously know.

 


$42 million would mean less than 700,000 copies sold. And thats not including any gems sales.

But also didnt see when the period ended. So, this might only account for a couple days.


But from the press release and subsequent sales data we can figure that GW2 is definitely over 2.5 million in sales.


With that in mind the 4th quarter will obviously be much bigger for Guild Wars 2. So I cant wait for the posts exclaiming "see! GW2 is growing! Haters and trolls proven wrong!"


We wont get a hint at how GW2 will perform long term until 1st quarter 2013 and 2nd quarter 2013.

 

Ncsoft does not get $60 a box how many times is this mistake going to happen? and the period ended Sept 30th just divide 12 by 3 and count the months to get which quarter it is, its that simple.

If it's a digital sale from their own online shop they'll get more then the usual half the publisher gets traditionaly, (the other half going to distrubtors, packaging, merchants etc).

Will the get the full amount on a digital sale? No, there's server/storage costs to consider which are considerable.  Still it's an attractive deal to most publishers as they see more of the money then from a box game.  I'd think most people purchased from the online store but that's more of a feeling based on peoples reactions here and other forums.  I have no real proof but it would be great to see those figures to confirm :D

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  cybertrucker

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11/07/12 1:29:40 PM#35
Actually that seems about right. 30% profit margin is actually good. Once you consider all the costs. Production,  packaging, payrolls and shipping distribution. Which is my personal business.
  Pivotelite

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11/07/12 1:30:20 PM#36
Originally posted by QSatu
And what are the chances of B&S doing amazing in the west? gW2 isn't released in Korea or China either so we can pretend if it were the sales would be much higher. We can talk like that all day and we would be wasting our time.

 Well GW2 is pretty much in Korea... my server is like 50% Koreans. The talk in Lions arch, WvW, area, the mists, outside of dungeons, Korean text everywhere.

 

@Giddion - South Korea has a population of 46million and you need a Korean friend to give you a code to even manage to play games in Korea, GW2 is sold in all of North America and Europe as well as being accessible to anyone from any country, hence why half of my server speaks Korean.

 

If they released Blade and Soul globally the profits probably would have easily exceeded GW2, I think that's what Xasapis was getting at.

  BizkitNL

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11/07/12 1:30:34 PM#37
Originally posted by Giddian
Originally posted by Xasapis
Looks like Blade & Soul is doing better than GW2, considering that it's only available in Korea.

Are you reading the Same thing I am?

GW2  45,841

B&S   32,662

 

GW2 has 13,179 More. How is B&S doing Better?

I'm guessing the "only available in Korea" part, vs GW2 in US, EU and whatnot.

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  botrytis

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11/07/12 1:32:19 PM#38
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Giddian
Originally posted by Xasapis
Looks like Blade & Soul is doing better than GW2, considering that it's only available in Korea.

Are you reading the Same thing I am?

GW2  45,841

B&S   32,662

 

GW2 has 13,179 More. How is B&S doing Better?

I'm guessing the "only available in Korea" part, vs GW2 in US, EU and whatnot.

B&S has a CS and a sub also.

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  bcbully

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11/07/12 1:32:34 PM#39

Well I can't see any other quarter looking better than this first one for GW2.

 

42 million aint bad, that's for sure. I know a couple other companies that would have loved to hit that mark over one month, but this really begs to question what the development cost was, and what is the development cost of the next expansion. If we get some of those numbers, (we won't) we'd get a good look at what could be expected in terms of free content, in the months to come. 

 

Interesting indeed. I wonder what's going to happen with the cash shop.

 

 

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11/07/12 1:35:05 PM#40
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Giddian
Originally posted by Xasapis
Looks like Blade & Soul is doing better than GW2, considering that it's only available in Korea.

Are you reading the Same thing I am?

GW2  45,841

B&S   32,662

 

GW2 has 13,179 More. How is B&S doing Better?

I'm guessing the "only available in Korea" part, vs GW2 in US, EU and whatnot.

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